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1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, new research shows

In roughly three minutes, you can fill the gas tank of a Ford Mustang and have enough range to go about 300 miles with its V8 engine.

But for the electric Mustang Mach-E, an hour plugged into a household outlet gave Bloomberg automotive analyst Kevin Tynan just three miles of range.

https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html

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34 minutes ago, Dakota Slim said:

1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, new research shows

In roughly three minutes, you can fill the gas tank of a Ford Mustang and have enough range to go about 300 miles with its V8 engine.

But for the electric Mustang Mach-E, an hour plugged into a household outlet gave Bloomberg automotive analyst Kevin Tynan just three miles of range.

https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html

Won't make any difference. Gas operated vehicles will become extinct in the coming years and the technology will get better as well.

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If 1 in 5 Californians switched back to gas cars after buying electric cars that means 80% of them stuck with their electric cars.

80% is a mighty strong majority of people. Especially in a culture that revolves around their automobiles.

It would seem that the vast majority of people are happy with their electric vehicles.

Electric cars are great for local driving. As long as they are close to the charger and not pulling an RV in the mountains they work fine. 

As with any battery operated tool we know it takes a while to charge them up. We generally can work around that. But yeah, if the battery goes down we need to recharge and that will take a while. It is definitely a negative aspect of electric vehicles. 

Back when they first started driving cars you had to crank start them. And gasoline was not widely available. Every few hundred miles the bearings wore out and you needed to rebuild the engine. Tires were solid and roads were made for horses.

One in five Californians who purchased a car were dissatisfied and went back to their horse. But 80% of them saw that cars were the future and knew they would quickly improve. Now 80% of Californians were conceived in an automobile.

Today's technology does not suit everyone. For a city dweller that uses an automobile to commute and get groceries they make good sense. They are not a good fit for some lifestyles. One in five Californians might not have considered this when buying an electric vehicle. One in five Californians might not have the common sense to plug it into the charger at night.

It seems like 80% of Californians who buy electric cars are making it work. The other 20% will figure it out sooner or later. There are always the slow ones that need a little extra help adjusting to our rapidly changing world.

Five years from now the charging times will be a fraction of what they are now. And motors will run much longer on fewer electrons. Four out of five Californians who buy electric vehicles seem to realize this.

 

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The 80% who kept their electric powered cars represent less than 1% of all California vehicles. Worldwide the figure for electric vehicle use is 2.5%. California has about 45% of the registered electric vehicles in the United States. More than half those EVs are in Los Angeles. Doing the math will tell you that nearly a quarter of all electric vehicle owners in the United States are in Los Angeles. So far they haven't been seen as a viable alternative by the vast majority of car buyers.

California , in particular, has severe systemic electric power generation and distribution problems. They have been unable to provide even household electric power on a consistent basis over the last several years and by all accounts their aging electric grid is deteriorating faster that it's being repaired. California at present has 23 auto charging stations per 10,000 electric vehicles.

More than 40% of California electric power is generated from petroleum products. If California didn't have all those hydroelectric dams the figure would be much higher. That's the same electricity used by "zero emission" electric vehicles.  Electric vehicle owners may not have to handle petroleum products directly but their vehicles are still dependent on burning petroleum fuels to drive down the road. Even though electric cars are generally regarded as more environmentally neutral the fact is between the manufacturing and power generation costs modern electric cars generate more pollution over their planned lifetime (10 years / 100,000 miles for electric) than a properly tuned 40 year old gas junker does.

It's important to understand that the production of new cars uses more energy than the car will consume in motive power during it's designed lifetime. This is true whether the car is electric or gas powered.

We've got a long way to go to all electric vehicles. Several problems need to be solved before they can be a viable option for most vehicle owners. This will change in time but so will all the other existing and future technologies. If you want to know whether electric vehicles will ever become the standard for personal transportation in this country you will have to stick around, there is no obvious movement to the common use of electric vehicles at present despite the media reports to the contrary.

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Battery tech needs to be more resistant  to cold temperatures.

Just like a Tesla , my Li powered camera isn't worth a darn  in below freezing temperatures. But I can stick the  camera under my coat in my armpit. Try that with an EV.

