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Ok this topic should of never been allowed because this is the Prospector's Lounge, this topic has nothing to do with prospecting...but we have allowed other "off topic" topics to be posted in this se

Before i went to Vietnam, my company lined up and we went through a gontlet, shots with an air injector in both arms, I think we got around 6 shots all on the same day, for different thing, Never hurt

Ok so i have a cure for this thread!!!! If you want the vaccine get it!! If you dont want it, dont get it!! See, cleared that up in 4 sentences not 12 pages. Wow!

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28 minutes ago, Stillweaver hillbelli said:

So can zinc:Diggin_a_hole:

Possibly. But it won't give you a sexy antibody. And that is the whole point of getting the vaccine.

I know it is confusing for you. Just try to focus on the topic when your mind starts wandering.

Maybe a hand full of seaweed pills will help with your attention span?

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21 hours ago, Stillweaver hillbelli said:

So can zinc:Diggin_a_hole:

IIRC, wasn’t President Trump on a regimen of quinine and zinc?....... He’s lucky he was president at the time and was able to get the monoclonal antibody treatment in time to have it work....

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12 minutes ago, middleforkminer2 said:

IIRC, wasn’t President Trump on a regimen of quinine and zinc?.......

Hydroxychloroquine sulfate, I guess is the laboratory  version of quinine.yes. 

..."Quinine is a quinidine alkaloid isolated from the bark of the cinchona tree."...

Don't know if he was also popping.       Zn pills, in their many forms  ,or eating tons of oysters. The devil's in the dosage.  Either way:89:               

One Zn pill,gummy, throat lozenge, chewable   etc.  ,can have up to 50 mg of zinc (in some compound form).  Any more than that, daily, well, bears further cautious investigation.  

:reading:Living near a glass factory, in some cases, has lead to high levels of zinc  in the soil (farmland) downwind.

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1 hour ago, middleforkminer2 said:

IIRC, wasn’t President Trump on a regimen of quinine and zinc?....... He’s lucky he was president at the time and was able to get the monoclonal antibody treatment in time to have it work....

He said publicly that he had taken hydroxychloroquine. I did not hear any reports of him taking quinine. While the two drugs share some similarities they are completely different drugs and have completely different pharmacological properties. Hydroxychloroquine is not synthetic quinine nor is it an analog. It is a completely different molecule.

The monoclonal antibody treatment should have been rolled out with the vaccine. They made the drug available but did not support the system to administer it (much like the vaccine). That made it very difficult to get the treatment (as well as the vaccine) until the logistics problems were ironed out.

The drugs are widely available but the treatment is still difficult to get. Not many hospitals have been able to set up a program.

In my community there is no option for monoclonal antibodies. A person can get the treatment but they must travel for it. And the route to get accepted for the treatment is confusing. 

It is a simple process but something that just hasn't been fully developed yet. The local hospitals say that now things are more manageable with the number of critical cases that they will designate staff and space to begin treatments. 

While there is no evidence that hydroxychloroquine or quinine prevent the disease there is some anecdotal evidence that HC (not quinine) may help keep your immune system from complicating things if you get sick. But since there are several other treatments that work much better and have fewer negative side effects the HC is simply not used in treatment.

They are getting good at saving lives with this virus. In the first six months we had a 4% mortality rate in New Mexico. Now we are down to about 2%. There are a lot of factors involved in the decline but doctors are figuring out how to treat the disease more successfully.

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Back in the dark time of American history we were ruled by an evil emperor who demanded that carved stone poodles be erected to mark rich quinine deposits. 

Since that time rumors and urban legends have persisted that the ANTIFA and BLM were plotting to take control of the quinine mines.

While there is anecdotal evidence that some outcroppings may resemble poodles when the viewer is stoned on mind expanding drugs, there is no evidence that the emperor had a brain much less an abnormal one.

So whether or not zinc was present in the fourty five gallons of spray tan purchased with American tax dollars is irrelevant. We know that it was in the chickpeas because he would never have a garbanzo on his face.

With all this considered it is difficult to say whether hydroxychloroquine helps at all. In controlled tests it does not seem to give any theraputic benefits.

