jim mcculloch Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Spent some time with a Riverside County Vector Control agent, he told me that there is a "new" species of rattlesnake in the Desert Southwest called the "lira." Anyone heard of it? Is this just a local name for a recognized species, or something new? Or just an urban leged? HH Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGTFDA Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Look out Ron! As of late you have been a snake magnet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget Shooter Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 That is not a species I have ever heard of in the USA, not sure what he was referring to????Here is a list of species in the USA and South...Crotalus adamanteus, Eastern diamondback rattlesnakeCrotalus aquilus, Queretaran dusky rattlesnakeCrotalus atrox, Western diamondback rattlesnakeCrotalus basiliscus, Mexican west coast rattlesnakeCrotalus catalinensis, Catalina Island rattlesnakeCrotalus cerastes, SidewinderCrotalus cerastes cerastes, Mojave desert sidewinderCrotalus cerastes cercobombus, Sonoran sidewinderCrotalus cerastes laterorepens, Colorado desert sidewinder[*]Crotalus durissus, South American rattlesnakeCrotalus durissus cumanensis, Venezuelan rattlesnakeCrotalus durissus durissus, Cascabel rattlesnakeCrotalus durissus marajoensis, Marajoan rattlesnakeCrotalus durissus maricelaeCrotalus durissus ruruima, Mt. Roraima rattlesnakeCrotalus durissus terrificus, South American rattlesnakeCrotalus durissus trigonicus, Rupunini rattlesnakeCrotalus durissus unicolor, Aruba Island rattlesnakeCrotalus durissus vegrandis, Uracoan rattlesnake[*]Crotalus enyo, Baja rattlesnakeCrotalus enyo cerralvensis, Cerralvo Island rattlesnakeCrotalus enyo enyo, Lower California rattlesnakeCrotalus enyo furvus, Rosario rattlesnake[*]Crotalus horridus, Timber rattlesnake[*]Crotalus intermedius, Mexican small-headed rattlesnakeCrotalus intermedius gloydi, Oaxacan small-headed rattlesnakeCrotalus intermedius intermedius, Totalcan small-headed rattlesnakeCrotalus intermedius omiltemanus, Omilteman small-headed rattlesnake[*]Crotalus lannomi, Autlan rattlesnake[*]Crotalus lepidus, Rock rattlesnakeCrotalus lepidus klauberi, Banded rock rattlesnakeCrotalus lepidus lepidus, Mottled rock rattlesnakeCrotalus lepidus maculosus, Durango rock rattlesnakeCrotalus lepidus morulus, Tamaulipan rock rattlesnake[*]Crotalus mitchellii, Speckled rattlesnakeCrotalus mitchellii angelensis, Angel de la Guarda Island speckled rattlesnakeCrotalus mitchellii mitchellii, San Lucan speckled rattlesnakeCrotalus mitchellii muertensis, El Muerto Island speckled rattlesnakeCrotalus mitchellii pyrrhus, Southwestern speckled rattlesnakeCrotalus mitchellii stephensi, Panamint rattlesnake[*]Crotalus molossus, Black-tailed rattlesnakeCrotalus molossus estebanensis, San Esteban Island black-tailed rattlesnakeCrotalus molossus molossus, Northern black-tailed rattlesnakeCrotalus molossus nigrescens, Mexican black-tailed rattlesnakeCrotalus molossus oaxacus, Oaxacan black-tailed rattlesnake[*]Crotalus oreganus, Western rattlesnakeCrotalus oreganus abyssus, Grand Canyon rattlesnakeCrotalus oreganus caliginis, Coronado Island rattlesnakeCrotalus oreganus cerberus, Arizona black rattlesnakeCrotalus oreganus concolor, Midget faded rattlesnakeCrotalus oreganus helleri, Southern Pacific rattlesnakeCrotalus oreganus lutosus, Great Basin rattlesnakeCrotalus oreganus oreganus, Northern Pacific rattlesnake[*]Crotalus polystictus, Mexican lancehead rattlesnake[*]Crotalus pricei, Twin-spotted rattlesnakeCrotalus pricei miquihuanus, Eastern twin spotted rattlesnakeCrotalus pricei pricei, Western twin spotted rattlesnake[*]Crotalus pusillus, Tancitaran dusky rattlesnake[*]Crotalus ruber, Red diamond rattlesnakeCrotalus ruber lorenzoensis, San Lorenzo Island diamond rattlesnakeCrotalus ruber lucansensis, San Lucan diamond rattlesnakeCrotalus ruber ruber, Red diamond rattlesnake[*]Crotalus scutulatus, Mojave rattlesnakeCrotalus scutulatus salvini, Huamantlan rattlesnakeCrotalus scutulatus scutulatus, Mojave rattlesnake[*]Crotalus simus, Middle American rattlesnakeCrotalus simus culminatus, Northwestern neotropical rattlesnakeCrotalus simus simus, Middle American rattlesnakeCrotalus simus tzabcan, Yucatán neotropical rattlesnake[*]Crotalus stejnegeri, Long-tail rattlesnake[*]Crotalus tigris, Tiger rattlesnake[*]Crotalus tortugensis, Tortuga Island diamond rattlesnake[*]Crotalus totonacus, Totonacan rattlesnake[*]Crotalus transversus, Cross-banded mountain rattlesnake[*]Crotalus triseriatus, Dusky rattlesnakeCrotalus triseriatus armstrongi, Dusky rattlesnakeCrotalus triseratus triseriatus, Western dusky rattlesnake[*]Crotalus viridis, Prairie rattlesnakeCrotalus viridis nuntius, Hopi rattlesnakeCrotalus viridis viridis, Prairie rattlesnake[*]Crotalus willardi, Ridge-nosed rattlesnakeCrotalus willardi amabilis, Del Nido ridge-nosed rattlesnakeCrotalus