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:old: H.R. 2954, Public Access and Land Improvement Act, Feb. 5, 2014

H.R. 2954 would require the Department of the Interior (DOI) to convey certain federal lands or interests in federal lands to local governments. The bill also would prohibit the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) from acquiring new lands until the agency creates a public database of all BLM lands identified for disposal. Finally, the bill would require the Secretaries of the Interior and Agriculture to change the way they manage certain federal lands and resources.

Based on information provided by the affected agencies, CBO estimates that implementing the bill would cost $11 million over the 2014-2019 period, assuming the availability of appropriated funds. In addition, CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 2954 would reduce direct spending by $5 million over the 2014-2024 period; therefore, pay-as-you-go procedures apply. Enacting the legislation would not affect revenues.

Full Report at - http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45081?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_content=812526&utm_campaign=0

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How do they incur Cost? Cost of What? It's going to cost 11 million to tear up and dispose of some Regulation books?

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The last thing this bill is, is improvement for public access. At this time the last entity you want to own public land is the state of Kalif. Most of the time the title of a congressional bill is just the opposite to what it will accomplish. This also has some very evil implications for Nev. with Harry Reed & family posed to profit immensely.

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Yeah, just try to dig a hole on state land......

Exactly. I like Doc Hastings but we all know that the name of the bill tends to be not what it is about. In this case, if lands that are now publicly accessible under federal jurisdiction, it is most likely there will be changes when the states take over. While some of this land will be opened up for development, the rest will most likely be more restricted,

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Fellers this bill is one of the few good ones. By public access they mean the right

to manage fire or bug salvage ,and doing the job they get paid for,without letting the

greenies protest their actions. The land thing is just oddball pieces and plots that

can be transferred to cities ,counties or other local governments,for their use. In

other words public access is a term for multiple use management,without having to

fight the greenies.

As it is now,the greenies start law suits ,before the smoke clears on a fire,to limit

or eliminate any common sense salvage or cleanup. We have millions of board feet

of prime timber rotting on the ground ,instead of being sold or used,because of these

loons. In the meantime no tree planting,erosion controll or anything else can be done

without fighting these lunatics.

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I read that sawmill. What they have planned is good IMHO. Lots of good can be done with federal land. The act also calls for creating a database of other property controlled by the Fed "for disposal". That could open the door to more good deals but also to back room deals and paybacks and under this administration I would be skeptical.

I see the greenies are already up in arms about the Cape Hatteras plan.

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Slim

It calls for a data base for all the odd bits and pieces ,before the Fed can aquire any

more land. In other words they want to get rid of all the problem bits and pieces ,that is

just a hassle to manage now.

Some cities and small towns have these small fractions of BLM land ,that just creates

a mess for planning or zoning. Sometimes these can scuttle a whole project ,and are just

a pain in the butt. As it now stands,it takes an act of congress to buy or trade those plots.

Most are cut off by private or other lands, and pretty worthless as they set,and just cost

the feds money to fool with.

The thing to worry about now is monuments. Obama can steal millions of acres with just

a signature ,he ain't shooting for a few lousy acres here and there. I suspect that on his

last day,as he leaves the office,he will have that pen in one hand,and flipping us the bird

with the other too.

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I agree, and obama has said he wants to establish monuments.

My first visit to any BLM land was in SD. There are a few small, worthless pockets of BLM land there. The state has all the campgrounds locked up and doesn't allow overnight camping in many places so I located a couple BLM pieces on the map. Some were accessible by road but there was no way to get a 35' RV on them let alone be level.

As far as I can see, any parcel without public access should be auctioned off to the highest bidder or given to the state or county.

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You do know there are vast landlocked pieces throughout the west? Sabinoso wilderness? My God man! You just figure we ought to sell all of that landlocked public land off??

That is so incredibly clueless it is beyond debating.

Would "vast pieces" be like "bits"?

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Millions of acres Slim.

http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/wilderness/sabinoso.html


Access is a big issue. It would be a huge loss to the people to just give it away or sell it for scrap. BLM is our birthright man! We need MORE public land. NOT LESS.

For crying out loud half the SFNF is landlocked behind private land. The Gila too. Why the hell would anyone advocate getting rid of this land? It just does not make sense at all.

