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Maybe I am a little behind on this subject, because it appears this happened back on Feb. 24th or so, but cant find any other posts on the subject, so I will ask...

I was trying to do some research tonight for an upcoming trip and just be sure where any claims are in the area and it looks like Geocommunicator no longer has any unpatented mining claim information. Anybody know what is going on with this??

I was checking out another forum recently and had found a "bridge" link sort of free download that somehow linked the Claim information from LR2000 and Geocommunicator into Google Earth. Downloads on it have been suspended because of this change awhile back I guess. I thought they had just done something to break the bridge so to speak, but after going today to look for myself, it appears the information has just been removed.

From what I can gleem from reading this website http://goldmapsonline.com/instructions.html sounds like they are selling the same sort of a thing I had found for free, but I am assuming what they are selling no longer works either now??

If anybody has some way around this that I can still find out some current information on claim locations please let me know so I can be sure to stay off of them...

Thanks

Jeff

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Jeff

There is several reasons that mining

claim info was pulled from the Geo Com.

None were budget related. It was causing

more problems than it solved. Actually it

was helping lots of people to violate

Federal mining laws,with ease of paper

staking,and claim jumping.

Also the data was so screwed up and non

current,it was causing lots of over filing

and trespass too.

The LR2000 is still working ,if you have

the claim names or serial numbers. Other

than that you will have to contact the

BLM or County for claim information in the

future.

Like all good things,a few bad apples can

ruin it for everyone.

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Last time I tried to use LR 2000 it would not except info looking up a claim by name or Claim Id Number.

I was looking for a claim owner to secure permission to play.

This has nothing to do with bad apples!

This is just making public info less available.

First it was GeoComm.

Now this. Jerks!

comminecache@minecache.com

Still has some functionality to it. At least you can find the Claim Name, and drive 50 miles to chase the paper.

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LR2000 still works the same way it always has, you just have to learn its tricks.

Best to print out ALL of the tutorial and keep it in front of you when using.

You won't get far with it unless you do.

They have not helped the situation at all. How the heck is a the average weekend prospector supposed to know if they are trespassing on person's claim? :eee:

Mike

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Hey Sawmill

Do you think it is really bad apples, or could it just be that the BLM and FS don't want people going in to areas that aren't claimed and stacking claims, with the high price of gold? That don't make you a bad apple. The big problem I see is that the BLM and FS is full of greenies and echonuts that have taken over the Dept of Interior. Like Salazar and his cronies. They do not want you in their lands and forests digging. Anything that makes it easyer to do that they want gone. The best way to destory some thing is from within, and that is what has happened. The BLM and FS that control these places has been flooded with these zealots. When I started doing this 40 years ago, The rangers and officers were more than happy to help you, Sometimes they would even tell you where the best places to prospect were, and if they knew that a claim was staked or not. Now the first thing they do is assume you are doing some thing wrong, and start busting your chops. I know, not all of them are like this, but there sure is lot of them that are. They used to stop and shot the breeze not any more. They sit out with high powered glasses and watch you and the first piece of rusty trash you pick up they come blasting up like a swat teams. They BLM has the data they just don't want our types using it to our benefit, because what we do is not PC. Just my 2 1/2 cents worth.

Keeper Swinging

CH

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Oldskool you might try www.minecache.com , if you haven't already,it overlays Google earth with location and claim name.

Gramps

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Colorado Oro

It is more complex than I care to really

explain,but I will throw out a clue or two.

Some great sounding ideas can turn sour,

when the legality is questioned,or they

cause conflicts,with existing laws and

rules.

Case in point. Remember the last uranium

rush a couple years ago? Well in just a

matter of days hundreds of square miles

were paper claimed from computers. This

is what lead to the claim moratorium along

the Grand Canyon and Arizona strip. The

same thing has happened in gold areas too,

all by speculators. Several mining claim

scams operate in the same manner. All are

in violation of Federal Mining laws. Most

of the time the claimant has never set foot

on any of the claims before filing.

Also the Geo.Com was never meant to be a

legal,or final guide,for mining claim info

by the public. Lots of people assumed it was

accurate and up to date.They acted without

going through proper channels ,or seeking

real time help and information. This has

caused lots of problems,for the Feds,and

legitimate claim owners.

As for the weekend hobby miner,you will

have to actually do it like we used to,with

real research,eye contact,and a little effort.

Hey I did it for years,before computers,GPS,

and cell phones.It can be done and does show

intent,and a business like attitude. The

mining laws are based on intent,discovery,

and follow through,for commercial purpose not

hobbies. I have never met a BLM geologist

that wouldn't answer a request for help.Most

County recorders are pretty helpful too.

