Best corona info I've seen. Bill take it down if it doesn't fit.

[TomH]

16 hours ago, LukeJ said:

Interesting article if you look it up and read about it. Even when Az. opens up, im still going to do everything in my power to stay healthy by continuing the guidelines in place right now, at least until they find a cure/vaccine for it. 

Tom H. 

[Dakota Slim]

 

https://www.newsweek.com/attorney-general-describes-stay-home-orders-disturbingly-close-house-arrest-1499292?amp=1

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[Bedrock Bob]

The sense of oppression must be unbearable.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Bedrock Bob
Edited just to piss you off.

[Mike Furness]

Just a quick warning that this topic will disappear if the personal bashing continues. Keep it civil and on point if you want it  to stay!

[LukeJ]

Here's an example of why preparedness and earlier action were so important.

Here comes the food shortages.....

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/04/22/meat-packing-plants-covid-may-force-choice-worker-health-food/2995232001/

Edited April 22, 2020 by LukeJ
I just don't understand why we're having so many problems in this otherwise 'normal' flu season.

[Bedrock Bob]

Agricultural workers (illegal aliens) are in the same situation as the meat processors (also illegal aliens).

No health care, no insurance, no stimulus money, no welfare. We rely on them to feed us. Now they represent the largest single group of positive cases.

It does not take a genius to figure out how this is going to play out.

We are going to have to deal with the same food shortages that we did in 1918. Only there is a whole lot more mouths to feed and a whole lot less local food production. 

By the time the inevitable second wave hits (just like 1918) there will be no food on the shelves. There will be worldwide famine and most of our supply lines come from overseas. 

Sooner or later we are going to have to play the hand that we have been dealt. The longer it takes to accept this fact the rougher it is going to be.

The food supply in this country is in jeopardy. So are the medical services. Our national defenses have never been weaker and are getting weaker every day. Our local services from garbage collection to police are in big trouble. Our main source of income for most western States (oil)  has dried up. So has our ability to earn and pay taxes.

 We have doubled the annual flu deaths and have not even seen the peak of the first wave yet. We will have lost a million people by fall and will be the hardest hit country on the planet!

Here is the real scoop....

Other countries have a lot of sickness. They have good practice at this. They live much closer to the bone. They know what it takes to survive an epidemic. They don't whine about their "rights" when they are given instructions that don't suit them. They take it seriously because they are aware of how serious it is. They wear masks. They modify their behavior. And they realize their survival depends on those around them. 

Most of the world's population live in shithole countries where they must have common sense to survive. They are much more realist than idealist. They live with the fact that in times of crisis they are going to have to work together. 

Americans refuse to do any of this. They stand in doorways and talk loud about their beliefs. They refuse to comply. They refuse to wear protective gear. They claim to be brave patriots while hiding from reality and doing things that hurt their country. Their ideology takes up so much room they simply cannot behave in a way that contributes to a common goal. They visualize others that don't share their views as the enemy. They divide themselves even when cohesion is required to survive.

We are being tested. And we are failing miserably. The numbers show it. 

When we are weakened enough we will be vulnerable. Strategically and economically. Our adversaries will exploit this even more than they are right now. We are willfully putting ourselves in a position that invites defeat. Unless we lay down our precious arrogance and do the things we have to do to survive WE WILL NOT.

We are going to get really sick. Many will die and many more will suffer permanent health damage. Our economy will collapse because the common man won't have any money. We will endure hunger like this generation has never known. All these things are a given at this point. 

No vaccine can stop this. It can only lessen the blow if one is found. No politician can make it better....only worse. The ONLY thing we can do to help is lay our differences aside and do what we know needs to be done.

We can beat the virus by washing our hands, staying away from each other and working as a team. We can lessen the inevitable hunger by growing our own food and being less wasteful. We can lessen the misery by supporting and helping one another. We can change our system by refusing partisan ideology and electing good leaders.

We have put ourselves in this position with greed, arrogance and division.  The virus has just made our mistakes much more obvious. As long as we insist on behaving this way it will continue to get worse.

 

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[Desertpilot]

Its been interesting reading this thread. I also believe this country is in trouble but its not the end of the world. Ive spent a ton of time in third world war zones and what always amazed me is I could always get food and basic supplies even in conflict. I've bought chicken from roadside vendors in Iraq, got beef and vegetables from village markets in the mountains of Afghanistan, and had some awesome Bedouin mystery meat being sold from a tent in the Sahara desert.  Heck on day three of OIF I was flying over the edge of Baghdad and dudes were out water skiing on the river and didnt give a rip the Marines where coming. People will find a way to cope with adversity that is effecting their life. 

