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For those who have been following along or are just now tuning in this soap opera, here's the synopsis:


I've been off the Crestor two weeks today.. Although getting that stuff out of my system both greatly diminished or completely disposed a slew of side effects, the joint and muscle pain was not included in that housecleaning.. If anything the pain has been getting more severe and increasing its reach.. At some point this past weekend I accepted the fact something else was in play along with the statin.. Based on the symptoms the most likely suspect was polymyalgia rheumatica, which my doctor concurred earlier today..


While the symptoms appear to indicate polymyalgia rheumatica (intermingled with statin side effects), this Dx also requires a 'ruling-out' (or 'inclusion') prior to actual pronouncement (or confirmation).. A nominal dose of a corticosteroid (normally, and in this case as well: prednisone @ 15mg/dy to start) should bring prompt relief and complete to near-complete symptom resolution in 24 - 72 hours..


I took 15mg at 6:00 PM EST this evening.. My Dr. also promptly upped my CoQ-10 intake to 400mg/dy.. I consider myself extremely fortunate to have a doctor who even knows what CoQ-10 is..


Sooo, guess I'll know yea or nay by Friday.. I've been dealing with some fairly intense pain the past 5 - 6 weeks, and it doesn't bother my male ego one bit saying so.. Corticosteroids be damned..! If that's what it takes, gimme..! My doctor is also keeping me off the statin right now too.. Hopefully that'll turn into forever.. If not?, I'll never allow more than a mini-dose (see 2012 study results for validation..)


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Yeah, Hang in there Swamp...

( side note: I appreciate the precision of your writing. :arrowheadsmiley:)

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Forget meds as all you need is a sauna, Jacuzzi and pool fixes it all with a little labor involved. Nothing helps fibromyalgia more than exercise and good muscle tone. The pool swim and exercises reduce the gravity and weight stress and build tone. Sauna drives heat deep within to heat up ol'bones and the Jacuzzi same same BUT the jet massages drive blood circulation to improve immediately to injured areas to bring in the good and remove the toxins. HEAL THYSELF MY SON IS TRUE. Hep C 2 B and the ungodly treatment purt' near killed me and left it's mark forever BUT 95% reduction in pain and 100% more action allowable...jus' sayn' John PS gym/health club much cheaper than drugs...

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BD, Luke, SDJ, Dan: Thanks, gents..

GeoJack: I'm glad it helps you have a better quality of life..

John: I wish it was that simple, but it isn't.. I could write a book.. All I'm going to say is I chose

a paycheck (more than once) over 'possible' future health issues.. For that there is no do-over..


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I,m on Predisone for the same thing, it works great, also I take Quinine pills along with the predisone, I'll be on it for the next 90 days, have been on it for 90 days, woke up one morning couldn't move at all, so I went to the VA, Rumitiod autheritus, that predisone was a life saver. Grubstake

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A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do-right,wrong ugly or indifferent as we're the only ones who have to live with our mistakes. ALWAYS wish ya the best a luck in this short race to the end. Respect-John :old:

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Grubstake -- I'm glad the prednisone has helped.. My question is when at the VA did you get to see a Rheumatologist..? I would hope so, since it sounds like someone gave you a Dx of RA and I would only accept that Dx from the correct Dr.. I say this because today there's multi-phasic treatment for RA and the corticosteroid is no longer a first line treatment.. I can understand them giving you the prednisone as a quick way to see if it reduced the pain, but for the long game there's more to controlling RA than the prednisone alone.. Here's a quick copy & paste of current treatment protocol (base line) and I'll follow it with the link to the info from which it's lifted.. And given what went down recently at the VA, if you didn't see a Rheum Dr., at your followup visit I'd proceed along those lines:

" Good control of RA requires early diagnosis and, at times, aggressive treatment. Thus, patients with a diagnosis of RA should begin their treatment with disease-modifying antirheumatic drugs — referred to as DMARDs. These drugs not only relieve symptoms but also slow progression of the disease. Often, doctors prescribe DMARDs along with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs or NSAIDs and/or low-dose corticosteroids, to lower swelling, pain and fever. DMARDs have greatly improved the symptoms, function and quality of life for nearly all patients with RA. Ask your rheumatologist about the need for DMARD therapy and the risks and benefits of these drugs. "

http://www.rheumatology.org/I-Am-A/Patient-Caregiver/Diseases-Conditions/Rheumatoid-Arthritis

If above link doesn't contract and takes you to a 404 error, copy & paste above link into a new window..

