Where does gold come from? with AZ Nugget Bob...

[LukeJ]

getting deep Mark....

Looking forward to the interesting conversations around the fire at the November outing !!

...and I agree with Bill, this thread is highly educational. Thanks to all the contributors

[AzNuggetBob]

Sorry guys didnt mean to keep you waiting. I know what cabin fever can do. and yes "gold is where you find it" but one thing I noticed is the people that know more about it, find more gold. AzNuggetBob

[Old Tom]

HUH???

Old Tom

[AzNuggetBob]

Old Tom, I was just quoting the old saying not out of their comments and I think he's (Mark) just kiddin around anyway. AzNuggetBob

[Old Tom]

Old Tom

[AZMark]

Way too much coffee and cabin fever.

[AzNuggetBob]

I've noticed terraces partway up slopes in some areas that could be old stream channels, related to existing intermittent stream drainage..

Weaver Hillbille

I was just wondering if you've had a chance to explore these old terraces you mentioned. was there any rounded gravels? sometimes their caused by a cross-cutting sheet of bedrock or dike of harder rock, or even an bedrock intrusion rather than an old river bed. I've seen these hillside benches act as a trap for nuggets eroding down from a vein above creating a nugget patch.

AzNuggetBob

[AZMark]

I should explain a bit where I was coming from with the quantum/standard model.

It feels like nugget hunting is relative to "particle" behavior, in that there are higher probability areas to search, tailings, below outcroppings, etc...unpredictable

The standard model, is more of a sure thing, like cleaning out a section of a wash, following a vein- being more predictable (to a degree) Unless Boulderdash and Adam were there first, then you're SOL.

And the grasshopper reference is to a show called "kung Fu" meaning I'm a student amongst masters...

My mind is more visual, so analogies work better for me.

P.S. Yes, it was just coffee... Anyway, back to you, Master Po (Kung Fu reference)

[Andyy]

AZMark... I hear ya. Get yourself a few shots of expresso and suddenly you start channeling Stephen Hawking. Next thing you know you're talking about black holes and dark matter.

P.S. I get the Chinaman references

[weaver hillbille]

Weaver Hillbille

I was just wondering if you've had a chance to explore these old terraces you mentioned.

AzNuggetBob

Yes, Just one terrace I have explored on our place, another , I just spotted on an adjoining parcel that contours around the jumble of the mountainside.

I just recently acquired a lighted ,20 power, loupe. I endeavor to take it with me to use in the field - next time. ANd maybe get a backup, 10 power at the swap meet next week,$3-$8 makes losing one relatively painless.

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"sometimes their caused by a cross-cutting sheet of bedrock or dike of harder rock, or even an bedrock intrusion "

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Yes , that makes sense.

or natural joint plane in the granodiorite or dormant fault line?

Edited August 30, 2015 by weaver hillbille

[AzNuggetBob]

Hey all been over in Cali. lets see if we cant jump start this thread again.
Known gold deposits?
Let me give you guys and gals a tip. I figured this out taking a new look at my old books. many people rely on some of the old updated known placer deposit books in a given state out there. many of these were based on original USGS reports.
If you have followed my posts I talk about thinking out of the box. For example If you look at the older editions of placer mining in Az. etc.
you'll find that some of the"KNOWN" areas have been excluded from the newer higher gold production ones. deemed not significant to include by Maureen Johnson or by her editors.
 so I hunted old editions.
I hunted some of these areas and found no significant deposits, but a half oz.to 2 ozs" of nuggets with a detector was well worth tracking them down.
It's out there. AzNuggetBob

[H-2 Charlie]

Hey bob , where abouts you cali hunting ?