willardi meridionalis, Southern ridge-nosed rattlesnakeCrotalus willardi obscurus, New Mexican ridge-nosed rattlesnakeCrotalus willardi silus, Western Chihuahuan ridge-nosed rattlesnakeCrotalus willardi willardi, Arizona ridge-nosed rattlesnake [edit] SistrurusSistrurus catenatus, MassasaugaSistrurus catenatus catenatus, Eastern massasaugaSistrurus catenatus edwardsii, Desert massasaugaSistrurus catenatus tergeminus, Western massasauga[*]Sistrurus miliarius, Pigmy rattlesnakeSistrurus miliarius barbouri, Dusky pigmy rattlesnakeSistrurus miliarius miliarius, Carolina pigmy rattlesnakeSistrurus miliarius streckeri, Western pigmy rattlesnake[*]Sistrurus ravus, Mexican pigmy rattlesnakeSistrurus ravus brunneus, Oaxacan pigmy rattlesnakeSistrurus ravus exigus, Guerreran pigmy rattlesnakeSistrurus ravus ravus, Central Plateau pigmy rattlesnake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaimi Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Aloha guys,Man, that loooong list has gotten me all creeped out. Been really lucky over that last few years and have actually only seen three snakes my entire time out in the field. But then again I now have to wonder how many I have NOT seen. Looks like we all need to pay a little more attention to our surroundings from now on.Good luck and stay safe my friends.Stan aka Kaimi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garimpo Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Dang Bill that's more info than I wanted to know about.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Soloman Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Great Post Bill! We have 13-different rattlesnakes in Arizona, more than any other State - or Country..http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/arizona-rattlesnakes.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B. Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Hi Jim , Bill and AllJim he's probably a hick that don't know squat about snakes, but could be refering to Lyre Snakes which are rear fanged and mildly poisonous. They are sweetheart snakes and never seen one attempt to bite when picked up and handled. Lyre is pronounced Liar and are found through most of Az and southern cal. They do have a look of a blacktail RS at a glance from the vent up kinda, almost, maybe if your whizzing along at 96 miles per hour and the sun is in your good eye . Here's a linkhttp://digital-desert.com/wildlife/snakes/western-lyre-snake.html Happy Huntin John B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Dog Doug Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Thanks John, You did it again. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlakMagnet Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Any time JohnB posts I read carefullythere's always something to learn.Jim, howdy, how's it going?Long time no see, it's hard to get out these daysbut maybe later in the spring.Hope you are doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim mcculloch Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Bill, super posting, as usual. Here in the greater Yucca Valley/Joshua Tree area, we have six species: Crotalus Cerastes, Atrox, Viridis, Mitchellii, Ruber, and, of course, the real nasty, Scutulatus. Recently saw my first Mitchellii in RSC, nearly black, with the faintest of yellow dot patterns. Not aggressive. In the Dale District Rubers are common, also not really aggressive. The little guys with the big egos are the C. Cerastes Cerastes, Mojave Sidewinders. Flak may be the only one on this Forum who has seen my two sets of buzztail bite scars. Both were "blanks," no venom. (Whew!!!)John B, I'd vote that your are correct.Dave, will PM you my cell phone number. Just found your PM re: MMME, sorry for the delay in responding, Will explain laterHH to all. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget Shooter Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Thanks Jim, bout time you showed back up round these parts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank c Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Sure is, between Jim Smaller and Jim Mcculloch giving me tips I made damm good use of my GMT over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim mcculloch Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 Thanks gang, we now have high speed internet here in the boonies, will be posting here more often. Good to be back, It has been a decent winter AU season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Ron Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Yo Jim ... Good to see you back online after all these years ... I've well worn out the GMT I got from you a dozen years ago, but it sure paid for itself many times over and proved out to be a good coin machine too ... I'm looking forward to your posts ... Cheers, Unc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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