Still there are a few three handled post hole diggers that swear hydrochloroquine is beneficial in the treatment of a Chinese disease that is not that serious anyway and may not even exist. But more studies should be done before believing in documented facts and science.

If you want to eat a hand full of hydroxychloroquine there is always a stone poodle that will sell you some. And if you close your eyes real tight and really REALLY believe it will help you it probably will.

But we can, if we choose, sidestep this whole pile of Spanish mortar and get ourselves the Fauci Ouchie. Anything else is like tossing your garbanzos into the wind and hoping chickpeas will fly back and hit you in the face.

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For all I know, maybe it’s the tart cherry juice that’s kept me from catching the bug....I know for sure that it works really good at keeping my knees semi limber....

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56 minutes ago, middleforkminer2 said:

For all I know, maybe it’s the tart cherry juice that’s kept me from catching the bug....I know for sure that it works really good at keeping my knees semi limber....

Have you tried cranberry juice? I swear that ibuprofen and cranberry juice has kept me moving for the last ten years.

Strong lemonade and tart cherries are good too. But my mother swears by cranberries and there is definitely something to it.

Having a thick coating of tobacco juice on your mucous membranes will keep you from getting covid. Im sure of it. The nicotine will kill any pathogen that lands near it. A wad of Copenhagen is 68% more effective than disinfectants and lights inside the body according to John's Hopkins research.

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9 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

Back in the dark time of American history we were ruled by an evil emperor who demanded that carved stone poodles be erected to mark rich quinine deposits. 

Since that time rumors and urban legends have persisted that the ANTIFA and BLM were plotting to take control of the quinine mines.

While there is anecdotal evidence that some outcroppings may resemble poodles when the viewer is stoned on mind expanding drugs, there is no evidence that the emperor had a brain much less an abnormal one.

So whether or not zinc was present in the fourty five gallons of spray tan purchased with American tax dollars is irrelevant. We know that it was in the chickpeas because he would never have a garbanzo on his face.

With all this considered it is difficult to say whether hydroxychloroquine helps at all. In controlled tests it does not seem to give any theraputic benefits.

Still there are a few three handled post hole diggers that swear hydrochloroquine is beneficial in the treatment of a Chinese disease that is not that serious anyway and may not even exist. But more studies should be done before believing in documented facts and science.

If you want to eat a hand full of hydroxychloroquine there is always a stone poodle that will sell you some. And if you close your eyes real tight and really REALLY believe it will help you it probably will.

But we can, if we choose, sidestep this whole pile of Spanish mortar and get ourselves the Fauci Ouchie. Anything else is like tossing your garbanzos into the wind and hoping chickpeas will fly back and hit you in the face.

Some of your best balderdash and hogswallop:25r30wi:

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21 hours ago, Stillweaver hillbelli said:

1700 cases - no deaths

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"...Local El Centro Doctor speaks on behalf of HCQ cocktail

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IMPERIAL COUNTY — Several doctors and medical professionals around the country — and even the world — have come face-to-face with how best to treat their COVID-19 patients, many relying on hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and an antibiotic — known commonly as the HCQ cocktail. Many doctors have spoken out against those who would deny the effectiveness of the cocktail, including National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Dr. Brian Tyson — who practices family medicine at All Valley Urgent Care in El Centro — appeared on KUSI News to discuss the use and effectiveness of the HCQ cocktail to treat COVID-19 patients.

 

Tyson referred to six different studies showing positive results for COVID patients with the use of hydroxychloroquine.

 

“I say listen to the doctors who have been taking care of the patients. We’re the ones on the front line. We’re the ones who see the patients. We’re the ones who prescribe the medication. We’re the ones who follow up those results,” said Tyson. “When you start listening to the doctors on the front lines who have been taking care of these patients personally, you’re going to hear a whole different story than what the researchers are suggesting behind the screens and behind the statistics from wherever they decide to get their statistics from.”

According to Tyson, he has treated more than 1,700 COVID patients, most of which received the controversial cocktail. The drug is not prescribed for pregnant patients or children within a certain age range. He claims the mortality rate for COVID-19 at the only level one urgent care facility in El Centro is zero.