[AzNuggetBob]

Charlie
 I was over in the Palm Springs area. The gold there was generally small. not real well suited for detecting.
better for drywashing. AzNuggetBob

[Tortuga]

On May 18, 2016 at 2:11 AM, AzNuggetBob said:

Hey all been over in Cali. lets see if we cant jump start this thread again.
Known gold deposits?
Let me give you guys and gals a tip. I figured this out taking a new look at my old books. many people rely on some of the old updated known placer deposit books in a given state out there. many of these were based on original USGS reports.
If you have followed my posts I talk about thinking out of the box. For example If you look at the older editions of placer mining in Az. etc.
you'll find that some of the"KNOWN" areas have been excluded from the newer higher gold production ones. deemed not significant to include by Maureen Johnson or by her editors.
 so I hunted old editions.
I hunted some of these areas and found no significant deposits, but a half oz.to 2 ozs" of nuggets with a detector was well worth tracking them down.
It's out there. AzNuggetBob

Not sure where I would start with research on this. You're saying look up original editions of the Johnson and Wilson books because sections with smaller gold deposits were left out of the newer ones? Or are you saying look up the older journals the Johnson and Wilson books were based on?

There's several small placer areas in Arizona I've been trying to do research on but the internet searches only bring me back to the Johnson and Wilson books. The major university's catalogs are searchable online as well and so far I haven't come up with much in them either. 

[AzNuggetBob]

9 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Not sure where I would start with research on this. You're saying look up original editions of the Johnson and Wilson books because sections with smaller gold deposits were left out of the newer ones? Or are you saying look up the older journals the Johnson and Wilson books were based on?

There's several small placer areas in Arizona I've been trying to do research on but the internet searches only bring me back to the Johnson and Wilson books. The major university's catalogs are searchable online as well and so far I haven't come up with much in them either. 

Tortuga
The originals were by Eldred D.Wilson and where originally published by the University of Arizona, Arizona Bureau of mines.
If you can get your hands on an original edition or find an online version in USGS publication of Placer mining in Az. Nv. Ca. etc. you will find many placer gold mine locations that was considered not significant to print in Mureen Johnsons newer edition placer books. JMO but what they considered significant back then and now are a lot different by today's mining standards.
Here is a photo of one from 1927 out of my library. sorry for the confusion and thanks for the question.
AzNuggetBob

Edited May 21, 2016 by AzNuggetBob

[Tortuga]

Gotcha. I've read both of the Arizona books and yep, Johnson left some stuff out. The large map in the Wilson book doesn't even come in the newer reprints they sell on Amazon so it's worth tracking the old ones down.

I also really like the three History of Mining in Arizona volumes. Those can be tough to track down too but I know where to look 

[Andyy]

Personally, I never really considered where gold had come from.  I always just imagined that the earth was a ball of all molten metals at one time until the crust formed. The meteor theory I do not buy.  Just not enough gold meteors falling from the sky.  But once I started reading this thread about igneous and metamorphic rock types, stuff I completely ignored in school as boring, and started finding a few pieces of gold, your mind really starts to wonder about all of this.   Now I try to identify the rock types and contact zones as well as how  erosion may have happened over time.  To this I thank AzNuggetBob for sparking my interest.  Not to get all sentimental and stuff but this was one of the first threads that charged my interest of gold.  Kudos to AzNuggetBob (and the many others) for sharing your learnings.  Hope to meet you some day and thank you in person.

Edited May 21, 2016 by Andyy

[AzNuggetBob]

Thanks Andy
I really appreciate your comment. these days I dont get out swinging nuggets as much as I used too. I have other things goin on, but its nice to know you guys appreciate my writings.
I was impressed with the positive response about me posting comments again that I received the other day after not posting for months.
Its fun to share some of my adventures, finds or just things I've learned about gold over the years and share some tips to help you guys find more gold.
Just remember most every nugget ya find detecting leaves a trail and tells its own story once you learn how to read it.

AzNuggetBob

[Au Seeker]

On 5/21/2016 at 1:46 AM, AzNuggetBob said:

Tortuga
The originals were by Eldred D.Wilson and where originally published by the University of Arizona, Arizona Bureau of mines.
If you can get your hands on an original edition or find an online version in USGS publication of Placer mining in Az. Nv. Ca. etc. you will find many placer gold mine locations that was considered not significant to print in Mureen Johnsons newer edition placer books. JMO but what they considered significant back then and now are a lot different by today's mining standards.
Here is a photo of one from 1927 out of my library. sorry for the confusion and thanks for the question.
AzNuggetBob

Here's an online source for the above bulletin Bob mentioned, many such documents can be found at the same Arizona Government site, "Arizona Document Repository". 

http://repository.azgs.az.gov/sites/default/files/dlio/files/nid1218/b-124_az_gold_placers.pdf

Link to the Arizona Document Repository main page.

http://repository.azgs.az.gov/

[Wildblue]

As someone who make gold and precious metals I have an opinion on the matter.

