Jump to content
Nugget Shooter Forums
Sign in to follow this  
hotrodfeguy

Been looking in "MY LAND MATTERS"

Recommended Posts

I have found a few spots that look great. But my question is I have found the "grid" I assume its 600 acres? How can I tell where 3, 20 acre placer claims are on it? Turns out the three on that grid are a local "gold club" I dont want to wonder across someones claim looking for a "spot" Is a more detailed map online? Do I use coords? TY for the pointers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That is a great question, I have often wondered where I am when in the bush.... I think the recorded claim notice states the location within a section which is one square mile containing 640 acres.  Each section can be broken down or divided into quarters, and further broken down from there... There are very informative sites online, My Land Matters is great...  The PLSS overlays on Google Earth are helpful but not always accurate, the PLSS is the public lands survey system and will show Townships, and sections...   To make things more interesting, some claims have been abandoned but the markers remain, sometimes knuckleheads remove markers, and the claims are still valid.  I think the only way to know if a claim is still valid is to check at the county where the notice was recorded...  I wish I had a better answer for you, maybe someone with better knowledge will chime in and we will all benefit.  Welcome aboard.

Oops.  I just re read your post and you obviously have been using My Land Matters, maybe I should read carefully before I open my keyboard....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok follow on question. What are the restrictions on prospecting? Can I just go to a open claim and run a few pans?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No, the minerals belong to the claim holder, and any removal would be considered theft.  There is a lengthy discussion about this subject on the Detector Prospector Forum, the thread is "Rye Patch Claim Jumpers".  Barry with My Land Matters has words of wisdom posted there for our education....  Don't feel alone.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No I mean if its a open claim. Meaning nobody has renewed or filed a claim on the area. But is BLM or state land.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, hotrodfeguy said:

Ok follow on question. What are the restrictions on prospecting? Can I just go to a open claim and run a few pans?

 

2 hours ago, hotrodfeguy said:

No I mean if its a open claim. Meaning nobody has renewed or filed a claim on the area. But is BLM or state land.

If the area is opened to mineral exploration, and not already claimed for either a lode or placer claim or any other mineral claim, you can do any kind of prospecting your heart desires, i.e. metal detecting, dry washing, sluicing, panning, magnetic imaging, divining rods, and even psychic readings, etc.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, hotrodfeguy said:

No I mean if its a open claim. Meaning nobody has renewed or filed a claim on the area. But is BLM or state land.

You need to learn the rules from the BLM. It is a bit more complicated than Skip presents it. In short if it is not claimed and there are no other restrictions then yes, you can pan and do small sampling. 

State land is not public land like BLM. State land is private land and you generally can't prospect at all. Different States have different rules but the ones I am familiar with do not allow prospecting. 

You asked a huge question. One that requires a lot more than a simple answer. A little research on these threads and some time spent on the subject is the only proper way to answer the question.

Finding a spot is the key to finding gold. The land research and laws are as steep a learning curve for new guys as the prospecting techniques.

Here is my best advice to a newbie. Don't look for "open ground" because you aren't going to find squat. Look for the most tightly held claims in the district and get as close as you can to that. It will be a pantload easier to get on real gold by meeting people and learning who is who in a district than trying to learn to prospect in an "open" area.

I often ask forgiveness instead of permission. I have also noticed that the gold is a lot brighter on corporate land. And you will find many ounces of gold before you will find "open" ground worth working.

Just my two cents. 

Edited by Bedrock Bob
To add snark and a touch of sarcasm.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, hotrodfeguy said:

No I mean if its a open claim. Meaning nobody has renewed or filed a claim on the area. But is BLM or state land.

