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Just saw this. Assuming it didn't go into Lake Michigan, you'd think there's a good chance of recovering some pieces of this.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/1/17/16900274/meteor-detroit-explode-nasa-meteorite

By the way, it only traveled 40,000 to 50,000 miles to get here. Really????

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Add a few more zeroes to those numbers and then they start to make more sense  40,000 miles is nothing in terms of distance in our solar system.

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 Mortlock, fragments probably landed near New Haven, MI near Lake St. Claire. Incidentally, the fall zone is far closer to Lake Huron and Lake Eire, even Lake Ontario is closer than Lake Michigan!

AMSmeteors and Marc Fries should be able to triangulate the fall, but the difficulty now is the snow.  Highly successful meteorite hunter, Larry Atkins, lives right there. He will be on it. Which means he won't be at the Tucson gem show.  It will be a great place to search once the snow melts.

billpeters

P. S. I have just talked to Larry. He is leaving AZ in two hours to go back to MI to hunt for meteorites.  Good luck, Larry.

 

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That's so cool! Decent sized meteorites too! There's gotta be more out there. Always cool to see fresh meteorites on the bright white snow.

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5 hours ago, Bill Southern said:

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It appears that they are hunting a frozen lake, it's good it's in the depths of winter or those would of been lost forever at the bottom of the lake!!

I bet any that hit land will have to wait for thaw to be found as they will be deep in the snow, not much snow on the ice of the lake being that it gets blown off by high  winds making those pieces stittng ducks!!

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Does anyone know the conditions on some of the lakes out there? Checked the weather and it looked like it's going to warm up a bit, just wanted to find out if they're safe to walk on because I'm thinking about possibly driving out there this weekend!

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Bill, that would make sense, I also read an article saying that more meteorites will be found as the snow melts. The lakes will still be the best spots to hunt, hopefully they haven't been hit too hard these past few days. There's gotta be lots of little ones still waiting to be discovered...

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It's been thawing weather still, even today. Extreme cold prior to the meteorite fall should keep the ice safer longer. Of course, much will depend on the weather conditions over the next week or so, that area has had more meteorite falls in the past 2-3 years. Last big one fell into Lake Michigan. Scientist believe now the historic Chicago fire was actually statred by meteorites instead of a cow kicking over a lamp. Scientific research supports this theory.

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40 minutes ago, Red_desert said:

Scientist believe now the historic Chicago fire was actually statred by meteorites instead of a cow kicking over a lamp. Scientific research supports this theory.

Do you have a link that supports this theory? While the "cow kicked over a lamp" is bunk, so is a meteorite started the Chicago fires.

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1 hour ago, Morlock said:

Do you have a link that supports this theory? While the "cow kicked over a lamp" is bunk, so is a meteorite started the Chicago fires.

I will try to find one, but I watched on TV the entire scientific report about the meteorite explanation. Other towns at the very same moment caught fire, I think it was a town in S Indiana the entire town burned up. Fires must have started in a couple places either across the state line or close to it. I'm trying to give details here from memory alone, we need a good link now.

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A meteorite starting the Chicago fire is insanely false and has been heavily debunked multiple times. It i pure fantasy that defies all evidence about the various fires during that drought period. Please let it go and do not rehash this argument again. It is not worth it.

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I found plenty of conflicting articles about the fire, they all agree on the story about being media fiction or fake news. The fire did start in the area of the barn though but of unknown cause. Some articles claim that a meteorite cannot start a fire.

Here is one link to look at, it makes more sense than the others.

The Comet and the Chicago Fire -- Science & Technology -- Sott.net

This article is seemily endless, so I'm posting a portion of it to save you time or else just read the whole story later. Some forums have rules on the amount of content can be posted from a page, not sure about Nugget Shooter forum here, if not you can still use the link.

 

" Sunday evening, October 8, 1871 marked the beginning of one of the most devastating fires in U.S. history. Legend has it that "The Great Chicago Fire" resulted from an agitated cow kicking over a lantern in "Mrs O'Leary's barn". The dry leaves and parched wood of Illinois in early autumn were the perfect kindling for a wildfire, and the fire spread with extraordinary rapidity, consuming homes and buildings, leaping from rooftop to rooftop with the speed of a locomotive. Between October 8 and 10, an estimated 350 people perished. The fire destroyed the homes of up to one-third of the city's population, about 1,600 stores, 60 factories, and 28 public buildings. Four square miles of the city burned to the ground.

Contrary to popular folklore, the Chicago fire is not the worst in U.S. history. It was not even the worst to occur on October 8 that year. The same evening - in fact, at the same time, about 9:30 - a fierce wildfire struck in Peshtigo, Wisconsin, over 200 miles to the north of Chicago, destroying the town and a dozen other villages. Estimates of those killed range upward from 1200 to 2500 in a single night. It was not the Chicago fire but the simultaneous "Peshtigo Fire" that was the deadliest in U.S. history.