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Swampy...Tomorrow morning run..not walk...to your local grocery and get 6 bottles of Black Cherry Juice and drink one glass every morning ... You'll be amazed ... Statins pretty much destroyed my life befor I quit them about 6 months ago and I have been on Tylenol 6- 9 pill/day for years ... About 5 -6 weeks ago I started the juice and quit the tylenol...A total life changer! ... Very little to no pain from the first week! I've talked to other folks who know about this secret ...Downside is when the snowbirds com to wickenburg it gets hard to find if you're not right there when they stock the shelves each morning! ...Cheers, Unc

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Swampy...Tomorrow morning run..not walk...to your local grocery and get 6 bottles of Black Cherry Juice and drink one glass every morning ... You'll be amazed ... Statins pretty much destroyed my life befor I quit them about 6 months ago and I have been on Tylenol 6- 9 pill/day for years ... About 5 -6 weeks ago I started the juice and quit the tylenol...A total life changer! ... Very little to no pain from the first week! I've talked to other folks who know about this secret ...Downside is when the snowbirds com to wickenburg it gets hard to find if you're not right there when they stock the shelves each morning! ...Cheers, Unc

Seriously? I've got to try this, I have been eating tylenol like candy for pain relief, my liver could use a break. Thanks Ron

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Swampy...Tomorrow morning run..not walk..

Cheers, Unc

Thanks for that tip, Uncle Ron..!

I remember reading somewhere that black cherries were good at treating gout & flushing uric acid, but it didn't dawn on me until just reading this that uric acid forms as crystals in joints, which causes inflamation, which etc & so forth.. Duh.. It's probably an antioxidant too.. ^5..

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THe wife had gout some time back. SHe fought it off by changing her diet to limit animal protein, maximize clean water intake, and I hunted tart cherries to throw in the blender for her /us.

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It's coming up on 72 hours; here are my thoughts at this time:


Without a doubt the prednisone helped.. A corticosteroid isn't something I want to be taking, and I'll be looking for natural substitutes as time moves forward, but as far as something knocking back the pain fairly rapidly goes this stuff did the job..


Now, did it do that as quickly as the literature said it would..? Well, yes and no.. It's taken nearer to now than the 24 hour mark for me to say I'm on the far side of a tipping point.. But then again I was hurting pretty good for a long time before starting in.. Same goes for the complete to near-complete symptom resolution.. There's still some purt good hurties hanging on, all in the shoulders, bursae and near tendon / muscle locale.. Again though, considering the shape I was in exactly three days ago there's no question about which way I'd rather be feeling right now..


My main concern is the longer term side effects.. Assuming I do get to the totally pain free plateau and there isn't yet something else lurking, the quicker I can wean down through then completely off the prednisone the happier I'll be, as this drug does have some not-so-nice side effects too.. It isn't my intention to trade one set for another..


Thanks to those of you who came along for the ride.. Thanks to those who commented, as some really decent information about alternatives got shared and exchanged.. Now hopefully all that's left is getting back into some sort of shape.. Two month's worth of needing to veg out has left me pretty, ermmm, squashed.. :th:


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Hi Swamp, :m2c: here. I was diagnosed with RA about a year or so ago. I am only 46 and I was not all too happy about the whole situation. I let the pain get to the point that my wife had to help me get dressed in the mornings so I could go to work. The pain was the worst in the mornings. I was eating lots of advil. Like most guys I think, I had hoped the pain would just go away....it didn't.

