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11 minutes ago, FlakMagnet said:

 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but comparing corona virus to the flu is simplistic and misleading.  Estimates are not facts, true, but some estimates are a hell of a lot more relevant than others, especially the ones without a political overlay.

And lastly, it is not a politically slanted statement to say that it is glaringly obvious that the government totally dropped the ball on being ready, on educating the public and on quickly putting defensive measures in place country-wide.

Stay safe. 

 

Yes, Exactly. 

Here's yet again, another article from a source other than a conspiracy website.

Read it if you dare.   :rasberry:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/why-uncertainty-about-coronavirus-breeds-opportunity-for-misinformation?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pbsofficial&utm_campaign=newshour&utm_content=1586797231&fbclid=IwAR0NrEjfhVHXv20dnLlxfvHIkcGl2BltlfaxrRZjlPzyFGh5997_B-r0qWM

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Its been interesting reading this thread. I also believe this country is in trouble but its not the end of the world. Ive spent a ton of time in third world war zones and what always amazed me is I co

Yup all's well that ends (not so) well. We almost pulled out of that nosedive a few times but we finally flew her into that dang mountain of opinions. Good riddance.

Apparently this topic has run it's course and is now locked, no one is really posting any more "Corona Virus Info", most are more concerned in ego conflicts, bashing each other over their political be

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As for politically slanted or any other kind of statements, it's a darn good thing we have Youtube. My guess is when the statistics are all in there will be differing opinions. 

Stay safe. Take care of others by taking care of yourself.

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46 minutes ago, FlakMagnet said:

I am regretting starting this thread. 

 

Given the gravity of the situation, someone else would have started a thread on this topic so don't feel bad.

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With numbers of sick folks like above you would think the hospitals would be teaming with activity and attention.  Seen a article the other day they were packing up the MASH hospital and removing it. 

https://patch.com/washington/seattle/coronavirus-field-hospital-centurylink-will-be-disassembled

 

Guess Licking your fingers while pushing a shopping cart would not  be a good Idea.

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Washington took immediate actions to slow the rate of infection. The field hospitals were set up in the event the spread continued to expand. It didn't. So they are moving the hospitals to areas that need it. Pretty straight-forward.

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4 minutes ago, FlakMagnet said:

Washington took immediate actions to slow the rate of infection. The field hospitals were set up in the event the spread continued to expand. It didn't. So they are moving the hospitals to areas that need it. Pretty straight-forward.

My guess would be  that they will move it to a place like South Dakota.  SD is a current 'hot spot' since the governor has been resisting announcing a stay-at-home order.

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Here is a current map showing existing cases. Much of rural America may have missed the initial hit from this virus but it is slowly spreading to all corners of the US. I used to do a lot of hunting in MN and came across some of old cemeteries and the year 1918 was on a lot of grave markers. I don't know the gory details about the spread of the Spanish flu but I know it started in 1917. As with this virus, it probably took some time for it to reach many of the rural areas. The moral is, don't become complacent. The more we learn about this virus, the more contagious and dangerous it becomes. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html  

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Sorry if this detracts from the serious nature of this thread.  :4chsmu1:

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9 hours ago, Dakota Slim said:

Here is a current map showing existing cases. Much of rural America may have missed the initial hit from this virus but it is slowly spreading to all corners of the US. I used to do a lot of hunting in MN and came across some of old cemeteries and the year 1918 was on a lot of grave markers. I don't know the gory details about the spread of the Spanish flu but I know it started in 1917. As with this virus, it probably took some time for it to reach many of the rural areas. The moral is, don't become complacent. The more we learn about this virus, the more contagious and dangerous it becomes. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html  

The Current Virus and the Spanish Flu are incomparable.  Thank the Creator or who ever you talk to this one is nothing like it.

The Current Virus and the Spanish Flu are incomparable.  Thank the Creator or who ever you talk to this virus is NOTHING like it.

 

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Very enlightening. Like Covid 19 on steroids. People dropping dead on the street . . . and the apparent fact that the so called Spanish flu allegedly originated in a US Army barracks in Ft. Riley, Kansas. It hit suddenly, spread like wildfire, killed millions and went away just as fast. And nobody really knows what caused it or why it stopped. Herd immunity seems to be the best guess. An eye opener for sure.

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23 hours ago, Roger P said:

HTH, are you "estimating" that over 60,000 people died from covid in New York yesterday ?????

As of yesterday New York has had a little over 10,000 total deaths related to Corona Virus!

