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15 hours ago, ArcticDave said:

That would increase the chance of putting meat on the table.

Where to place it?  Anywhere on an active trail, or are there better places to locate the salt block?

Yes, trail or near water is better. Deer are creatures of habit and with short memories.

Once they locate the salt, a game camera will tell you what time and from what direction they come from. Don't be surprised if they come in twice a day for salt and then water.. A lot of guys will position themselves between the salt and water. Knowing the time they come in can put you with the sun at your back. Wind direction is tough to predict but chances are it won't be out of the east or south.

Don't count on the rut. Last year in 20B the weather was too warm Dec-Feb for the does to show any kind of noticeable seasonal pollyestroese. I saw bucks every day for weeks but they were paying no attention to does.

When you mentioned a traditional takedown bow, first one to come to mind is the PSE Coyote 2. Affordable, fast and comes tapped for various rests, sights, quiver..

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I use water softener salt and mix in with dirt so it looks less conspicuous and other hunters won't find it and hunt over it.

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Hey Dave ... one of these times if you want I will call for you. I'll position myself well behind and call deer in for you ... never called an Elk but deer I have had good success with.

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4 hours ago, Mike Furness said:

Hey Dave ... one of these times if you want I will call for you. I'll position myself well behind and call deer in for you ... never called an Elk but deer I have had good success with.

There were no deer where I grew up, so I have no clue what a deer is supposed to sound like. I can do effective moose grunts though!

I read somewhere that mule deer vocalizations are very similar to whitetails. That should give you an advantage with all the whitetail hunting you do Mike. 

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Don't forget a foam block or deer to practice shooting at. Bring it in out if the heat and sun when not in use or it'll turn into a giant hockey puck.

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My neighbors would probably prefer I have a really big wall of straw bales as a backstop first. :25r30wi:

I did step off an area for a range. Looks like I can get 30-40 yards without endangering the kids at the elementary school next door. 

The ranch down the street has a one of those styrofoam deer. They set it up front of the manure pile. Any stray arrows are guaranteed a soft landing. Of course the downside is digging your arrows out of the manure pile...:Diggin_a_hole:

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34 minutes ago, ArcticDave said:

My neighbors would probably prefer I have a really big wall of straw bales as a backstop first. :25r30wi:

I did step off an area for a range. Looks like I can get 30-40 yards without endangering the kids at the elementary school next door. 

The ranch down the street has a one of those styrofoam deer. They set it up front of the manure pile. Any stray arrows are guaranteed a soft landing. Of course the downside is digging your arrows out of the manure pile...:Diggin_a_hole:

crap'll stop an arrow pretty quick. 

 

( I cant believe the editor changed s hit'll to crap'll) 

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hang a big piece of carpet behind your bales for those occasional....or not so occasional wild shots...…….

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A big carpet or old quilt works perfectly. 

I went to Home Depot and bought a couple terminal posts and a top rail. I put them in the ground and made a 6 X 6 frame just like a section of chain link fence. Then took a piece of carpet and hung it in the frame. I put a bale of hay in front of it and set my target bag on that. As long as you don't get more than about 25 yards away you are covered well. 

I have had four or five bad releases with the compound that resulted in arrows leaving the range (over my 6X6 backing). Always when I draw. Once I flipped the trigger with my finger on the draw. The knocking loop broke a couple times. And a couple times I did not have the loop fully engaged in my release and it came out about half way into the draw. Every time the arrow went up at a steep angle and came down way out of bounds.

But that was all with a compound. I would not expect to have those problems using fingers and a recurve. 

I feel really safe using a 6X6 backing using the recurve bow. I don't get very far away from it though.

I like to shoot at plastic soda bottles instead of a spot on a bag. I use one of those "stumper" tips with the springs. They will make the arrow tumble and stop it dead if it hits anything at all. If you miss the entire backing your arrow will tumble and stop even if it just hits a little grass.  It makes little bushes impenetrable to an arrow. So they are really safe to plink with and you rarely lose a shaft. You can shoot rocks, logs and glass bottles with them all day and it just beats them up a little. 