I did the whole doc thing and ended up taking the prednisone. It worked but I did not feel right and did not like taking it. I tried graduating to the next "less harmful" drug(can't remember the name) but it didn't work. So I stayed on a very low dose of prednisone for quite a while. I also stared taking Temazepam for sleep because the prednisone greatly disrupted my sleep patterns. I could tell the drugs were just masking the pain, and even though the sleep meds would knock me out, I didn't feel rested. I was a mess.

I thought to myself, I can't live like this. I don't want to be on drugs the rest of my life. I started looking for alternatives. In my searches I came across a book called "The Autoimmune Solution" by Dr. Amy Myers. It sounded good and I was ready to make a change, so I bought it.

Basically it prescribes a radical diet change for a 30 day period. Cutting out all the bad and I mean "all the bad" and only eating organic fruits, veggies and meats. Along with some supplements and probiotics. It takes a commitment and a whole lot of will power, but man I am telling you it is worth it. Within two weeks of the diet plan I stopped all meds and was pain free. I felt amazing and abounding with energy. I started going on afternoon hikes after working 11 hour days. I started jogging. Six months earlier I could hardly get out of bed. Last August, myself and three buds did a five day 52 mile backpack trip on the John Muir Trail that took us to the top of Mt. Whitney. I was a little worried about the trip but made it with no issues.

Anyway, all that to say I highly recommend the book. You have to be willing and ready for a big change, cause it wasn't easy. I know RA is an autoimmune disease and maybe what you have isn't. But I think this would work for any ailments.

I hope this helps and please consider.

Steve

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You ARE what you eat and especially what you drink...Great to see a success story via homeopathic means. That stinkn' acetametaphine and naproxen will kill you off in short order. Kudos and tons a au 2 u 2-John :yesss:

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Just wanted to add I used to take 8 to 10 tylonol per day for 10 years..now after two months+ of the black cherry I haven't had a single tylonol since starting... amazing stuff...and tastes good too! Cheeers, Unc

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Steve,


It's great hearing about turn-around successes..! You and Uncle Ron are inspirations; hopefully Grubstake is picking up on this and it well help him too..


You are correct though -- I do have autoimmune issues, along with self-caused and non self-caused industrial chemical situations.. That's what I meant when saying to Hoser John I wish things could be that simple.. Besides which, this isn't the right kind of forum to be getting into those kinds of things anyhow..


In regard to Dr. Amy Myers: I know who she is, as in I've heard of her and her writings.. I can't get that severe though.. Tried.. No go.. I need to have some carbs, otherwise my blood sugar gets all weird on me.. I have to go more along the lines of Atkins, slightly modified.. I can keep a fairly good balance on things.. Oh yeah, every now & then a craving gets me and I end up paying for that indulgence, but they keep getting further and further apart.. Enough shock therapy n all that, ya know..


Indestructable in my youthful indiscretions n such too.. Didn't take MSDS sheets seriously enough sometimes early on.. Then there were those other uncontrollable factors ya didn't know you were getting bit by until after the fact, in my case mainly other individuals who were careless with their usage of acids, bases and reagents thereof, their poor cleanups of little sloshes n the like, contaminating $180 shared gloves cos the company was too cheap to get everyone their own pair etc.. You don't know there's a problem until you feel the burning, look, and can nearly see the bone through the pinhole in your skin, things like that..


It all eventually came crashing down.. Sounds like about the same age your now hopefully totally eradicated problem began flairing up.. I've basically been detoxing since then.. Furly miserable the first few years, stuff coming out through the skin cos liver & kidney couldn't handle what all was being sent their way.. Painful.. And weird too..


As HJ sez: You are what you ingest.. And in my case I was a hazardous waste superfund cleanup site.. Did it all for a fat paycheck and a really good benefit package.. Now I know why the bene pkg was so good -- no one lived long enough to collect for long if at all on the back end.. In hindsight I'm sure the company had nice fat insurance policies on all of us.. Also in hindsight I'm fairly certain the reason I'm alive today is because of the crash and burn.. I can't imagine still being around continuing what I had been doing for much longer..


