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7 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

Actually the dependence on oil is hurting oil producing States. We depend on it but we don't control the price. The net result has not been good. 

New mexico is rapidly diversifying and investing in renewables. It has paid off well this year because of low oil prices.

It is great that Obama supported domestic production and we became the number one producer under his administration. But completely relying on that domestic production has not panned out so well.

Royalties from metals mining would help offset the drain mining causes on the local economies and would help offset losses from oil. So I support royalties as well as renewables. 

The oil companies should pay more too. The negative impacts from the industry have just about offset the gains in our State for several years. And the fact that they are nearly impossible to regulate just makes things worse. We have a rich history of mining and oil disasters here but have very little to show for it. I think they should be held to the letter of the law and get out of local and regional politics. 

Don't worry Bob. If Biden wins he will raise taxes. Unfortunately, as a result, more businesses will close and those which survive will have to pass the tax increase on to the consumer. The decrease in economic activity will keep demand for oil low so it's great that your state is rapidly diversifying and investing in renewables.
Why should the miners and oil producers in your state get out of politics? 

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Personally, I'd like it if the government quit raising taxes, quit dreaming of ways -- like this royalties scheme -- to milk more money out of Americans and cut about 1/2 of the bureaucrats out of gov

As we speak there is a mining company that has done just about everything wrong they can out here in Nevada, between Eureka and Ely  off of hwy.50 First they destroyed miles of historic hwy. 40 by hau

They pay royalties to extract oil. Why not minerals?  They pay royalties to the State. To private owners. Why not to the people? Public Land belongs to the people. Corporations who intend to

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1 hour ago, Dakota Slim said:

Don't worry Bob. If Biden wins he will raise taxes. Unfortunately, as a result, more businesses will close and those which survive will have to pass the tax increase on to the consumer. The decrease in economic activity will keep demand for oil low so it's great that your state is rapidly diversifying and investing in renewables.
Why should the miners and oil producers in your state get out of politics? 

Oh it will be great Slim! If Biden wins, he will not only raise taxes on us little people but also on big corporations. Everyone seems to think hey, let's just tax the crap out of the big corporations!! Unfortunately most people dont think about how many jobs those big companies create. Sure tax them big, then watch them shut down and move or or just close the doors forever. Some seem to forget that wages are the top expense for a company and when you tax the crap out of them on top of paying all of the wages, well we all know what happens next. UNEMPLOYMENT!

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One  thing that my father taught me when I was growing up working in his business.  He said "Corporations don't pay taxes, people pay taxes".  No matter what tax is rendered on a business or corporation it will eventually be filtered on down to the consumer in one form or another.  A business must stay above the bottom line if it wants to stay in business.  If a tax is levied on a hamburger joint the cost of your burger goes up.  There are many ways that a corporation can redirect that tax where it winds up in the consumers lap. 

   Old Tom

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So much juicy material.....   :droolin:   The Kool Aid got all drank up and now everyone's got stained lips.  :oregonian_winesmiley:

So ironic when people instantly dismiss valid information because it comes from a 'biased source', then turn around and regurgitate BS from a biased source.  :89:

 

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2 hours ago, Old Tom said:

One  thing that my father taught me when I was growing up working in his business.  He said "Corporations don't pay taxes, people pay taxes".  No matter what tax is rendered on a business or corporation it will eventually be filtered on down to the consumer in one form or another.  A business must stay above the bottom line if it wants to stay in business.  If a tax is levied on a hamburger joint the cost of your burger goes up.  There are many ways that a corporation can redirect that tax where it winds up in the consumers lap. 

   Old Tom

No doubt your father was wise.  Sounds just like something my Grandfather would say.

The thing is, this only applies to consumers.  If I don't consume 'your' product, then I shouldn't have to pay to subsidize 'your' company.  Unless 'you' think socialism is a good idea. (which I'm sure you do not)  If if true capitalism is the best way, then companies should sink or swim on their own merits.

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20 hours ago, LukeJ said:

So much juicy material.....   :droolin:   The Kool Aid got all drank up and now everyone's got stained lips.  :oregonian_winesmiley:

So ironic when people instantly dismiss valid information because it comes from a 'biased source', then turn around and regurgitate BS from a biased source.  :89:

 

It's getting juicier all the time! Trying to dismiss valid information mined from an abandoned laptop? It doesn't get any better than that!

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2 hours ago, Dakota Slim said:

It's getting juicier all the time! Trying to dismiss valid information mined from an abandoned laptop? It doesn't get any better than that!