In General, prospecting on UNCLAIMED BLM and National Forest land is lawful (1872 Mining Act), and allowed, (subject to applicable rules and regulations of those jurisdictional agencies) However, State land (State Trust Land) is closed to mineral entry, meaning no prospecting allowed. There may be individual exceptions to prospecting on State Trust Property (so I'm told) but a special application procedure is required which is costly and involves a somewhat lengthy process. (details may be obtained by contacting the agency of interest)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All I will add to the advice above, is that with the three claims you mentioned, I'd look them up in the online county recorder records by the PLSS township, range and section in Yavapai County, and in Maricopa county by the filer's last name.  That will give a map of what the claim looks like.  That's how I narrow down the 640 acres total and subtract from it the open claims.

Using My Land Matters to further make sure its available, I check to make sure it is BLM or National Forest land.  There's certain areas where prospecting is not allowed that can fall on those lands like designated Wilderness Areas, National Monuments, (I think) scenic riverways, and probably a couple I can't remember.  There's a way to turn those layers on mylandmatters.  I was surprised to find out how many of those mining restricted areas exist.  Can't remember if it is the mining claims section or elsewhere.

Once I narrow down the place I want to go, I will bring up county records to look for filings within the last couple of weeks.  Land Matters does not update daily, but updates every couple of weeks.  They also pull from the BLM database, and not the hundreds of counties.  Someone needs to file with the county to make the claim official and can delay the filing with the BLM.  That way I can know the land I'm going to is open.  Once on site, I also do a due diligence look that the area is not claimed.  It takes up to two weeks for a claim to appear in the recorders office when I file with the county, so boots on the ground can show someone just barely beat you there.

When I do this, I have confidence that this area I'm going to is open.  The only time I didn't do this and let someone else do my work, I showed up and someone told me the area I was looking at was claimed.  Since I could not back up me being there, I left, and later found out that 20 acres was actually still open.  Doing it right, I'll spend 40 hours of time researching the section I will be prospecting before putting boots on ground.

Planned development can interfere with a claim.  For example, somewhere West of the White tanks mountains, a 2,000' wide I-11 corridor will be built which will go by Aguilla and somewhat close to the vulture mine.  There's no real decision on the route yet.

Another thing is to research the BLM's local district travel plans.  Over the next few years, the BLM will restrict motorized vehicle usage in 60% of its lands.  I found this out after going to the Hassunyumpa district and finding I could not drive as far to the potential claim as I wanted because I saw a "Road Closed to Motorized Vehicles."  Ended up getting there, but had to walk a mile and a half further than I planned.  I found that particular area valueless, but a lithium company went through and claimed that section.  Still can't find the Hassunyumpa TMP, so I don't know what roads are open until I get out there.  Sucks when road closures ruin a week of planning.

There's some things I'm not that smart on like the BLM plats and the decades of looking through federal registers that will show land withdrawn from prospecting.

I like what Bob said about finding areas that are claimed up, and finding an open 10 or 20 acres in that section to look at.  I will only caution in the LSD area local to me, on the fringe of the gold bearing zones, I think there's clusters of areas claimed that I feel are worthless, that are only claimed because that section has 19 claims in it compared to much fewer for the surrounding sections, so "it must be good."

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Bob said to ask forgiveness and not permission. 

To be clear I dont look for open ground to prospect. I look for the best ground to prospect and do what I need to do to get on it. That is often patented land and/or corporate claims.

Lots of guys hyper focus on land status and finding "open" areas. My advice is to focus on inroads to the best areas. It is easier to find a spot you can work on excellent ground than it is to find gold on crappy ground. 

The best areas are claimed. The guys who get the gold work those areas. If you want to be one of those guys you gotta work those areas too. 

If you are just shaking a pan for a few colors then a club is the best bet. 

Developing inroads to good ground will pay off much better than finding an unclaimed area. At least for a new guy. Someone who knows a district and has wide experience at finding gold may locate some unclaimed ground to work. But a newbie needs to learn to work gold on producing ground and then tackle the hinterlands.

Again just my opinion. I have never found any gold and I probably don't even know what I am talking about. All I know about it I learned on the internet.

 

 

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...