I think it will be a huge adjustment for all of us on what the new normal will be but I believe we will all find a way to get through it. I think our biggest threat is majority of the country has had it easy for so long it will be hard for some to cope with the adversity this pandemic has presented. I feel the coming few months will be a challenge for the country but once we adjust to the new normal things will get better over time.

The other issue I see is people believing the pandemic isnt real or that we are on the back side of the curve. It bummed me out grocery shopping this week, the store was packed but only a couple of us were masked up the rest were acting as if things were back to normal. I've had some conversations with individuals where I live and its amazing the amount of people who still think its all fake news or just another flu. But I have to remind everyone that the reservation that I do some work on is getting hammered and allot of the cases in our state are not being reported due to the lack of widespread testing. 

Buckle up, the next few months are going to be rough but if we all work together and do our part to stop the spread of covid we will get through this.  

[Relichunter2016]

7 minutes ago, Desertpilot said:

Its been interesting reading this thread. I also believe this country is in trouble but its not the end of the world. Ive spent a ton of time in third world war zones and what always amazed me is I could always get food and basic supplies even in conflict. I've bought chicken from roadside vendors in Iraq, got beef and vegetables from village markets in the mountains of Afghanistan, and had some awesome Bedouin mystery meat being sold from a tent in the Sahara desert.  Heck on day three of OIF I was flying over the edge of Baghdad and dudes were out water skiing on the river and didnt give a rip the Marines where coming. People will find a way to cope with adversity that is effecting their life. 

I think it will be a huge adjustment for all of us on what the new normal will be but I believe we will all find a way to get through it. I think our biggest threat is majority of the country has had it easy for so long it will be hard for some to cope with the adversity this pandemic has presented. I feel the coming few months will be a challenge for the country but once we adjust to the new normal things will get better over time.

The other issue I see is people believing the pandemic isnt real or that we are on the back side of the curve. It bummed me out grocery shopping this week, the store was packed but only a couple of us were masked up the rest were acting as if things were back to normal. I've had some conversations with individuals where I live and its amazing the amount of people who still think its all fake news or just another flu. But I have to remind everyone that the reservation that I do some work on is getting hammered and allot of the cases in our state are not being reported due to the lack of widespread testing. 

Buckle up, the next few months are going to be rough but if we all work together and do our part to stop the spread of covid we will get through this.  

Totally agree, we had its so stable for a very long time....like you said...their is always a way to get food, and basic essentials, gray and black markets thrived in a few places I been.

[Bedrock Bob]

44 minutes ago, Desertpilot said:

Its been interesting reading this thread. I also believe this country is in trouble but its not the end of the world. Ive spent a ton of time in third world war zones and what always amazed me is I could always get food and basic supplies even in conflict. I've bought chicken from roadside vendors in Iraq, got beef and vegetables from village markets in the mountains of Afghanistan, and had some awesome Bedouin mystery meat being sold from a tent in the Sahara desert.  Heck on day three of OIF I was flying over the edge of Baghdad and dudes were out water skiing on the river and didnt give a rip the Marines where coming. People will find a way to cope with adversity that is effecting their life. 

I think it will be a huge adjustment for all of us on what the new normal will be but I believe we will all find a way to get through it. I think our biggest threat is majority of the country has had it easy for so long it will be hard for some to cope with the adversity this pandemic has presented. I feel the coming few months will be a challenge for the country but once we adjust to the new normal things will get better over time.

The other issue I see is people believing the pandemic isnt real or that we are on the back side of the curve. It bummed me out grocery shopping this week, the store was packed but only a couple of us were masked up the rest were acting as if things were back to normal. I've had some conversations with individuals where I live and its amazing the amount of people who still think its all fake news or just another flu. But I have to remind everyone that the reservation that I do some work on is getting hammered and allot of the cases in our state are not being reported due to the lack of widespread testing. 

Buckle up, the next few months are going to be rough but if we all work together and do our part to stop the spread of covid we will get through this.  

Bravo. Just freaking BRAVO!

[BMc]

 

THE Coronavirus theme song for country boys . . .

                                                                                

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LukeJ]

Great song.

[Bedrock Bob]

Having the skill set to survive independently of society is a great thing.

Having a society that might require it for survival is an awful thing.