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Just wanted to add I used to take 8 to 10 tylonol per day for 10 years..now after two months+ of the black cherry I haven't had a single tylonol since starting... amazing stuff...and tastes good too! Cheeers, Unc

Uncle Ron, What brand of Black cherry juice are you getting? Thanks Jim

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Montgomery Tart Black cherries have the highest concentrations of the good antioxidants. I eat them in cereal , oatmeal, in yogurt with cranberries/walnuts, and make a trail mix to munch out mining to keep up energy. COSTCO has pretty big bags of the highest quality pretty cheap. Haven't found a bulk bin to buy that particular type, just bland NOT tart junk...still lookn' for cheaper-John

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It's not just joint aches that it helps with...

http://medicinezine.com/natural-medicine/tart-cherry-juice-benefits-tart-cherries/

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"Tart Cherry Juice Benefits. All about Tart Cherries.

Cherry Facts and Nutrition Information

cherriesinaglass.gifCherries are drupes, or stone fruits, related to plums and more distantly to peaches and nectarines. They have been enjoyed since the Stone Age-pits were found in several Stone Age caves in Europe. The Romans carried cherries throughout Europe and England along the routes of conquest.

Cherries are grown in several regions, but seventy percent of the cherries produced in the United States come from four states (Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and Utah).

There are two main types of cherries: sweet and sour. Sour cherries (tart cherries) are lower in calories and higher in vitamin C and beta carotene than sweet cherries. The Montgomery Sour Cherry (Montgomery Tart Cherry) is the best known sour cherry or tart cherry.

What is the difference between tart cherries and sweet cherries?

Sweet cherries are grown primarily for fresh eating. The tart cherry, also called “red tart”, “sour cherry”, or Montmorency, is widely used for canning and processing to make jams, preserves, and pies. Tart cherry pie filling is the number one pie filling sold in the U.S. The name “Montmorency” refers to the most widely grown variety of tart cherries.

Tart cherries have a distinctive, bright red color. In fact, the same compounds that give tarts their color contain the antioxidant properties that researchers are investigating.

While sweet cherries are grown in several parts of the country, tarts are grown primarily in northwestern Michigan. Michigan has 3.8 million tart cherry trees. All of the recent research into the health benefits of cherries is referring to tart cherries.

The tart cherry offers a number natural health benefits and is a source for a number of nutrients. The amazing stories of the natural health benefits have been passed down from generation to generation. They have been passed from mother to daughter and grandfather to grandson.

Cherries to Help you Sleep

The University of Texas Health Science Center recently began to quantify the availability and activity of the melatonin in cherry products. Melatonin is a potent antioxidant for which there is extensive evidence showing it to be significant in improving the body’s circadian rhythms and natural sleep patterns.

In their preliminary work, Dr. Russel Reiter and Dr. Dun-xian Tan used radioimmunoassay (RIA) and high performance liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection (HPLC-EC) to identify substantial levels of melatonin in tart cherry juice concentrate. The amount of melatonin found, says Dr. Reiter, “is extremely significant.”Although melatonin is found in the body in extremely small quantities, slight increases in melatonin levels can produce very positive results.

Researchers are now working to determine the amount of active melatonin available to the human body after the consumption of tart cherry juice or other cherry products. Once identified, researchers will be able to calculate the optimum level of cherries that should be consumed to achieve the greatest health benefit. Dr. Reiter points out, “as we age, the human body’s ability to produce melatonin decreases,” so it may be beneficial to find a way to increase melatonin levels, particularly for the elderly. Including cherries as part of a healthy diet could be a way to do this.

Melatonin is a powerful antioxidant considered more potent that vitamins C, E, and A, because it is soluble both in fat and water.

