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Hi everyone --

I'm from Florida, and am in the process of getting geared up for nugget shooting in Arizona...short trips during good weather.  I'll be using a modded 4500, with perhaps a 17x13 coil.  I'm having trouble finding ground ahead of time (open BLM or club claims) where I'll have a bit of an advantage, which will be on deeper targets, generally speaking.  (Seems like a lot of folks have machines that shine in shallow ground and bedrock, but those spots have been pounded hard.)  I found the webpage for Rich Hill Gold Hunters, who apparently have 42 claims in the Devil's Nest area.  It's $300 annually, not a huge amount, but certainly more than other clubs.  I wouldn't mind paying that much (or even more), if members were still having pretty good success.

Anyone here have experience on these claims, or know of someone who has?  Anyone know these folks personally, or know of them?  Thanks a ton!

-Bruce

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Welcome to the forum Bruce. :D

Gosh ... Rich Hill Gold Hunters. That goes back almost 20 years. That was the name of Elly's club before 24K. There is no such club anymore hasn't been since 2005 or so.

I think a lot of people might suggest Roadrunners prospector club. They have several claims in the rich hill area as well as quite a few others around the state. Hopefully others will have suggestions for you.

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20 minutes ago, pondmn said:

Elie brings back memories.....She filed as a LLC and then folded shortly after she got our money

Yep, the 24K Club was shut down but not before I found this 57 gram whopper and a few other hefty chunks on dozer pushes
Those were good times!
 

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Part of the reason I was asking this question, is I was just watching a recent series of videos on the American Gold Prospectors channel (on YT), where Bryan Wilder was being escorted around Rich Hill by Devil's Nest part-owner Toby Walker as they swung their machines.  It sounded like there might be a possibility of allowing folks out there, but I guess it was just an opportunity to make a couple of videos.  He said in the six years he's owned his GPZ7000, he's recovered fifteen pounds from Devil's Nest!

Nice ones, Dakota Slim!  I hope I'm as fortunate someday!

-Bruce

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THere’s a couple of clubs that are supposed to have or recently had some claims out there.

The AMRA had a claim there a coupe years ago whenI was a member.  Could still be active.  The LDMA campground there has a few acres you can detect on dry wash on for a fee.  I am a GPAA member and the LDMA opened it up for us.  The LDMA also has claims that are supposed to be on the hill.  

The GPAA does not have a claim, but it has one a couple miles from the hill with Weaver creek running through the corner that I went to last year.

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Thanks for the tip about AMRA, chrisski.  I went to their website, and it looks like they still have the Rich Hill claim...I watched a video from 2016 when they poked around there with metal detectors and got skunked.  I couldn't tell which side of the hill they were on relative to Devil's Nest, though.

Do I recall some controversy a few years back with Shannon, and members' funds?  Can't remember any details.

I was a member of GPAA a couple of times, going way back.  I checked their current claims, and compared it against a claims guide from twenty years ago...they've lost a lot of good ground!  Also perhaps finding that some of their claims are possibly staked on top of others?  Maybe I'm getting poor info.

-Bruce

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5 hours ago, bcfromfl said:

Also perhaps finding that some of their claims are possibly staked on top of others? 

The GPAA does lease claims form members and they do check them prior to signing the lease.  If you PM the name of the claim, if its the two or three in Maricopa County I have looked at, I will tell you what I see.

5 hours ago, bcfromfl said:

Do I recall some controversy a few years back with Shannon, and members' funds? 

I don’t know about that and I thought he was still active.  What did happen was some thought he went way overboard with trying to keep dredging open and his protests: 

 

5 hours ago, bcfromfl said:

I couldn't tell which side of the hill they were on relative to Devil's Nest, though.

Not familiar with Devil’s Nest, but the AMRA claim is on the west side of Rich Hill overlooking the LDMA campground.  Supposed to be the good side of the mountain.

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6 minutes ago, Dakota Slim said:

Any discussion of Rich Hill should include the Octave Mine which is a stone's throw to the east...

 

http://beehivemine.com/

Last I heard the property was listed for sale at $4,200,000. Been listed for 15 - 20 years with no buyers. I know what they paid for it and they'll make a killing if it ever gets sold.

 

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Here's a 3d interactive map with the Rich Hill mines. I made this a few years ago.

It's pretty big and will take a while to load in your browser window but you can move around the hill and zoom in and out quickly once it loads.

Click on a mine location to get a window with more information on the mine.

If you type an "L" you can turn off the mine labels.

DO NOT TYPE "r" if you get dizzy on a merry go round.

http://www.mylandmatters.org/3D/RH2.html

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Super!  Thank you, Clay -- very interesting!  I thought Devil's Nest was on the west side, but I see now how the hill collapsed.