It is not the ability to skin a buck and run a trotline that pulls a country through a crisis like this. It might make an individual's situation a little better in hard times though.

A country boy will survive. But we need men that will help our communities avoid as much hardship as possible. We need men that will bring this country together with good leadership and not divide it with narrow views.

That takes a whole lot more than a single shot rifle and a four wheel drive. Because the goal here is to do more than just survive. This country needs to flourish.

Country boys need to wash their hands, stay home and be patient. Then we all need to agree on some common goals and work with others to attain them.

Even if that means compromising a little with people whose viewpoints we just don't understand. 

Partisanship is the root of our problems. It is the reason we are handling this crisis so poorly. More partisanship is not the solution. 

 

 

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[H-2 Charlie]

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/22/heres-why-inovio-pharmaceuticals-jumped-18-today.aspx

[FlakMagnet]

On 4/22/2020 at 9:53 AM, Dakota Slim said:

Attorney General Barr begs to disagree with your

Slim, considering how "attorney general barr" has acted since he was hired,  I would be highly suspect of anything he says with regard to this subject.

Desert Pilot - great post. Anyone who thinks this illness is like the flu or that it's just about handled is in serious denial.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/?cv-campaign=4fda08e2fbca0387b958bb44bf5cc2b6&fbclid=IwAR3KQX11rjQ2rfQNcTboLszOdTfhp-OaiAAe5VOLcda-38JIsJG2dYfDcko&utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh

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[pondmn]

There was a prior warning about the use of this as a political post.  It seems some are still making political statements including  Moderators.

[Dakota Slim]

On 4/23/2020 at 8:27 AM, FlakMagnet said:

Slim, considering how "attorney general barr" has acted since he was hired, I would be highly suspect of anything he says with regard to this subject.

Hi David. I disagree. I believe Barr has acted with en even hand, guided by the Constitution, Regardless, this health crisis has everyone concerned. There are lots of different opinions about every aspect of the crisis but there is only one Constitution and it is the basis for the rule of law in our country. The DOJ is in charge of upholding the Constitution and, of course, SCOTUS may get involved. I think you can probably agree that we either have law and order in this country or we have chaos and anarchy. 

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[FlakMagnet]

On 4/23/2020 at 9:32 AM, Dakota Slim said:

I think you can probably agree that we either have law and order in this country or we have chaos and anarchy. 

I don't agree at all. We have an erosion of many aspects of 'law and order', It's not either/or…that kind of simplistic mind set does't work.

 

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[FlakMagnet]

I completely disagree with Pondman single handedly closing down a thread that I started.

No one else in the Admin.'s has put up anything.

So I'm gonna let Pondman who rarely posts or has anything of use to say, take it from here.

Bill, - although I haven't read every post, I haven't seen you having a problem, and neither has Skip or any other Admin from what I have seen.

So if one guy can decide he's the sole judge of what goes on in here, I'm done.

Adios.

[Au Seeker]

9 minutes ago, FlakMagnet said:

I completely disagree with Pondman single handedly closing down a thread that I started.

No one else in the Admin.'s has put up anything.

So I'm gonna let Pondman who rarely posts or has anything of use to say, take it from here.

Bill, - although I haven't read every post, all I haven't heard you having a problem, and neither has Skip or any other Admin from what I have seen.

So if one guy can decide he's the sole judge of what goes on in here, I'm done.

Adios.

Unfortunately I agree with Jerry's actions on locking this topic, if he hadn't locked it before I got home from work I would have once I started reading the replies from while I was at work, almost everyone was posting political content, even you David, everyone has to abide by Bill's rules on the no posting political content, even staff members, being a staff member doesn't give one immunity from the rules, we all have to abide by Bill's rules, it's as simple as that.

[FlakMagnet]

This is a topic that in many respects is political.

To be able to discuss the kinds of decisions that are being made every day that are directly effecting us, is vital.

Skip, you said ".., almost everyone was posting political content, even you David, .." I have read back through 10 pages of posts on this thread. I would like you to specifically point out where I wandered into political content that was offensive. And why was I never warned if I did? I spent more time than any other moderator asking people to keep it in-bounds. 

I have never made any attempt to use my being a staff member as some sort of immunity and I don't especially appreciate being characterized in that manner.

We are always going to have someone go over some line that someone else thinks is too much on touchy difficult topics.

I don't agree with your decision. 

[Au Seeker]

4 minutes ago, FlakMagnet said:

This is a topic that in many respects is political.