No sir Mr. Roger, 60,000 is the total number for the whole country, i was pointing out that more deaths from covid in one day in New York city, than the entire number of deaths from the city last year. Stay safe is what i was trying to say. :)

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The annual death rate for New York City is around 54,000 people.

The big rise in New York City Covid death reporting was due to changes in what's reported as a Covid death.

Most people who have died in New York this year were not tested for Covid. The new standard called "close enough" changes the cause of death for those not tested to "death due to Covid complications" if there was any indication those prior deaths might have been related to Covid even though there is no testing to show that the deceased were infected. Those people did not die that day or this week but were added to the totals by policy.

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6 hours ago, clay said:

The annual death rate for New York City is around 54,000 people.

The big rise in New York City Covid death reporting was due to changes in what's reported as a Covid death.

Most people who have died in New York this year were not tested for Covid. The new standard called "close enough" changes the cause of death for those not tested to "death due to Covid complications" if there was any indication those prior deaths might have been related to Covid even though there is no testing to show that the deceased were infected. Those people did not die that day or this week but were added to the totals by policy.

I heard some people question the decision not to test. They had reasons why, but none IMHO warranted all those autopsies. 

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1 hour ago, Dakota Slim said:

I heard some people question the decision not to test. They had reasons why, but none IMHO warranted all those autopsies. 

I think there were not enough tests to start with.  Since it's a new virus, they didn't have the tests laying around.

I read somewhere that the U.S. turned down 100k tests from another country early on, but you'll have to research and verify that for yourself.

Still, 100k tests is a small number when you realize the U.S. population is 328 million.

When this 'first started', 4 or 5 weeks ago, the procedure was to test everyone who exhibited the flu/corona symptoms with the influenza test first.  IF the patient was positive for influenza, no more testing was done and the patient was treated for the flu.  I believe this was done primarily because there are an abundance of flu tests available and very few Covid19 tests available at that time.  Not sure if treatment changed course later, if the patient didn't respond positively to the flu drugs.  I don't know what the procedure is now.

I don't believe there are enough tests currently available to test people who recently died and hadn't already tested positive.

 

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9 hours ago, BMc said:

Very enlightening. Like Covid 19 on steroids. People dropping dead on the street . . . and the apparent fact that the so called Spanish flu allegedly originated in a US Army barracks in Ft. Riley, Kansas. It hit suddenly, spread like wildfire, killed millions and went away just as fast. And nobody really knows what caused it or why it stopped. Herd immunity seems to be the best guess. An eye opener for sure.

We really don't know yet how Covid will 'stack up' against influenza.

I believe it's important to keep in mind that the Spanish Flu pandemic happened over 100 years ago.  Things were very different then.  The population was more susceptible and the war conditions made it easy to spread globally.  After those millions died, the remaining population was more or less immune for the time being.

The social distancing measures of today, are helping to keep the Covid numbers down, as intended.  If we had gone about 'business as usual', then there would be many more cases and deaths.

If the people 100 years ago had the knowledge and technology that we have today, I would think their numbers would have been less as well.

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Luke, perhaps the use of the word "test" was misleading. I was referring to autopsies. New York alone would have had to perform over 11,500 of them and I think they decided using their doctors to try to keep people alive was more important than cutting up dead people to see why, exactly, they died.  

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35 minutes ago, LukeJ said:

We really don't know yet how Covid will 'stack up' against influenza.

I believe it's important to keep in mind that the Spanish Flu pandemic happened over 100 years ago.  Things were very different then.  The population was more susceptible and the war conditions made it easy to spread globally.  After those millions died, the remaining population was more or less immune for the time being.

The social distancing measures of today, are helping to keep the Covid numbers down, as intended.  If we had gone about 'business as usual', then there would be many more cases and deaths.

If the people 100 years ago had the knowledge and technology that we have today, I would think their numbers would have been less as well.

"A commonality between the Spanish flu’s H1N1 and the COVID-19 coronavirus is that both are considered “novel,” which is to say, they are so new nobody in either era had any immunity to them. One marked difference between the two is the most affected groups in the 1918 pandemic were otherwise healthy adults between the ages of 20 to 40. Mortality was also higher in people younger than five years of age and 65 and older. “ The 1918 pandemic strain influenza was new and novel for most people under the age of 40 or 50, but that’s where the death rate really was high—that’s different than the usual flu." (and COVID-19)

"There were no vaccines for the Spanish flu and there are currently no vaccines for COVID-19. One reason the Spanish flu was so lethal was there were no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections, so control efforts around the globe were limited to non-pharmaceutical responses like isolation, quarantine, disinfectants and limiting public gatherings, although then as now, they were applied erratically"

 

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3 hours ago, Dakota Slim said:

Luke, perhaps the use of the word "test" was misleading. I was referring to autopsies. New York alone would have had to perform over 11,500 of them and I think they decided using their doctors to try to keep people alive was more important than cutting up dead people to see why, exactly, they died.  