I love those tips. I am like a kid with a bb gun shooting those things. If you hit a beer bottle squarely with one it will explode it like a .44 mag. hit it. And as long as you have a little brush behind your target your arrow is never far behind. It takes a lot of stress out of shooting the bow and you get tons of fun practice shooting at objects rather than spots on a target bag.

https://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/sportsmans/Zwickey-Judo-Points/productDetail/Bowfishing-and-Specialty-Points/prod9999008886/cat100543

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12 hours ago, ArcticDave said:

I've seen those points. I wondered how well they work. Losing arrows is a PITA and I'm shocked at the cost of replacing them these days. :tisk-tisk:

So true. A good carbon arrow with all the rigging and a broadhead can cost a $50 bill if you are shooting the really fancy stuff. I don't. But I see guys all the time in the fall with several hundred bucks invested in arrows and broadheads.

The sad fact is that if you are off the range a very large percentage of shots result in a lost arrow. Especially with a compound bow. Bows are just no fun to plink with.

The first year I hunted I lost a turkey, 3-4 grouse, and a half dozen arrows with all the rigging. Soon after I learned about those springy thingys and now I use them on everything except the target bag. They keep your arrows from zipping through a bird and not delivering any shock. And about 85% of the time the first twig flips that arrow on it's side and stops it right there. So now I take dozens of shots that I would never take before and almost always recover my arrows. 

Muzzy makes one of those chisel points with a spring setup behind it. The tip is replaceable and you could easily put a blunt in it for plinking or a sharp one for game. They have a beefy base that might be a bit more durable than a stump point. And you can just slip that spring off and you basically have a target bag arrow.

I have never shot them but I would bet they are the ideal target and hunting point for everything except big game. I am going to order me a couple after Christmas. 

 

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13 hours ago, Bedrock Bob said:

 

I have had four or five bad releases with the compound that resulted in arrows leaving the range (over my 6X6 backing). Always when I draw. Once I flipped the trigger with my finger on the draw. The knocking loop broke a couple times

Dang, Bob those neglegent discharges, as they call them at the range, sure get your attention fast. We've had two here past 10 years...

I forget the details of the first but I have a nice .38" or so hole in the garage door as a result.

Second was a teen I was trying to mentor, a real know it all. Put new fiber optic sights on his bow and instead of getting close to the target like I told him he just let one rip. Went over the backstop, never found the arrow.

A buddy is a bow tech, gives my PSE Durango a tune up annually. Pull is 73# and I have to keep in shape to draw it. Even at 70 yards, arrow sometimes goes through two fat alfalfa bales. The bales have to be stacked carefully.

I want to try a whisker biscuit, any experience?

ArticDave, what's your draw length? I may have some arrows for ya.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Edge said:

Dang, Bob those neglegent discharges, as they call them at the range, sure get your attention fast. We've had two here past 10 years...

I forget the details of the first but I have a nice .38" or so hole in the garage door as a result.

Second was a teen I was trying to mentor, a real know it all. Put new fiber optic sights on his bow and instead of getting close to the target like I told him he just let one rip. Went over the backstop, never found the arrow.

A buddy is a bow tech, gives my PSE Durango a tune up annually. Pull is 73# and I have to keep in shape to draw it. Even at 70 yards, arrow sometimes goes through two fat alfalfa bales. The bales have to be stacked carefully.

I want to try a whisker biscuit, any experience?

ArticDave, what's your draw length? I may have some arrows for ya.

 

 

Whisker Biscuits are awesome. I have bow hunted for 25 years and have shot every rest ever made. From the expensive drop rests and everything in between. I stick with the Whisker Biscuit. Its great for stalking because your arrow does not fall off the rest if you take your finger off. My Bowtech bow and my Whisker Biscuit make a great team. Just my opinion. 