To be able to discuss the kinds of decisions that are being made every day that are directly effecting us, is vital.

There has never been any attempt to use my being a staff member as some sort of immunity and I don't especially appreciate being characterized in that manner.

We are always going to have someone go over some line that someone else thinks is too much on touchy difficult topics.

I don't agree with your decision. 

David I do realize that this subject matter is very much connected to the political decisions made concerning this Virus so I don't mind and will allow replies that just post info/basic facts concerning those political decisions since it is important information that everyone needs to know...but when many of the political replies are criticizing those political decisions because they were made by a politician that someone doesn't .like or supports they are in direct violation of the forum rules on political content.

So here's what I will do, I will review this topic over the weekend and "hide" or keep hidden any replies that are obviously and or directly criticizing a political decision they don't agree with and then unlock the topic purely for information purposes only...as long as everyone follows these guidelines it will remains here and open for replies for that purpose!

[FlakMagnet]

Thank you.

I would also like you to point out where I said something that was too political and then explain why it was never pointed out to me.

Best….

[Au Seeker]

23 minutes ago, FlakMagnet said:

Thank you.

I would also like you to point out where I said something that was too political and then explain why it was never pointed out to me.

Best….

David up until now I have been trying to follow forum rules on content that isn't allows to be posted when trying to moderate this topic, since this topic is very popular there are a lot of replies, with this virus going on I'm working long hours because we had to split our crews in to one or two people, i'm picking up the slack since I have the most experience and can handle anything that comes my way without supervision, not so with most all of our other workers.

That being said, soon after you started this topic and as this virus grew I knew we were going to have a lot of political replies and was dreading that fact, there are several political posts I have hidden and others that I have not because it's hard to keep up with so many replies after working a long day so I wasn't even looking at why the political content was posted, but within the last few weeks I realized that some political content/info needed to be allowed for information purposes and now I will as I stated review every post even the ones I have hidden to see if they are indeed good info and not criticizing that info.

But to answer your question I didn't even look at your or anyone's replies as being too political or just good info, only as in possible violation of forum rules on political content, but I will and set this right and then unlock this topic.

 

[Au Seeker]

On 3/14/2020 at 5:20 AM, Au Seeker said:

OK here the deal, we can keep on topic, i.e. the Corona Virus without posting any more political posts so this topic remains open so everyone can still post replies or this topic can get locked and then there''s no place on the forum to talk about this subject matter.

There's no problem posting updates on what the government is doing to fight the virus, but lets just keep it at that and leave out any personal opinions of the politicians who are making some of the calls, no matter if that's the President, your Mayor, Sheriff, or county Chairman of the Board, etc., etc.! 

OK, I posted the above quoted warning on the first page since things were already getting a little bit out of hand on political content, also Flakmagnet also posted several warnings throughout the topic and all of these warnings were being ignored on most all of the removed content, the above warnings as well as Flakmagnet's warnings still applies!!

I have reviewed this topic and removed and or edited out content that wasn't info on the Corona Virus issues we've experiencing, if any of your post/replies are gone please don't let it hurt your feelings, it's because it either didn't contain info pertaining to the subject matter and or you quoted someone who had posted such matter, I also removed or edited any replies that was criticizing either another member or info pertaining to the subject matter posted by another member, I took no notice if the info left was good info or a good political issued order, each person can decide what they  think is good info for them and their life.

I also removed most if not all criticisms of political orders issued by government officials because those criticisms don't matter to any of us for the most part except the member who posted them at the end of the day, those government officials will not be reading any of these posts so you will not change anything on their decision making by posting such criticisms.

There were also some members who seem to want to help moderate these forums by openly pointing out that another member violated the forum rules, PLEASE refrain from doing so in the future, we already have numerous Moderators for that purpose and one of us will at some point see the rule violation and making a decision on it even if many may not be happy with the decision!

That all being said, please keep on topic and only post important info pertaining to the subject matter, personal opinions really don't matter each of us will decide what info we want to heed, ignore posts by other members who post something you don't agree with if you can't be polite and post a constructive and non-insulting reply!! 

This topic is now unlocked!

[chrisski]

Now, I'm wondering what anyone is doing different to protect and prepare?

I've started what I'm calling a "Victory Garden."  Got my first zucchini from it today.  Kind of difficult in these small subdivisions with little land, and certainly not cheap.  But it keeps me occupied, and in a few weeks it'll cut down on trips to the store once it starts producing.