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Screw the sob he was a big cat an did not belong around people.
Sooner or later if he already didn't do it he would have eaten someone.
Cause thats what big cats do.
BUT the has been dentist is a YAHOO the amount of money he invested to do that was ungodly.
No wonder I cant afford a dentist appt.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOOoooH an Have a nice day :4chsmu1:

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Frank, the lion was in a national park ,but was lured out to surrounding property to be hunted and killed. He wasn't hunting people or a hazard to them.

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Yeah, not too long ago there was a news story about a cat that attacked a woman I belive it was in her car they were driving thru one of those parks where they have "wild" "tame" animals for you to be close to .
I really don't care if the lion was in a national park or where it was.
They are man eaters plain and simple, your pet or somebody elses pet ??? Doesn't matter sooner or later that sucker is gonna rip yer azz up cause thats what they are suppossed to do and they know very well how to do it.
Just sayn a man eater is a man eater. Its not Mr. Rabbit thats fer sure.

Ever see the movie "The Ghost and The Darkness" with Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas ???
If you didn't you really don't know what your missing.
Based on a TRUE STORY too !!! One hell of a movie.

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I think it's lame he went all the way over to kill a lion and goes for the lazy park mascot who is known for being friendly and sociable to humans.

I'm no lion expert, but I don't think it's accurate to say all lions are man eaters. Just because something is physically capable of eating or attacking a human doesnt mean it ever will or that it should be killed for it. To claim that lion would've eventually killed someone, just because it had the physical ability to do so, seems pretty far fetched to me. There are a lot of lions, I.e. Most of the entire species, that go there whole lives without attacking or eating people.

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Yeah, I heard about that. I believe her Darwin award was for leaving her window down,

Yeah , they're wild maneaters, no doubt but the animal was not taken down because he was a dangerous hazard, or had turned into a domesticated pest, raiding trash and such or involved in livestock killings.

He was lured out of a preserve for a( supposedly) easy kill.

So, to try and make the case that "lions are dangerous so kill lions"( I know I am oversimplifying and that's not what you said) is pretty slim when you consider that this one was causing no problems.

I understand wanting to buck the outrage over the incident-seems like everyone wants to pile on and cast the first stone at the" adulterer"( or the trophy hunter in this case).

The guides he hired went for an easy mark and the dentist drew a short stick hiring them. NOw they're all paying the price- some of it probably unjustified..

I saw the movie, Frank . It is in no way analogous to CEcil's kill. THe movie lions were hunting construction workers.

Cecil hunted wild game with his pride.

Maybe you're just saying not to judge the dentist-lest we be judged...

Yeah, not too long ago there was a news story about a cat that attacked a woman
They are man eaters plain and simple,

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What disgusts me is those who think they have the right to destroy this mans practise and his career. Just because it's not PC to kill a cat...ok, he may have been wrong by killing a cat outside the park that came from the park. But it's done, and lets move on....it happened in Africa and its over. But for the news and mainstream media talking heads....who make their money on blood, gore, and negativity....have to plaster this crap on tv so the dumb masses asses could have something to say about it is just poor taste.

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Its really AMAZING the amount of attention this subject got and is getting, even right here with a simple post by Slim.
Who by the way was lookin for input and got it here.

I have nothing against "hunting" bow & arrow, firearm, fishing rod, spear whatever. But "NOT FOR HIRE" hunting for the fun of it.
I think its chickenshit.
Now RAMBO style thats a different story !!
Livin out in the wild learning watching your prey for as long as it takes like primitive style ya know.
Then moving in at the right time an place to nail it. Skin it make a coat , leggins , shoes whatever outta the outsides and eat the rest.
Grind the bones up to get the calcium content for its use etc.

Not pay 8 G's for a plane ticket 2G's for a hotel, 50 G's for a permit, probably another 10 G's for misc. xpenses to be brought somewhere an have a large game animal be put between yer sights.
Hell no, that ain't huntn.
Now to go out and stalk that damm lion like a lion stalks its prey an nail it with an ol 3 screw Ruger .44 mag or a Sharps buffalo rifle an finish em off with a genuine Ivory handled Bowie knife , Yeah thats the ticket.