Gasoline isn't going anywhere. :pop:It only makes sense that BigOil is fighting BigBattery.

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4 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

 

80%(( :inocent:of the people that buy EV's)) is a mighty strong majority of people.

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We do have the most registrations ,by state, of EV's. The number pales  though. compared to non-EV registrations, as clay pointed out.

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I bet many more would have sold their electric cars if it wasn't for the rapid depreciation on their new vehicles.  |
Others no doubt just suck it up and act like the recharging process isn't a problem when it is a problem. 
"Oh sure, I can just get a ride from someone else if my batteries aren't charged enough."

My point in posting this is one should consider all aspects of owning a vehicle before taking the plunge. 

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24 minutes ago, Bedrock Bob said:

 Electric vehicles suck. Only a stupid person would buy one.

Pretty much, though there're always those  that carry the water when newer technology   hits the market. Gotta keep up with the Jones'

When they can get the energy density  of the batteries to compare  to that of gasoline, (as well as a refueling rate), they'll have a winner.

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2 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

 Electric vehicles suck. Only a stupid person would buy one.

That's linear thinking, your (now gaseous traprock) bedrockedness , roflol:-))

It has its niches. I think the Port of The Angels@Long Beach  has deployed   EV terminal  tractors on a trial basis. .. As well as hydrogen fuel cell tractors.

Cash for clunkers is circling back:tisk-tisk:

https://www.westernjournal.com/biden-proposes-program-100x-bad-infamous-cash-clunkers-debacle/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=newsletter-CT&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=conservative-tribune

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3 hours ago, Stillweaver hillbelli said:

http://www.menloenergy.com/?p=535

Getting an add for Dakota Lithium batteries at the top of the forum:reading:

"Using a 208-volt charger, the Volt takes about 4 hours to fill its battery; 7.5 hours for the Leaf. On a typical household voltage levels, the charge times will be closer to 10 and 20 hours, respectively; roughly 48 hours to fully charge the Tesla’s batteries."

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4 hours ago, Caliche Chris said:

There’s also hybrid electric cars that use both gas and electric and don’t require a charging station of any kind. I don’t know how they rate as far as being economical or sensible to mass produce them. 

The Prius is a good car. I know several people who drive them. 

They get great mileage and they aren't terribly expensive. There are a few hybrid delivery vans around town too. 

The next step in the hybrid engineering should be to generate power with braking force. Like a locomotive. Instead of friction at the brake pads stopping you a generator stops the vehicle and charges a battery in the process. 

The designs for hybrid semi tractors use braking to charge the batteries. The vehicle runs on diesel with electric assist when cruising on the highway. But when parking and maneuvering can be switched to all electric power.  It seems like a great idea to me. Especially in big lots and warehouses where the noise and diesel exhaust can get bad.

Most locomotives are electric. Those diesel engines run generators that power electric motors. It makes good sense to do it that way when starting and stopping huge payloads. It seems to make good sense for semi trucks too. It won't be too long before delivery vans are fuel generated electric vehicles too.

Electric forklifts have been around for a long time. The charging station is a bit of a pain but hundreds of thousands of electric tractors are in service. Any type of equipment that utilizes hydraulics for accessories or locomotion is well adapted to electric motors.

Electric powered hydraulic drive farm tractors and forklifts are very popular. As long as you don't need the gearing to accelerate to highway speeds electric equipment can be less expensive to produce and operate.

Ford just said they expect to produce nothing but electric vehicles within the next ten years. They stopped production of all passenger cars except the mustang last year. They are in the process of re tooling and designing completely new vehicles around electric motors.

Even the petroleum companies are positioning themselves for a transition to electric vehicles. They anticipate they will do much more generation with natural gas turbines and produce much less gasoline. 

When the auto manufacturers and the oil companies start changing their business model to adapt to this changing technology you can bet it is where we are headed. There is no doubt electricity will power much of the vehicles and equipment in the future. And hydrocarbons will play a much different role than they do now.

 

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My wifes TDI Jetta gets 41 miles to the gallon. Awesome for traveling baseball tournaments! I think we will stick with it.

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