So you really believe that the president's lawyer sat on this information for the last few months, only to release it 3 weeks before the election?  :25r30wi:

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7 hours ago, LukeJ said:

So you really believe that the president's lawyer sat on this information for the last few months, only to release it 3 weeks before the election?  :25r30wi:

It took time to find all the information and to verify it. The big question is why didn't the FBI bother to do that? They've had it for 10 months!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-william-barr-act-hunter-biden-business-dealings

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7 hours ago, LukeJ said:

So you really believe that the president's lawyer sat on this information for the last few months, only to release it 3 weeks before the election?  :25r30wi:

Getting back to the subject of the royalties these democrats have proposed, it just points to the fact that they want big and intrusive government. How many new bureaucrats would it take to oversee this new source of government income? It would probably cost more than the royalties. The next step for Obamacare was to hire thousands of new IRS agents to audit people to make sure they didn't fudge their taxes to save on their health care tax. 

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2 hours ago, Dakota Slim said:

It took time to find all the information and to verify it. The big question is why didn't the FBI bother to do that? They've had it for 10 months!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-william-barr-act-hunter-biden-business-dealings

They verified the information? Really?

What information did they verify? There does not seem to be anything at all to back up these claims. 

If it took so much time to verify then they must have been working on something. What was it?

So far they just can't back the story up with anything at all. Just a Trump supporter who says he got the info off a laptop with a Biden sticker on it.

That is weak sauce Slim. It didn't take months to "verify" any of this story because no elements of the story have been "verified". It is nothing but a tale for a fairy to help Trump's sinking re-election effort.

I think the Trump supporter who claims to have found the data is getting royalties from the Trump campaign. 

I'm willing to bet the next administration will stop the Trump imposed tariffs that are killing American farmers and consumers. They will stick to their promise to not raise taxes on anyone making under $250k a year. And they will impose royalties on metals mines on public land. 

Tom Udall will be the next Seccy of the Interior. He will be a vast improvement over the hand full of inexperienced clowns that have rotated in and out of the position in the past 4 years. He is going to really tighten the screws on mining and oil. I am willing to bet that metals mines will be forced to pay their fair share for exploiting public land just like the other extraction industries. 

The mining corporations have no problem paying royalties to the States. No problem with royalties on patented land. No problem with royalties in foreign countries. They should not be allowed to stiff the American taxpayer for the destruction of our rapidly dwindling public lands. Their free ride on the backs of taxpayers need to come to an end.

 

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5 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

They verified the information? Really?

What information did they verify? There does not seem to be anything at all to back up these claims. 

If it took so much time to verify then they must have been working on something. What was it?

So far they just can't back the story up with anything at all. Just a Trump supporter who says he got the info off a laptop with a Biden sticker on it.

That is weak sauce Slim. It didn't take months to "verify" any of this story because no elements of the story have been "verified". It is nothing but a tale for a fairy to help Trump's sinking re-election effort.

I think the Trump supporter who claims to have found the data is getting royalties from the Trump campaign. 

I'm willing to bet the next administration will stop the Trump imposed tariffs that are killing American farmers and consumers. They will stick to their promise to not raise taxes on anyone making under $250k a year. And they will impose royalties on metals mines on public land. 

Tom Udall will be the next Seccy of the Interior. He will be a vast improvement over the hand full of inexperienced clowns that have rotated in and out of the position in the past 4 years. He is going to really tighten the screws on mining and oil. I am willing to bet that metals mines will be forced to pay their fair share for exploiting public land just like the other extraction industries. 

The mining corporations have no problem paying royalties to the States. No problem with royalties on patented land. No problem with royalties in foreign countries. They should not be allowed to stiff the American taxpayer for the destruction of our rapidly dwindling public lands. Their free ride on the backs of taxpayers need to come to an end.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dakota Slim said:

 

 

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This topic needs to get back on topic, Biden's son's laptop has nothing to do with mining royalties that the democrats want!!

Some of you are starting to post political campaigning again, needs to stop!!

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I think :idea: your spell check edited a couple words.  I changed it back so it makes more sense now.

30 minutes ago, Au Seeker said:

This topic needs to get back on topic, Biden's son's laptop has nothing to do with mining royalties that the democrats want!!

Slim, you are starting to post political campaigning again, needs to stop!!

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6 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

 

The mining corporations have no problem paying royalties to the States. No problem with royalties on patented land. No problem with royalties in foreign countries. They should not be allowed to stiff the American taxpayer for the destruction of our rapidly dwindling public lands. Their free ride on the backs of taxpayers need to come to an end.

 

So, mining companies ripping off the State on leases ,or in some other fashion, is abad thing?

Are you aware of accusations against Burisma?

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2 minutes ago, Stillweaver hillbelli said:

Are you aware of accusations against Burisma?

Does Burisma mine metals in the United States?