New Research Shows the Power of Cherries
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Antioxidant Capacity of Selected Fruits – Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity (ORAC) Units per 100 grams

Recently published research conducted at Michigan State University investigated a range of fruits and berries for the level and activity of anthocyanins found in each.

Researchers analyzed the ability of the fruits to help maintain a healthy body and act as antioxidants to destroy free radicals. The researchers then quantified the anthocyanin levels of tart and sweet cherries, raspberries, strawberries, blackberries, blueberries, cranberries, elderberries and bilberries.

Researchers discovered that the antioxidant activity of anthocyanins from cherries was superior to vitamin E at a test concentration of 125 g/ml.

Anthocyanins 1 and 2 are present in both cherries and raspberries. The yields of pure anthocyanins 1 and 2 in 100 g in cherries and raspberries were the highest of the fruits tested at 26.5 and 24 mg, respectively. Fresh blackberries and strawberries contained only anthocyanin 2 at a total level of 22.5 and 18.2 mg/100 g, respectively; whereas anthocyanins 1 and 2 were not found in bilberries, blueberries, cranberries or elderberries.

Cherries and a healthy cardiovascular system

Cherries are packed with powerful health-promoting properties. Research indicates tart cherries contain at least 17 natural compounds including beta carotene, vitamin A, Melatonin and phenol compounds known as flavonoids.
Studies suggest flavonoids help promote cardiovascular health. Some of the specific flavonoids in cherries include anthocyanins, proanthocyanins and anthocyanidins. Anthocyanins are naturally occurring compounds that give fruits, vegetables and plants their vibrant color. Tart cherries are a good source of these vital flavonoids.

Brunswick Labs located in Wareham, MA discovered that tart cherries also contain a class of compounds called SOD (super oxide dismutase), which act as super scavengers of dangerous free radicals throughout the body. Very few foods contain SOD and the human body is often lacking in SOD.

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Cherries and healthy joint function

The good news about the health benefits of cherries continues to increase. According to ongoing research, Montmorency tart cherries are a rich source of antioxidants. In addition, there are beneficial compounds in Montmorency tart cherries that may help maintain healthy joint function.

Other fruits and vegetable do not have the unique anthocyanin and antioxidant makeup similar to those of tart cherries.

While the research on the exact mechanisms that give cherries their unique ability to maintain healthy joint function, many consumers are discovering that tart cherry juice and other cherry products can help maintain an active lifestyle.

Short List of Some Benefits of Tart Cherries:tart-cherry-juice-bottle.jpg
  • Nature’s sleep support -supports natural sleep and relaxation
  • Fight free radicals
  • Supports the Immune system
  • Supports balanced mood
  • Anti-aging properties
  • Supports the body’s response to stress, and worry
  • Tart cherries are a potent antioxidant, packed with Melatonin
  • Support joint mobility
  • Support joint and muscle comfort
  • Support cardiovascular health
  • To manage post-exercise recovery with cherries
Tart Cherry Supplements and Tart Cherry Products

The tart cherry offers a number of ways to enjoy the natural health benefits including dried tart cherries, tart cherry juice concentrate, tart cherry capsules and more. Below are some of the ways and sources to incorporate tart cherries into your daily diet.

  • Dried Tart Cherries: A handful of dried cherries make a great healthy snack or an addition to your morning cereal. They also make a good alternative to the candy in the candy jar next to your computer. Dried cherries make a great choice since they are available year round.
  • Tart Cherry Juice Concentrate: It takes approximately 100 tart cherries to make one ounce of tart cherry juice. Tart cherry juice concentrate is a concentrated way to get the natural health.
  • Tart Cherry Extract (Super Fruit Supplements): Tart cherry supplements are the most convenient and easiest way to get the natural health benefits of the tart cherry. These super fruit dietary supplements start with the whole cherry. The entire tart cherry, excluding the pit and the stem, is used to produce the tart cherry capsules, including the skin and the flesh of the fruit."
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