And there is more. On the same evening, across Lake Michigan, another fire also wreaked havoc. Though smaller fires had been burning for some time - not unusual under the reported conditions - the most intense outburst appears to have erupted simultaneously with the Chicago and Peshtigo fires. The blaze is said to have then burned for over a month, consuming over 2,000,000 acres and killing at least 200.

Concerning the Michigan outburst, it is reported that numerous fires endangered towns across the state. The city of Holland was destroyed by fire and in Lansing flames threatened the agricultural college. In Thumb, farmers fled an inferno that some newspapers dubbed, "The Fiery Fiend." Reports say that fires threatened Muskegon, South Haven, Grand Rapids, Wayland, reaching the outskirts of Big Rapids. A steamship passing the Manitou Islands reported they were on fire.

There can be no doubt that weather conditions at the time favored wildfires. But never before, and never since, has the U.S. seen such wildly destructive simultaneous conflagrations. This "coincidence", combined with many unusual phenomena reported by eyewitnesses, has led some to conclude that an extraordinary force, one not of the earth, was a more likely "arson" than either a misbehaving cow or a regional drought.

In 1883, Ignatius Donnelly, author of Ragnarok: the Rain of Fire and Gravel, suggested that in early historic times our Earth suffered great catastrophes from cometary intruders. To this claim he added: "There is reason to believe that the present generation has passed through the gaseous prolongation of a comet's tail, and that hundreds of human beings lost their lives". He was referring to the conflagration of 1871.

Is there plausible evidence that a comet may have caused the Chicago fire and its regional counterparts? In 1985, Mel Waskin, who had earlier discovered Donnelly's work, published a book, Mrs. O'Leary's Comet, suggesting that a comet did indeed spark the October 8th fires. More recently, Robert Wood, a physicist and aeronautical engineer formerly with Douglas Aircraft and McDonnell Douglas, gained attention from the Discovery Channel and other media for proposing the same idea.

The proponents of the cometary explanation cite many fascinating details confirmed by eye witness reports: the descent of fire from the heavens, a great "tornado" of fire rushing across the landscape and tearing buildings from their foundations, descending balls of fire, a rain of red dust, great explosions of wind accompanied by blasts of thunder, buildings exploding into flame where no fire was burning, and a good deal more. Some of the parallels with the later Tunguska event are impossible to miss.

It seems that the records of the conflagration hold many clues that are almost never mentioned in scientific discussion of the Chicago fire. Over time the clues have virtually disappeared. They have disappeared because they are not meaningful to minds conditioned by popular ideas about how the "Chicago fire" started and what is "scientifically" possible. Within these habits of perception, the most important evidence will often go unnoticed or unremembered.

Where was Comet Biela?

A strange thing happened to comet Biela in 1845. The nucleus of the comet split into two partners. The "smaller" comet (lower left in the picture above), subsequently became more active and brighter than the larger. And that was only the beginning.

In 1883, twelve years after the Chicago fire, Ignatius Donnelly published a widely read book, Ragnarok: the Rain of Fire and Gravel. Though the book dealt primarily with the evidence for cometary disasters in ancient times, Donnelly suggested that the Chicago fire provided a small glimpse of the terror experienced by our earlier ancestors. "There is reason to believe that the present generation has passed through the gaseous prolongation of a comet's tail, and that hundreds of human beings lost their lives".

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Red-desert,

I had asked you politely not to rehash this pseudoscience, and that's exactly what you did.

Go to "Meteors can cause fire" from wet/dry mixer, Nov 29, 2013 and read what was written there. Repost there or start your own thread and I promise I will not reply. It is like arguing against the moon landing hoax. Serious evidence doesn't matter.

billpeters 

 

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17 minutes ago, billpeters said:

Red-desert,

I had asked you politely not to rehash this pseudoscience, and that's exactly what you did.

Go to "Meteors can cause fire" from wet/dry mixer, Nov 29, 2013 and read what was written there. Repost there or start your own thread and I promise I will not reply. It is like arguing against the moon landing hoax. Serious evidence doesn't matter.

billpeters 

 

Sorry, your comment wasn't there when I made mine, yours showed up first only because your clicker hit the reply submit before me.

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No worries.

You may wish to start your own post on the topic. If you are serious about learning why meteorites do not cause fires and why the fires is Wisconsin, Chicago, and in Michigan were unrelated to each other and could not have been started by a meteorite fall, then private message me. 

billpeters

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I don't plan on going hunting meteorites at any of those locations, but I'm SE of Chicago and about a 25 minute drive from Michigan.  We do have recent enough meteorite fall areas here in the Midwest. Even in Ohio, a few years ago an archaeologist was doing a survey for the museum board, found 5 stony irons on the land tract of a French historic site in the Ohio Valley...that would be SE Ohio. No, I don't have time to research it out for a thread or plan meteorite hunting trips.

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