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Ok, explanation accepted. I don't live out there, so not experienced on mine monuments.

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I took time to check location, it is up on top of mountain and not a cliff side. It should be large rocks if above, right? Obviously must be nothing more than weathered rocks as you said.

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I was looking on FB for a good archaeologist from Arizona. I kept getting all these groups, with archaeologist who are bend on preservation. One part still doesn't look natural to me but, is so weathered it must predate Spanish. I'll keep working on it until can at least get some Arizona archaeologists to agree with me.

 

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I don't know, hate to ask an archaeologist.

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I left a comment on a FB page of an Arizona archaeologist, but did not post any photos. I told him I'd had a couple paintings planned and needed to know if natural rock formations or a carving. He was quite helpful and directed me to a page, geomorphology professor at University of Utah. For paintings it doesn't matter, only be able to explain to people what they are looking at in a painting. I have that FB page now if needed, probably won't bother not really important.

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It turned out to be a she not a he. Well, she only gave me a page on FB for a professor at University of Utah. After reading a big long detailed pinned comment of his, I decided not to ask. It mentioned a lot of negative stuff happening to people posting things there (including intimidation by law enforcement).

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Here, you can read it for yourself... all I wanted to do is some paintings not really needed to know all that risking a legal pitfall.

 

 

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On 8/21/2018 at 6:03 PM, chrisski said:

I am truly interested in the history of the Spanish, but they did not really have the population to take advantage of the treasures of the area.  They certainly left a lot for Americans.  Soon after both California and Arizona became American territories, gold was discovered in great quantities. 

I would really like to see a Spanish Digging.  One of the rumors I heard is they would cut the limbs off saguaros to mark the trails, and since Saguaros still stand today from the Spanish time, those markers are still out there.  None of the limbless Saguaros I've seen, I've ever been able to make sense into a trail.

I do wonder if some of the older diggings I've seen in the local Wickenburg area were Spanish or not.  They did explore around here.  I'd be happy to find a piece of 8 out looking for a nugget.

 

On 8/21/2018 at 11:40 PM, BMc said:

Gentlemen,  . . .  Really?  Methinks Thou Do Protest Too Much! I merely tried to present the author's material and to render my opinon that his descriptions and correlations made sense to me, based on the information in his writings, and on my observation of the rock formations themselves. That's all.  Any statements  I made were supported by the book. I never said it was gospel and I wasn't trying to convince anyone of an exclusive viewpoint or disuade opposing opinions. My intention was to simply point out that figures similar to the ones in Kenworthy's book do exist and where they were located if anyone wanted to check it out for themselves. Plus, the area is excellent gold country as many are aware.  
In the deserts and mountains of the Southwest, there have been numerous documented reports of sightings of rock formations that appear to have been deliberately modified to resemble the shape of animate objects. Up to the time of the Kenworthy publication, I hadn't read anything that purported to explain the reason for their existence. I haven't seen anything in the historical records that explains, acknowledges, or even refers to these objects in any manner either. Maybe it's there somewhere, I just haven't seen it.
In regards to fantasy and mining etc. (from my experience), I have found that I am like most friendly easy going sort of folks who tend to enjoy a bit of fantasy mixed with their mining. When out there swinging a coil, or digging a good sounding target, or pursuing their dream in whatever fashion that makes people happy, it's only natural and kind of fun to engage in a little bit of fantasy about finding gold.

 

On 8/21/2018 at 6:03 PM, chrisski said:

I am truly interested in the history of the Spanish, but they did not really have the population to take advantage of the treasures of the area.  They certainly left a lot for Americans.  Soon after both California and Arizona became American territories, gold was discovered in great quantities. 

I would really like to see a Spanish Digging.  One of the rumors I heard is they would cut the limbs off saguaros to mark the trails, and since Saguaros still stand today from the Spanish time, those markers are still out there.  None of the limbless Saguaros I've seen, I've ever been able to make sense into a trail.

I do wonder if some of the older diggings I've seen in the local Wickenburg area were Spanish or not.  They did explore around here.  I'd be happy to find a piece of 8 out looking for a nugget.

 

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On 8/21/2018 at 6:03 PM, chrisski said:

I am truly interested in the history of the Spanish, but they did not really have the population to take advantage of the treasures of the area.  They certainly left a lot for Americans.  Soon after both California and Arizona became American territories, gold was discovered in great quantities. 

I would really like to see a Spanish Digging.  One of the rumors I heard is they would cut the limbs off saguaros to mark the trails, and since Saguaros still stand today from the Spanish time, those markers are still out there.  None of the limbless Saguaros I've seen, I've ever been able to make sense into a trail.

I do wonder if some of the older diggings I've seen in the local Wickenburg area were Spanish or not.  They did explore around here.  I'd be happy to find a piece of 8 out looking for a nugget.

Hello I’m new to this site so please forgive me if this is common knowledge, I have some claims in the superstitions while not the Bradshaws, there are an abundance of very old saguaro markers all over the eastern range there , the Woodbury fire destroyed a hell of a lot of them though. I’m  a 3rd generation miner up there and in my experience and the knowledge handed down to me is that when you see an older saguaro with what we call wonky or bent arms at unnatural angles they nearly almost always point to something of note, usually water but on a few occasions really nice placer deposits as well (maybe a coincidence, but a real nice one). The other thing I have found near some of these markers were nice flint weapons caches and pottery, plain unpainted stuff, left it there.....and it would definitely be cool like you said to find a piece of eight right under or near one but never have just a very old small burro shoe!

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I was printing out the photos, to get started making a sketch of them. More details showed up in printing. My opinion now is what you see to be nothing more than interesting weathered rock. Also did a search of Hawaiian petroglyphs. About 99.99% of the glyphs were neatly inscribed on surface without centers going down like a crack or crevice. However found 1 example of Hawaiian petroglyphs, which do look weathered, going down in the center and very irregular (much like weathered desert rocks in the main land US).

 

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