I agree.

I imagine they've taken blood samples from the deceased and will test in the future.

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I had that nasty flu in 1968. One minute I was fine and the next minute I was puking my guts out and felt like I had been run over by a train.
I've seen video clips about COVID-19 victims who were described as seeming fine one minute and the next minute they dropped over dead.  
One huge difference between 1918 and now is communications. We have TV and the internet and we knew it was coming. Social distancing saved a lot of lives. It is still saving lots of lives and like everyone else, I'm wondering when we can lighten up a bit and let people get back to work. I'm currently in rural AZ and there have only been 4 confirmed cases within 40 miles of where I'm at but it's spreading in Kingman, Lake Havasu City, and obviously in Phoenix & Tuscon. 
Vegas would have been a hot spot if they hadn't shut the casinos. Strangely enough, there have been no known cases in Laughlin. 

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23 hours ago, clay said:

The annual death rate for New York City is around 54,000 people.

The big rise in New York City Covid death reporting was due to changes in what's reported as a Covid death.

Most people who have died in New York this year were not tested for Covid. The new standard called "close enough" changes the cause of death for those not tested to "death due to Covid complications" if there was any indication those prior deaths might have been related to Covid even though there is no testing to show that the deceased were infected. Those people did not die that day or this week but were added to the totals by policy.

Look Clay, the point is a lot of people have died in New York, do you want to argue that point? I can't figure out what your post is supposed to convey, besides my post is inaccurate and you don't seem to think this virus is problem, well some of us are worried for loved ones. 

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56 minutes ago, hardtimehermit said:

Look Clay, the point is a lot of people have died in New York, do you want to argue that point? I can't figure out what your post is supposed to convey, besides my post is inaccurate and you don't seem to think this virus is problem, well some of us are worried for loved ones. 

I am not arguing any point. I don't know how you could possibly read that in what I have posted? My post was meant to convey the facts and no more.

I have never expressed an opinion about whether the virus is a problem or not. I too am worried about loved ones and have spent a considerable amount of time and money making sure my family and friends are safe. To presume otherwise is insulting.

I presented the actual facts. Facts can help us understand the problems we face and ultimately may help lead us to solutions. Relying on rumor and incorrect assumptions will never lead to a workable solution to any problem. I realize facts are not often appreciated when drama is the only real entertainment for a locked down population. Perhaps less drama and more critical reading of my posts will help you understand that I'm just trying to bring some reasonable understanding on how to resolve the problems we all face.

 

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Here is the point...

The idea that every corpse in New York is being counted as a covid 19 death to inflate the numbers is pure nonsense.

I just spoke to a close relative on the phone and asked them about it. He is a trauma surgeon at MT. Sinai hospital in New York. Here is what he had to say.

A corpse that has died of covid is a deep blue or black color. This is from dying of hypoxia. The swelling that accompanies the disease affects not only the lungs but all tissue. So the hands and feet are huge as well as the face. After death the fluids in the lungs leak out as the muscles relax. So there are obvious visual signs of the disease that makes a test unnecessary. This is how they classify untested corpses as covid 19 deaths.

He likened it to a bear attack. If you are having bear attacks and you find a body torn apart with big bite marks and bloody bear tracks you can safely assume the person was killed by a bear. You just don't need more evidence.

He says the sudden increase in numbers were from EMT and Paramedics who found corpses in dwellings. These were people who had called their doctor and been instructed to quarantine at home and call if they needed hospitalization. Crews went to check on these folks and found them dead. 

The numbers were compiled and added at once. Thus the big jump all of a sudden.

He said the notion that the numbers were being falsely inflated are complete fiction. The numbers are actually much higher because people are being found in homes daily. He tells me that the EMT and Paramedic crews have all seen hundreds of covid 19 victims and are quite capable of determining the cause of death in these cases.

The fantasy that the death rate is lower and that the numbers are being manipulated serves only to distort and spread distrust. It is a narrative being spread on the internet by our adversaries. It is total hogwash and only fools the fools that don't know any better.

 

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Finally a practical use for a long range locator has been found!:ROFL: Dont tell the iranians that you can find gold with that device, they may stop testing for covid and head for the hills.:shhhhh:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33042/irans-military-makes-batshit-claim-that-this-stupid-contraption-detects-coronavirus

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