You know, this brings up another thing I have trouble with, and that's claim maps.  Because of the way the system is set up, there's no way to see a complex view of claims per township and range...wish there was such a critter!  It would sure make things easier to see if there might be open ground somewhere in-between all the registered claims!  I'm just not well-versed enough, or smart enough, to work my way through all the individual county recorder's offices, etc., etc.  In this day and age of the internet, and complex software, it seems like all the county recorders could upload maps to a centralized source for an overlay map, or perhaps even GPS locations of boundary markers and let software draw the maps.

Guess my best bet is a club...

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2 hours ago, bcfromfl said:

You know, this brings up another thing I have trouble with, and that's claim maps.  Because of the way the system is set up, there's no way to see a complex view of claims per township and range...wish there was such a critter!  It would sure make things easier to see if there might be open ground somewhere in-between all the registered claims!  I'm just not well-versed enough, or smart enough, to work my way through all the individual county recorder's offices, etc., etc.  In this day and age of the internet, and complex software, it seems like all the county recorders could upload maps to a centralized source for an overlay map, or perhaps even GPS locations of boundary markers and let software draw the maps.

It’s been near 20 years since I gave up my claim on the middle fork of the American river because of the dredging moratorium, but unless the laws have changed, the rules are pretty clear about what is required to maintain a legal claim…check with the state on the requirements for maintaining a claim… I remember everybody here jumping me about the requirements for both filing and maintaining a valid claim…. Here’s a link to the blm https://www.blm.gov/programs/energy-and-minerals/mining-and-minerals/locatable-minerals/mining-claims/staking-a-claim

 What I’ve always done is steer clear of any property with ANY sign of being claimed but if there are no indications it’s an active claim I feel free to go about my business…

Other areas may be different, but the local sheriffs around here won’t get involved unless it gets physical or violent….I’ve been told that until other issues come into play, law enforcement considers it a civil matter

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13 hours ago, middleforkminer2 said:

It’s been near 20 years since I gave up my claim on the middle fork of the American river because of the dredging moratorium, but unless the laws have changed, the rules are pretty clear about what is required to maintain a legal claim…check with the state on the requirements for maintaining a claim… I remember everybody here jumping me about the requirements for both filing and maintaining a valid claim…. Here’s a link to the blm https://www.blm.gov/programs/energy-and-minerals/mining-and-minerals/locatable-minerals/mining-claims/staking-a-claim

 What I’ve always done is steer clear of any property with ANY sign of being claimed but if there are no indications it’s an active claim I feel free to go about my business…

Other areas may be different, but the local sheriffs around here won’t get involved unless it gets physical or violent….I’ve been told that until other issues come into play, law enforcement considers it a civil matter

There has been lots of discussion on this forum about this topic over the years. As you say, unless other issues come into play it is a civil matter.
I don't know the gory details but civil suits as well as some of those other issues have come up quite a few times in the Rich Hill area. One involved a public road that was deemed to be on the Octave property. Another involved Angel's Ranch Road.
I haven't been back there in 10 years or more. Maybe someone can fill us in on the current status of access roads. 
Decision Corner was always a popular place for camping but there was also a question about ownership for some of the land there.

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14 minutes ago, Dakota Slim said:

There has been lots of discussion on this forum about this topic over the years. As you say, unless other issues come into play it is a civil matter.
I don't know the gory details but civil suits as well as some of those other issues have come up quite a few times in the Rich Hill area. One involved a public road that was deemed to be on the Octave property. Another involved Angel's Ranch Road.
I haven't been back there in 10 years or more. Maybe someone can fill us in on the current status of access roads. 
Decision Corner was always a popular place for camping but there was also a question about ownership for some of the land there.

There is no longer any Decision Corner that I know of. Last time I was there...the place was unrecognizable.

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I was there last year, and there is plenty of BLM land to camp on.  Getting on the hill itself for camping would be difficult without knowing land status real well, the private property patented claims could be no go, and the roads no longer look drivable to the peaks.  I can’t remember why, but I do remember the AMRA claim I had planned on driving to from my map and google study, I would have never made it in my pickup.  It’s the same story for any camping on any of the public land by the hill.  It’s just so hilly that you could walk in, but not drive in, at least was my impression from my walks along the west side of the hill.

The GPAA claim by Weaver is next to an active claim, and the road were rough, but the users had hauled a couple of nice fifth wheels down to their claim.  Along the road leading to the LDMA camp, when you exit the highway, there’s all that flat lan to camp on.  Some of that is State Trust.

I would like to go back to the LDMA campground this winter, but not sure that are taking GPAA members or not.  If not, I’d like to try some of the public land.

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Thanks for the boots-on-the-ground report, chrisski!  That's very helpful.  Originally I thought I could get close enough to walk the rest of the way if there was available ground to detect, but I don't yet have a good 4WD vehicle.  Maybe if folks are pulling fifth wheels in there, it would be OK.  Good to know this stuff ahead of time!

-Bruce

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