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Burisma is a natural gas holding company registered in Cyprus. They don't mine or drill. They have nothing to do with royalties, mining or anything at all relevant to this topic.

Democrats (and everyone else except followers of the right wing political cult) want royalties from metals mining on public land. It just makes sense that metals mines should share the wealth with the rightful owners of the land. Just like every other form of mining and extraction on every other land status.

Public Land belongs to the people. It is not a free for all for corporations to use for profit. The resources belong to the people and they should be compensated when corporations exploit a deposit on the people's land.

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3 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

Democrats (and everyone else except followers of the right wing political cult) want royalties from metals mining on public land.

:poostorm:

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9 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

Burisma is a natural gas holding company registered in Cyprus. They don't mine or drill. They have nothing to do with royalties, mining or anything at all relevant to this topic.

Democrats (and everyone else except followers of the right wing political cult) want royalties from metals mining on public land. It just makes sense that metals mines should share the wealth with the rightful owners of the land. Just like every other form of mining and extraction on every other land status.

Public Land belongs to the people. It is not a free for all for corporations to use for profit. The resources belong to the people and they should be compensated when corporations exploit a deposit on the people's land.

Ok Bob, im asking these as serious questions because i cant take it anymore. #1- How many mines are there in the US? Dont say you dont know because i know a few of you love Google, so im sure you can find out. #2- How many people are in the United States? Once again, Google. And #3- After you figure out the first 2 questions, you tell me how much money each citizen of the US is going to get a year off these "SO CALLED SMALL ROYALTIES" You wouldn't even notice it. The taxes you would pay on it would probably take away everything owed to you. And knowing the Democratic agenda, you would probably only see a "ROYALTIES" payment the first year. Then there would be some excuse why people arent getting "THEIR MONEY FOR THEIR LAND" Just something to think about.

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Royalties don't work like that.

When I say "I want my royalties" it is a figurative statement. Royalties go into a fund managed by the State or the Federal government. Not as checks to the "public land owners".

Think oil. Think how every other mining and extraction operation pays royalties for use of public land. Just like that. Only for metals mines too!

That is how we pave our roads and fund our schools. It is not a check written to "public land owners".

In New Mexico oil royalties fund 60% of our budget! It is not chump change. 

 

I want my royalties.

A public land owner.

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Do you really think that is where the government will put it? Your talking a state level Bob when it comes to the oil production in your state. Not a Federal Government level. I thought our last conversation about this you were saying that all of the points i brought up about the gold mines didnt count because they only benefit at the "State level". Sounds to me that is what you are talking about with the oil. I dont see any of the benefits from oil production from your state in my state! Even if you did just the states and not people, there would be very little benefit from a royalty unless you make the royalty so astronomically huge. But then there goes the industry because they cant keep their doors open. But who cares right? Thats how it seems nowadays. Im sure we can figure out a way to make all of the minerals and other mined resources in a lab somewhere. 

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You do see the benefits of royalties from my State in your State. Royalties from public land benefit all taxpayers. Just as royalties from State Trust Land benefit the State.

New Mexico has some of the richest oil fields in the U.S. It is about 50% public land and 30% State Trust Land. If you think those royalties don't benefit you you are dead wrong. There are billions just from New Mexico oil going into the Federal coffers.

Most programs are funded with money from both State and Federal funds. Like it or not royalties from public lands are a part of that.

Except for metals mining. They pay no royalties. And the biggest corporations get by without taxes either. IMHO the free ride needs to stop. If they want to mine the land they should pay their fair share to the owners of that land. If they can't mine at a profit then they need to find a better paying deposit.

That is just capitalism. If you want to dig on someone else's property they can ask for their cut.

 

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Bob, you and i both know its not our land. Plain and simple. If it was our land, we could just go set up shop somewhere up in the hills and do whatever we want. They say "our" public land, but that is not the case. If it came down to it, they will take it and do whatever they want with it. And im afraid that is what you would see with the tiny bit of royalty payment. Its our land until it is convenient for them, then they can do whatever they want and take whatever they want. You know you have seen it in your lifetime because i know i have. Taking little bits away at a time. Whether its "our land" or our hobbies we all enjoy, they are slowly disappearing. Nothing is ours when it comes to this stuff. 

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So the answer is to just give up and allow big corporations to exploit the minerals without charging them royalties? You say we are losing it bits at a time but you are willing to let them take this from us without a word? To actually support them as they are doing it because we are helpless?

I disagree. Public Lands are ours and always have been. Natural resources are the most valuable commodity in the West and our natural wealth from public lands fuels the entire nation. It also makes many people very rich and drives billions in industry.

Public Land is my birthright and I will fight to protect it. And I will vote for people who will fight to protect it.

I'm a public land owner and I want my royalties!

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