nvchris 76 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Might be from The 1866 Henry .44 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frank c 969 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 OK now what was inside ???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nvchris 76 Posted October 11, 2012 Author Share Posted October 11, 2012 A very tiny map to the location of the bullet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt 188 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 That's pretty neat Chris. Did you find it in Nevada? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoser John 1,240 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 WOW talk about the holy grail of bullets,never seen one found,thanx much for pics-John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
~LARGO~ 17 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Hi Nevada Chris,Neat find, and apparently, very DEEP!I was metal detecting atop a high difficult to get to spot on the end of the Eugenes, found a couple of very old and very rough shape centerfire cartridges, one being a US 40 WCF, the other being a US 38 WCF. I had hoped for a gold find up there, as it is white quartz, for the most part.Side by side, the cartridges appeared to be ALMOST the same height, while the other being the 38 was slightly crimped, and contained some loose chunks of that very fine Nevada light colored dust, which had accumulated over time. The place was a perfect hidey place for an ambush of some sort, having a wide view of the lower terrain in almost all directions, and a small pocket wherein a person or two could stay out of sight while waiting for their prey, whatever that may have been.I wish I could know the rest of the story, as I am sure you do, having found this interesting double rimfire marked cartridge.Thanks for sharing!~LARGO~ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nvchris 76 Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 Matt,It is a CA find.Coolest rimfire I found! Seems like the dbl tap was thought up a while ago Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Dorado 964 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 If only it could tell it's story........Great find for sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
homefire 2,581 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Back in the day Rim Fire was not as good as today.Henry started it but others followed with the Double Strike Fire Pin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jim straight 187 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Hi nevada chris.... It must have been a disappointment to dig the hole and the sound was not gold.Nevertheless...it is a great find.WOW... great photos... I have several dbl rimfires that I remember finding on the eastern slope of theKamma Mountains near the Pershing/Humboldt county line. However they are different then the oneshown. The cases are shorter and the bases both slighty curved and the double pins are not roundedas in the photos shown as the pin indentations are longer and just narrow slots. One cartridge basehas a capital H in a circle, the other is in poorer shape and seems to be plain. Both are flattened andone seems to have been bitten. I have heard the expression, "bite the bullet," but never one to "bite thecartridge case." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeoJack 821 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Nice find. Suggest gloves and some Corn Huskers lotion at the camp when you get back. Those hands have got to hurt.Rick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nvchris 76 Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 It's the red dirt that fills the cracks and makes it look bad Rick.That and 30 + years of mining, carpentry, mechanic and concrete work I got gloves they ride in my back pocket keeps emm fresh! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nugget Shooter 4,614 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 It's the red dirt that fills the cracks and makes it look bad Rick.That and 30 + years of mining, carpentry, mechanic and concrete work I got gloves they ride in my back pocket keeps emm fresh!Very true Chris, if ya use them they just get holes in them and ya gotta buy more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fredmason 1,135 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Any cement finisher has hands that are tough and cracked like baked mud...nice cartridge...that type of junk is what is at the bottom of all my deep holes!!!I think I will give Chris a new name...NevadaPatchFinder...perhaps, ManyOZCHris...whatever, He and Wilma are great campmates!fred Quote Link to post Share on other sites
azdave 1 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) ETA: The "H" was Winchesters headstamp back then.I don't believe yours is from a Henry.The ones in the picture are confirmed Henry casings...note the narrow dual firing pin strikes, and the base is usually bulged. The 44 rimfire was pretty short, also. Edited December 3, 2012 by azdave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rimshot 181 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) U = Union Metallic Cartridge Co. which is owned by Remington.Chris i'm about 90% sure it's a .50/44 Henry cal. cartridge.If you ever have a question about headstamps on cartridges, this is the place to look. http://www.cartridge...r.com/usrim.htmBut if you are sure it's a shoulder and not just smashed it possibly could be a 10.4X38 cal. shot from a Vetterli swiss rifle.Rim Edited December 3, 2012 by Rimshot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
azdave 1 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Interesting...never heard of a 50-44 Henry.......Its typically listed as the "44 Henry" or "44 Rimfire", and less often as the 44 Long Rimfire or 11x23mmr.And I'm quite sure the Henry rifle was only produced in one caliber.The box top is quite unusual in that it lists the 50 like its part of the caliber, but really it is indicating "50" rounds in the box. There was discussion about that label long ago on another forum. Funny how they did things back then.The case length for a 44 Henry is .875....pretty short.I'm thinking Rimshot may be onto something with the Vetterli.The old cartridges are a ton of fun (with a little frustration) to ID......it really gets good when ID'ing the various Spencer's calibers, they're all so similar, dimensionally. I'll try to post a pic of the many various rimfires as well as the various headstamps from the era that I've found. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nugget Shooter 4,614 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Dang interesting thread you guys, thanks.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rimshot 181 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Dave,I'm not sure but the .50 could be the rim size on the Henry 44 cal. That box of shells is for sale. $1100.00.Also just about every rimfire I have seen have like a wedge style firing pin. Not round like the Vetterli.Also I found out the 10.4X38 is also called the .41 Swiss rimfire.If Chris sees a shoulder then here's what it looked like before it got blasted.Rim Edited December 4, 2012 by Rimshot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nvchris 76 Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Thank you so much for the updates.It does have a shoulder I opend it up and measured it (roughly) 1.5 long x 5/8 and 7/16 at the neck Edited December 4, 2012 by nvchris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rimshot 181 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 The box of 41 swiss say 300 grns. It was a heavy bullet Chris. A cannon...lol! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rimshot 181 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Thank you so much for the updates.It does have a shoulder I opend it up and measured it (roughly)1.5 long x 5/8 and 7/16 at the neckSo that's what the 38 means in 10.4X38. 1.5"=38.1mm. Interesting for sure. I also read a few gun manufacturers over here in the states actually produced some of the old Swiss rifles. Most of the original Swiss Vetterli were manufactured back in the 1800's.Hard to imagine a rimfire shooting a 300 grain bullet...just blows my mind.YW Chris.Rim Edited December 4, 2012 by Rimshot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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