I think I got A case of cabin fever from the triple digits ,stayin in the A/C too long warped my brain.
Sittn at the computer way way too long this summer.
I've been susceptible to TRUMP FEVER, HILIARYS A Bit&* Cecil the lions untimely death, WOW now theres one Cecil, I haven't heard that word since 4 th grade there was a kid in 4th grade named Cecil thats the last time I ever heard that name untill this week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND TO THINK THEY HAVE THAT NAME IN AFRICA !!!! OMG ???
Oh Hesus this is gettn like the Stooges fast, ========= Slowly I turned !!!!!! STEP BY STEP !!!! INCH BY INCH !!!!!

NIAGRA FALLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry2::ROFL::yesss::th:
This is all SLIMS fault :brows:

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Nah, for indigestion, I found that if I don't overeat, take plenty of sea salt with my drinking water, no coffee and start hydrating just after waking- quart of seasalt(1/4 teaspoon) water no sooner than 1/2 hour before breakfast.

NOt drinking liquids with your meals( hydrating well before) is the single best thing you can do to promote digestion instead of fermentation/incomplete digestion where food stagnates in your stomach due to diluted stomach acid and lack of chloride in the diet( salt phobia) which leads to a lack of stomach acid( hydrochloric).

:4chsmu1: Mix in a teaspoon of applecider vinegar if you want to indulge.

If I were in that dentists shoes, I'd be thinking of donating some funds to that preserve, a little monetary penance, if you will. It wouldn't hurt to also contact them in regards to additional moneys to be donated( more penance) for a sculpture worthy of CEcil's reign..

He was just a big nice putty tat :cry2:


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Well, there's no doubt that people are getting worked up over this.

Regardless of how you look at this I think you will agree that lots of people are feeling the need to vent these days.

The press that Planned Parenthood has been getting lately has also stirred up the pot.

It appears that the natives are getting restless.

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The whole bit is a bunch of Yuppy Rubbish. Lion hunting is a lucrative trade I'm sure I'd have no part in if I had the money. I don't hunt anything I don't eat other then the Problem Coyote or wild Dog any more. Wild Dogs killed 40 0f my chickens in one day. The lion was a hunter. It killed for a Living. It went were it was hunting to eat something. The Hubla on FB is all folks that think he was a Pet. LOL

Life goes on.

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I read a couple articles in which a number of native Zimbabwe folks were interviewed about the situation and virtually to a person they all responded with "what lion?" -- "Lions are killed here every day and the high fees the foreign hunters pay puts a lot of food on the country's tables." Unemployment there is 80% and the politicians are all crooks; the people are miserable and say there should be more hunters invited in, more lions killed. Thought that was pretty interesting.

I used to hunt but always avoided shooting the big awesome trophy bucks, which tend to be on the tough side, and go for the nice tender forkies. Just :m2c: ... Cheers, Unc

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Now that Cecil is dead it's going to be a little tough training those future fast long distance African cross-country runners. Before they can qualify for the Olympics their know as "bait" and Cecil was their coach.

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I still think it was a bad way to go, but I can't condemn the practice(trophy hunting), either. Hopefully he filled a few hungry bellies.



"Opinion: RIP Cecil the Lion. What Will Be His Legacy? And Who Decides?

By Dr. Rosie CooneyReprint | | printer.png Print | Send by email

Dr. Rosie Cooney is Chair of the Sustainable Use and Livelihoods Specialist Group at the International Union for Conservation of Nature


Lions, Krugersdorp Game Reserve in South Africa. Credit: Derek Keats/cc by 2.0

GLAND, Switzerland, Jul 31 2015 (IPS) - Cecil the lion, a magnificent senior male, much loved and part of a long-term research project, was lured out of a safe haven in Zimbabwe’s Hwange National Park last week and apparently illegally shot, to endure a protracted death.

As the global outrage pours out, consider for a moment that trophy hunting has now been banned across Africa. Trophy hunting is the limited “high value” end of hunting, where people (often the wealthy and mainly Westerners) pay top dollar to kill an animal. In southern Africa it takes place across an area close on twice the sum total of National Parks in the region.

Hwange Park staff numbers have been radically cut, and there is little money for cars or equipment for protection. Bushmeat poaching is on the rise and the rangers are ill equipped to cope.

It arouses disgust and revulsion – animals are killed for sport – in some cases (such as lions) the meat not even eaten. Even the millions of weekend recreational hunters filling their freezers are uncertain about trophy hunting.

It seems to have little place in the modern world, where humanity is moving toward an ethical position that increasingly grants animals more of the moral rights that humanity grants (in principle at least) to each other.