 

Tyson has seen patients from 11-months-old up to 88-years-old. He has treated patients with and without symptoms, pregnant patients, and patients with a range of severity.

Additionally, he explained his patients range from a wide variety of demographics and different sectors of the workforce — including farmworkers, border patrol agents, food industry employees, personnel from correction facilities, and more. He also said the urgent care facility sees a lot of patients that live in Mexicali but work in the United States and have to travel across the border on a daily basis.

“All of our patients went through a full evaluation by practitioners. Once they had that evaluation, we decided whether or not the triple therapy would be prescribed for them. Under all of those cases, every single one of those patients that has been treated, has recovered,” said Tyson...."

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17 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

 

But we can, if we choose, sidestep this whole pile of Spanish mortar and get ourselves the Fauci Ouchie. 

1700 survivors out of 1700 cases ,using the HCQ cocktail  , also think this is hogswallop(which is an order of magnitude above codswallop.)

 

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17 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

Anything else is like tossing your garbanzos into the wind and hoping chickpeas will fly back and hit you in the face.

They would-everytime. They're synonymous. 

Your  hogswallopery needs improvement.

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1 hour ago, Stillweaver hillbelli said:

1700 survivors out of 1700 cases ,using the HCQ cocktail  , also think this is hogswallop(which is an order of magnitude above codswallop.)

 

Balderdash...

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5 hours ago, Stillweaver hillbelli said:

 

“All of our patients went through a full evaluation by practitioners. Once they had that evaluation, we decided whether or not the triple therapy would be prescribed for them. Under all of those cases, every single one of those patients that has been treated, has recovered,” said Tyson...."

This is not how you do a study on the effectiveness of a treatment. You don't select the 1700 people that are least likely to die and then tout the survival rate of the treatment because none of them died.

There are many treatments that have shown to help covid patients in certain situations. There is no doubt that medical care of any kind increases survival rate. But only those treatments that are shown to actually affect the progression of the disease are accepted treatments.

There are effective treatments for covid. No doubt others will be developed. Hydroxyeweaver Sulfabilly may be proven to be one of them.  But until it is scientifically proven in actual studies it will not be accepted as science. And scientific studies at this point conflict with the opinions of many doctors in the field.

Our medical people are getting good at this stuff. They have had LOTS of practice in the past year. They have tried all sorts of techniques and drugs and many of them seem to help in the fight.

If I was sick and there was a doctor that suggested a fat Hilldroxystillbeaverine and Zithrobullshit cocktail I would take it. Then I would steal someone else's and take that. Then I would sweet talk the nurse into giving me another and I would take that one too.

I would do that because a person that I trust that has education and experience told me it was the best therapy for my situation. Not because political and social motivations tell me that the treatment is part of some Byzantine lattice work of conspiracy designed to enslave the populace. 

Hydrobilly Sulfaweaver is being used widely simply because so many patients are demanding it. If it is some sort of miracle cure that will prevent death or serious disease we are going to see that. The same goes for other treatments. By the time this thing is a couple years old we will know exactly what works and what doesn't.

While we are learning about treatments we are also learning about prevention. We have figured out we don't have a whole lot to worry about outside as long as we don't get in each others faces.  We learned that it is not spread so much by touch and regular hand washing is all we really need to worry about. We have learned that a well fitting cloth mask will prevent most transmission indoors as long as exposure is brief.

 We have modified our lives a little and go about our business a little differently. We have adapted to our new situation. Most of us are responding to nature's call to evolve a bit to adapt to a changing environment. Just like humans have adapted throughout history.

A huge tool in prevention will be the vaccine. Even if only 50% of the population is vaccinated that is half that will never need treatment. And hospital surges will be much more manageable. There probably won't be many shutdowns of business. And people will begin working and spending again so the economy will begin to recover.

This is why prevention is exponentially more important than treatment. At least it is to people who are not sick. Or it should be. 

 

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According to science the most effective preventative and treatment for the COVID-19 virus is rhinovirus (the common cold).