In short molten crystalline elements act as a phase step down trap for super light. Super light is C squared to the 16th power. It normally travels throw pretty much everything. Normal light is 186,000 miles/sec and superlight is 34.6 billion miles/second.

The 13 year old kid with the 3 DVD video set Movie, "The Matrix" has a better functioning relationship with reality than our PhD's (and a better education).

Very confusing question until the real question is asked, "What is my functioning relationship with reality". Asked it a bit late myself, 60 years old and after that the problems plaguing me in the lab were solvable. To see me making gold go to:

 Before all you "big bang boys" start pissing on my brain..... get a life.

[Wildblue]

sorry about the typos

[weaver hillbille]

10 hours ago, Wildblue said:

34.6 billion miles/second.

 

 Wildblue,     THe one reference I found regarding the above is from, http://www.outerspacecentral.com/relativity_page.html

 

 a search for superlight is just too clouded with off topic  hits.    Do you have a link for 'homework'?  Ok, I found something here 

https://sites.google.com/site/appliedbiophysicsresearch/magnets-and-magnetic-flux-energy/dr-john-milewski-magneto-electric-radiation-and-super-light

 I believe you are the first to broach this 'tributary', shall we say, on the subject... I've never heard/seen that figure mentioned before, but then I'm not a "big banger" or alchemist.

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YOu wrote,,"  Super light is C squared to the 16th power. It normally travels throw pretty much everything. Normal light is 186,000 miles/sec and superlight is 34.6 billion miles/second. "

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I'm thoroughly confused. Are your units off?  CAn you elaborate or do you like being obtuse? Help.

 

 POssibly, if you wish to elaborate, further, you could start a Wldblue SUperlight Mining, thread.    Thinking outside the box never hurt anyone( all we did as kids, as I recall).

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2016 by weaver hillbille

[Wildblue]

Weaver,

34.6 billion is C squared and yes the Milewski paper is the one you want. John says the black hole jets shoot this out and the interferometry beams provide the energy metal making. It was perplexing to see the precious metals in crucible with only a 1200 watt microwave and the hopeless energy values.

I think I'll pass on starting a thread for the time being. For now its enough to say conclusively from repeated lab trials that NANO/LENR Technology provides a pathway to metal production and this will live large in our future.  The ore genesis models proposed over the years have always been contentious ie huge placer stream nuggets are found supposedly down stream from some quartz vein dyke that is never found. Yet in hard rock mining we never see sample specimens any where near that size. Once the big bang blinders come of its literally a whole new world and stuff is made up of nothin (encoded energy) with our neuronet interpretations.

Aether is my preferred terminology as it honours the work of good men who have come before us. They were misunderstood by the PH'D simpletons of the day and still are.  When I say a functioning relationship with reality is prerequisite, this includes an ontological clarification (we are practicing human doings when we could actually "be", human beings), quantum integration, and especially good grounding.  And if you really want to get with it, activate your atrophied golden pituitary and pineal glands. The ancients had this brain boosting capacity and we are stumbling along in our hubris at pitifully low bandwidths.

Edited May 23, 2016 by Wildblue

[AzNuggetBob]

On 5/22/2016 at 3:59 PM, Au Seeker said:

Here's an online source for the above bulletin Bob mentioned, many such documents can be found at the same Arizona Government site, "Arizona Document Repository". 

http://repository.azgs.az.gov/sites/default/files/dlio/files/nid1218/b-124_az_gold_placers.pdf

Link to the Arizona Document Repository main page.

http://repository.azgs.az.gov/

Thanks for the links Au Seeker.

AzNuggetBob

[Au Seeker]

I had a little time to kill so I just re-read this entire topic looking for references on lightning for Luke J.

That being said I would recommend that anyone planning on going out looking for gold that hasn't or doesn't go out that often and or doesn't seem to find gold that often read or re-read this topic, it's loaded with great info and a little speculation on where or what to look for to find that elusive yellow metal. it just may change your luck on your next outing!!