So let us move now through the thought bubble where the EU and North America ban import of trophies, Namibia, South Africa, Zimbabwe and others ban trophy hunting, the airlines and shipping lines refuse to carry trophies, and the industry dies a slow (or fast) death, ridding the world of this toxic stain on our collective conscience.

We turn to survey southern Africa, proud of what we have achieved by our signing of online petitions, our lobbying of politicians, our Facebook shares and comments.

Did we save lions? Have we safeguarded wildlife areas? Have we dealt the death blow to trafficking of wildlife? Have we liberated local communities from imperialistic foreign hunters?

Let’s go back to Hwange National Park, the scene of Cecil’s demise. The Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, responsible for managing this and other National Parks, is now in trouble.

It derived most of its income for protection, conservation and management of wildlife across the country from trophy hunting, with minimal revenue from central government (not well known for its good governance and transparent resource allocation).

Hwange Park staff numbers have been radically cut, and there is little money for cars or equipment for protection. Bushmeat poaching is on the rise and the rangers are ill equipped to cope. The commonly used wire snares are indiscriminate, and capture many lions and other predators who die agonising and pointless deaths.

In Namibia, more than half of the communal conservancies (covering 20 percent of the country) have collapsed, because the revenue from non-hunting sources (such as tourism) is not enough to keep them viable and they have not been able to find alternative sources of income.

Namibia’s communal conservancies are an innovation of the 1990s, and have been responsible for dramatic increases in a wide range of wildlife species outside of national parks including elephant, lion, and black rhino. Income from trophy hunting and tourism has encouraged communities to turn their land over to conservation.

Communities retain 100 percent of benefits from sustainable use of wildlife, including hunting – almost 18 million Namibian dollars in 2013. This money was spent by communities on schools, healthcare, roads, training, and the employment of 530 game guards to protect their wildlife.

Almost two million high protein meals a year were a by-product of the hunting. Now this is all gone. A few conservancies managed to find wealthy philanthropic donors to prevent them going under – but they cross their fingers that the generosity will continue to flow for decades to come.

Game guards are unemployed, unable to feed their families, looking for any opportunity to obtain some income. Communities are angry – they were never asked by the world what they thought about this. Few journalists or social media activists ever reflected their side of the story. Conservation authorities and communities are again becoming enemies.

Where the conservancies have collapsed, the wildlife is largely wiped out. The bad old days pre-reform have returned, and wildlife is worth more dead than alive.

Hungry bellies are fed with poached bushmeat and the armed poaching gangs have moved in – communities are no longer interested in feeding information to police to help protect wildlife, game guard programmes have collapsed for lack of funds and have spare targeted to supply the criminal syndicates, and rhino horns, lion bone, and ivory are being shipped out illicitly to East Asia.

In South Africa, trophy hunting has stopped, including the small proportion that was “canned”. On the private game ranches that covered some 20 million hectares of the country, though, revenues from wildlife have effectively collapsed.

Those properties with scenic landscapes that are close to major tourist routes or attractions and have good tourism infrastructure are surviving on revenues from phototourism, but gone are the days of expanding their wildlife asset base by buying land and restocking this with additional wildlife. Most of the other landowners have returned to cattle, goats and crop farming in order to educate their children, run a car, pay their mortgages.

Wildlife on these lands has largely gone along with its habitat – back to the degraded agriculture landscapes that prevailed before the 1970s when wildlife use by landholders (including hunting) became legal here.

Lions that were on these farmlands are long gone, and the few that remain in national parks are shot as problem animals as soon as they leave the park. The great conservation success story of South Africa is rapidly unravelling.

Speculative? Yes, but a reasonable prediction, because this has happened before. Bans on trophy hunting in Tanzania 1973-1978, Kenya in 1977 and in Zambia from 2000-2003 accelerated a rapid loss of wildlife due to the removal of incentives for conservation. Early anecdotal reports suggest similar patterns are already happening in Botswana, which banned all hunting last year.

Let us mourn Cecil, but be careful what we wish for.

*Note: these views are the writer’s and do not necessarily represent those of IUCN.

Edited by Kitty Stapp"

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Here's how one person reacted (or maybe overreacted) ...

In Washington, U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., announced the "Conserving Ecosystems by Ceasing the Importation of Large (CECIL) Animal Trophies Act," which would expand import bans to species proposed for listing as threatened or endangered, as well as those already listed as endangered.

"The logic is that if you keep killing them, they will become endangered," Menendez spokesman Steven Sandberg said Sunday.

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