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1 hour ago, nugget108 said:

Whisker Biscuits are awesome. I have bow hunted for 25 years and have shot every rest ever made. From the expensive drop rests and everything in between. I stick with the Whisker Biscuit. Its great for stalking because your arrow does not fall off the rest if you take your finger off. My Bowtech bow and my Whisker Biscuit make a great team. Just my opinion. 

Now I really want one. Deer opens tomorrow in many units including mine. My current rest has to go!!!

I see there's a whisker biscuit on the market slotted for quicker reloads, too. Which one you using? Am I correct thinking it will no longer matter how the arrow is nocked using one?

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I use the older whisker biscuit droptine. Its the slotted biscuit so you can just drop your arrow in. Not sure if they make the drop tine anymore though. I just replace the biscuit every couple of years when the bristles wear out and just use the same mount i bought years ago. Thats back when it was made by Carolina Archery Products. Now trophy ridge makes them.

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3 hours ago, Edge said:

ArticDave, what's your draw length? I may have some arrows for ya.

29" felt natural the other day pulling that recurve at sportsmans.  I'll take anything you can't use. I've got a 20lb Pearson super jet that I going to let the ol' lady use. She is interested enough to want to shoot herself.

I searched through the primitive archery forums and came up with a good jig design for making your own arrows out of the right kinds of wood using a router. Cuts the cost of a shaft down to a few cents instead of several dollars. Fascinating stuff buried in some of those forums. 

I must have grown up on the wrong side of the tracks because "whisker biscuit" means something else to me. 

"I hate to tell you sweetheart...but your whisker biscuit smells like sourdough"

:25r30wi:

 

 

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22 hours ago, nugget108 said:

I use the older whisker biscuit droptine. Its the slotted biscuit so you can just drop your arrow in. Not sure if they make the drop tine anymore though. I just replace the biscuit every couple of years when the bristles wear out and just use the same mount i bought years ago. Thats back when it was made by Carolina Archery Products. Now trophy ridge makes them.

A whisker biscuit is the only thing I have any experience with besides shooting off the shelf. I like them.

The old Carolina Archery biscuit frames were perfect and what I have on my compound. Simple, light and completely adjustable. The new designs are bulky and heavy.

I tried to get one that would accept a regular biscuit and be changed over to the fishing biscuit. That way I could use the same rest for hunting and fishing. Just snap in the appropriate biscuit for whatever arrow I was launching. No dice.

After much frustration and several purchases/returns I settled on the little cheapo fishing rest that came with the reel. They just don't make a whisker type rest that can accept fishing biscuits and hunting biscuits. And all the new, bulky designs interfered with the reel and retrieval system. They all have big die cast frames with incremented slides that make them heavy and cumbersome. So I gave up on the idea of one bow for hunting and fishing.

I have been looking all winter for one of those old Carolina Archery biscuit rests for the recurve. No luck. I know there are a few other manufacturers doing the whisker type rest now days but the ones I have seen are big azz chunks of die cast sliding parts too. If I can't find one that is not full of steroids I am going to just shoot off the shelf.

The biscuit idea is brilliant. The way the manufacturers do their designs leave a lot to be desired. A guy could make a fortune making simple, inexpensive, light designs like the old Carolina Archery rest. And if they offered a stiff biscuit that would support a fishing arrow so that I could use the same bow for hunting and fishing I would buy three of them!

 

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Earlier in this thread I posted a link to a 3 piece hybrid longbow. I found it on ebay for $104 instead of $200.  I couldn't stop my finger from clicking the buy it now button. So hopefully sometime in the next few months a #50 pounder will show up on my doorstep. :yesss:

I think Pops will approve of the way I spent the Christmas money he sent. Had enough left to buy some points, feathers and a fletching jig. 

What follows is gratuitous bow porn. Please shield the eyes of the young or gullible...

 

 

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6 minutes ago, ArcticDave said:

You know, I was going to write "tastes like sourdough", but I made myself gag just typing it...:25r30wi:

 

I don't mind a tangy whisker biscuit. It doesn't bother me at all. It is the thought of a yeasty broadhead that gags me.

Different strokes I guess. :rolleyes:

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