I recently went back to a Forest district to

log a timber sale. They had a complete change

in staff in my absence. All new young guys,and

gals. I was more than a little concerned about

how they would be to work with. Best bunch I

ever worked with including the new LEO. :yuk-yuk:

In case John B reads this,the biologist lady,

alias bird woman,is a real babe and a sweet

heart to work with too. :thumbsupanim

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Colorado Oro

It is more complex than I care to really

explain,but I will throw out a clue or two.

Some great sounding ideas can turn sour,

when the legality is questioned,or they

cause conflicts,with existing laws and

rules.

Case in point. Remember the last uranium

rush a couple years ago? Well in just a

matter of days hundreds of square miles

were paper claimed from computers. This

is what lead to the claim moratorium along

the Grand Canyon and Arizona strip. The

same thing has happened in gold areas too,

all by speculators. Several mining claim

scams operate in the same manner. All are

in violation of Federal Mining laws. Most

of the time the claimant has never set foot

on any of the claims before filing.

Also the Geo.Com was never meant to be a

legal,or final guide,for mining claim info

by the public. Lots of people assumed it was

accurate and up to date.They acted without

going through proper channels ,or seeking

real time help and information. This has

caused lots of problems,for the Feds,and

legitimate claim owners.

As for the weekend hobby miner,you will

have to actually do it like we used to,with

real research,eye contact,and a little effort.

Hey I did it for years,before computers,GPS,

and cell phones.It can be done and does show

intent,and a business like attitude. The

mining laws are based on intent,discovery,

and follow through,for commercial purpose not

hobbies. I have never met a BLM geologist

that wouldn't answer a request for help.Most

County recorders are pretty helpful too.

I recently went back to a Forest district to

log a timber sale. They had a complete change

in staff in my absence. All new young guys,and

gals. I was more than a little concerned about

how they would be to work with. Best bunch I

ever worked with including the new LEO. :yuk-yuk:

In case John B reads this,the biologist lady,

alias bird woman,is a real babe and a sweet

heart to work with too. :thumbsupanim

A lot easer said then done.

It's better to know your neibor if you can.

These owners are 1000 miles from here.

Finding who owns what is a Major Task.

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Homefire

It doesn't matter where the claimant

lives. All land and claim information

is on file at the local BLM or County

recorders office. The County actually

has the most recent claims filed,on

record in most cases before the BLM

does. Both places can give accurate

information. It only takes a few minutes.

Not taking a few minutes to get accurate

information is a pretty lame excuse,when

the local sheriff hauls you away for

trespass.

A friendly visit with the local BLM

geologist can save you a lot of time

and money. It can also insure that you

are not placing your markers on ground

that will make your claim void,or get

you in a lawsuit. They have access to

all the records,and some details that

don't show up on your computer.

If a person isn't serious enough about

their so called hobby to expend a little

effort,to get it right,maybe they need a

new hobby.

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:stupidrb:

I might ad,.....

If you're in it as a hobby, why not join a club? There are some real good local clubs out there with some pretty good claims. :shrug:

Leave the ground to those of us who are prospector/miners. :miner:

All I'm sayin' is, if ya ain't gonna work it, leave it for those of us who will. ;)

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Cool Beans!

Clubs are good, unfortunately for me there all just too far away.

Even the GPAA claims are well away from my travels. They do have a good one around Cabio that is within reach.

Unfortunately, I don't have the funds to travel up to Silver City just to check Claims of interest or clear ground.

I found the GeoCom most cool to get my ducks together before spending what I have in the pursuit of sanity.

As you know, open ground is becoming far and few.

As for Leaving it to those who would work it?

Most of the claims, I ask permission to play on have had little to no activity in years.

It's Win, Win! They get someone to check out things for them and I get a place to find gold.

Hell most people I ask just ask in return, I report whats going on and maybe some photos with a report of what's found ware.

Good for me, Good for them.

I clean the places up.

Do what's asked.

And keep it between the lines. LOL!

Thanks for the Sugestions.

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If no one has claim to it you can go for it, and you don't have to file.

You're called a "Prospector".

If ya settle onto that "Special Spot", claim it and become a "Miner".

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Oldskool you might try www.minecache.com , if you haven't already,it overlays Google earth with location and claim name.

Gramps

Thanks Gramps! That is what I was looking for, I understand not a final authority or anything, but gives me a general idea and a good starting point

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