What would happen if we let some insanely wealthy man buy this like the rest of New Mexico? We would be paying him to hunt on land that was public. Just like another Bell Ranch or Diamond Bar that now makes a fine living charging people for what once belonged to them.

Talk about SOCIALISM. The government selling public land rather than working to provide access. Now here is one smart idea! About as smart as a box of rocks if you ask me.

...the landlocked BLM land in the Permian Basin is the richest gas field in the US. How about we make a smoking deal with the Koch brothers because Dakota Slim sees no value in it if he can't get his 35 foot camper in there to pan gold.....

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Oddball pieces and parcels?? Like claims?? Hard-if not even possible to trust this stinkn' foul crooked government anymore. Give kalif a inch and the &^t$dWW will close it.....must read more to deconvalute this mess... :Just_Cuz_06: ...John

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Not oddball pieces like claims.

You guys better take a look at a land ownership map of the west. The idea that there are so few landlocked acres it dosent matter is very naieve.


The maps are all on the net. I suggest you scan them and see just how much of the public's resources that you advocate being sold as scrap because YOU don't see any value in it.


....I guarantee that many thousands of westerners DO see value in this land. It produces most of the funds in this state from oil and gas royalties, world class hunting and some of the most remote and beautiful landscape on the planet. Grazing leases alone add $6 Mil alone and all of it goes to our schools. Why just give it up and sell it? What would be the rationale for that?

There are lots of opportunity for land deals to grant access. They trade land and get new access rotes every day. Three notable instances here in the past few years. No doubt certain parcels need to be eliminated but not simply sold. They trade this land for access elsewhere. There are many pieces traded for private land as well as nature conservancy. The land is bartered and traded to make larer parcels accessable as opportunity arises.

White Mountain, Sabinoso, Conchas, Diamond Bar, Wahoo Peak, El Malpais, La Luz...All are areas that have access or are being worked on. To simply give up on these treasures and sell them to a wealthy man to add to his huge land holdings makes no sense. Working toward access makes good sense.

The database is basic management. The accessability to the public is just transparency. I would like to know when someone is getting a sweet deal on BLM land. Maybe I want to make a better offer. Maybe the public should know what the government is doing with their resources and who is benefitting?

$11 Million sounds like a lot of money. And it is to us. But our public lands are important resources in the west. The BLM dosent. even know what they own especially in areas like New Mexico and Nevada. So the idea that all this should be accounted for and put on a public database (like mining claims and grazing leases) makes good sense to me.

...I WONDER HOW MUCH LR2000 COST? Was it worth investing in publicly tracking surface use? Do you use the system? I think this is a great analogy because this is a mandate for a system like LR200 to track land sales and trades. At least that is the way I am seeing it.

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....I guarantee that many thousands of westerners DO see value in this land. It produces most of the funds in this state from oil and gas royalties, world class hunting and some of the most remote and beautiful landscape on the planet. Grazing leases alone add $6 Mil alone and all of it goes to our schools. Why just give it up and sell it? What would be the rationale for that?

This is not the land we are talking about Bob. :nutty:

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This bill could be a good thing, but politicians have too many "special interest" groups to pasify.

I really can see Kalif taking advantage and lockin' up the whole dang state.

Example, water purity and safety. In the interests of safe drinking water, NO public access or usage.

They'll use any little trick to gain more power/control under the "promotion" of "public health and safety".

...and don't forget the little fishies, frogies, and birdies. :cry2:

I say, "Use the frogies for bait to catch the fishies to serve along with the birdies. Yum.". :4chsmu1:

Just look what happened to dredging in the western states. :barnie:

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Here is what you wrote. This is what I am referring to. It is the statement that I am disagreeing with. Hopefully this will clear up any confusion.

As far as I can see, any parcel without public access should be auctioned off to the highest bidder or given to the state or county.

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BUT the BLM/FS/BoR already sell and trade landlocked pieces all the time. They swap/trade and consolidate constantly so this is really just a avenue TO ATTACH RIDERS TOO and cut this,fill that pork barrel and before ya know it that $10 mil=$500mil as it GROWS like a cancer to something it was never meant to be. NO'MO'RIDERS---John

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