If rhinovirus and Sars-CoV-2 were released at the same time, only rhinovirus is successful. If rhinovirus had a 24-hour head start then Sars-CoV-2 does not get a look in. And even when Sars-CoV-2 had 24-hours to get started, rhinovirus boots it out.

"Sars-CoV-2 never takes off, it is heavily inhibited by rhinovirus," Dr Pablo Murcia told BBC News.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56483445

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2 hours ago, clay said:

According to science the most effective preventative and treatment for the COVID-19 virus is rhinovirus (the common cold).

If rhinovirus and Sars-CoV-2 were released at the same time, only rhinovirus is successful. If rhinovirus had a 24-hour head start then Sars-CoV-2 does not get a look in. And even when Sars-CoV-2 had 24-hours to get started, rhinovirus boots it out.

"Sars-CoV-2 never takes off, it is heavily inhibited by rhinovirus," Dr Pablo Murcia told BBC News.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56483445

How is this an effective treatment?

 How Do you release rhinovirus 24 hours before exposure to covid?

It is pretty clear that infection with certain virus or bacteria will limit the ability of covid to take hold. But how you translate that into an effective treatment is a different story. 

Getting a vaccine seems to be a lot easier than infecting myself with rhinovirus 24 hours before I go to Wal Mart. 

It's a cool fact and a therapy may be developed from studying it. But knowing that rhinovirus inhibits covid is a long way from an effective preventative or treatment. So far they have simply identified a powerful competitor virus.

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I got the second shot this morning. What a releif. It has been a long road. 

My arm is super sore. I can barely lift it. That Moderna snake venom is wicked stuff for sure. I can feel it in my neck and in my ribs on the left side. It feels like I have been in a fight.

I'm sure the next day or two is going to be lazy although I will be very busy on a cellular level.

 

 

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Oh great i just got my first first shot of Moderna this morning, did you have a month between shots? That's what we have until the dreaded second shot. :cry2:

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3 hours ago, hardtimehermit said:

Oh great i just got my first first shot of Moderna this morning, did you have a month between shots? That's what we have until the dreaded second shot. :cry2:

Yup. 28 days I think. 

It's not too bad so far. About 9 hours and just a sore arm. Maybe a little droopy. We will see what tomorrow brings.

My daughter in law was the only person I know that had it rough so far. She was sick for a day and half groggy for another. Everyone else it has been a sore arm and tired. 

It sure beats a seaweed diet. Or infecting yourself with rhinovirus before you go to the casino. And it beats the heck out of getting sick and surviving because they shot you up with hydroxchloroquine and zithromax to save you.

Besides, im looking forward to a psychic relationship with Gates and Soros. Those guys are real businessmen. Maybe they will control my mind better than I can.

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On 3/25/2021 at 1:45 PM, Bedrock Bob said:

How is this an effective treatment?

 How Do you release rhinovirus 24 hours before exposure to covid?

It is pretty clear that infection with certain virus or bacteria will limit the ability of covid to take hold. But how you translate that into an effective treatment is a different story. 

Getting a vaccine seems to be a lot easier than infecting myself with rhinovirus 24 hours before I go to Wal Mart. 

It's a cool fact and a therapy may be developed from studying it. But knowing that rhinovirus inhibits covid is a long way from an effective preventative or treatment. So far they have simply identified a powerful competitor virus.

 

The science says:

"And even when Sars-CoV-2 had 24-hours to get started, rhinovirus boots it out. "

If you read the article it's clear there is no need to have a common cold infection before infection with SARS-2. In effect the common cold is a cure for SARS-2 infections.

How that can be turned into a treatment is pretty obvious. Just share a lolly pop with someone with the common cold - or if you want to be sciencey about it you could inoculate SARS-2 positive individuals with rhinovirus. In effect the study discovered rhinovirus is a preexisting vaccine.

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However, Covid would be able to cause an infection again once the cold had passed and the immune response calmed down.

Dr Murcia said: "Vaccination, plus hygiene measures, plus the interactions between viruses could lower the incidence of Sars-CoV-2 heavily, but the maximum effect will come from vaccination."

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