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This came in an email,

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And the text that came with it.

No more camping  or trail riding south of I-8.   

So, our government has surrendered and ceded part of Arizona to the

smugglers and cartels of Mexico???

This is a real sign here in AZ just off I-8. What do you think would

happen if signs like this were to be found back East? But this is just

backwater, flyover AZ so it doesn't count to the media and Congress, I

guess.

Folks, this nation better wake up and pay attention. This is only the

beginning of what you can expect in YOUR backyards.

 

This is not an exaggeration: I stopped hiking some of my favorite

mountains and canyons because of the smuggling dangers. Who wants to

carry more guns and ammo than water in order to survive in the Arizona

desert? That is what it has become. Maybe your state is next?

 

 It is NOT photoshopped! Photo taken

yesterday ... By one of the gun guys ....

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This came in an email,

post-861-127730127991_thumb.jpg

And the text that came with it.

No more camping  or trail riding south of I-8.   

So, our government has surrendered and ceded part of Arizona to the

smugglers and cartels of Mexico???

This is a real sign here in AZ just off I-8. What do you think would

happen if signs like this were to be found back East? But this is just

backwater, flyover AZ so it doesn't count to the media and Congress, I

guess.

Folks, this nation better wake up and pay attention. This is only the

beginning of what you can expect in YOUR backyards.

 

This is not an exaggeration: I stopped hiking some of my favorite

mountains and canyons because of the smuggling dangers. Who wants to

carry more guns and ammo than water in order to survive in the Arizona

desert? That is what it has become. Maybe your state is next?

 

 It is NOT photoshopped! Photo taken

yesterday ... By one of the gun guys ....

Chris I have seen signs like that, so I know its for real. I plan to go to the Buenes Aires parkland on Saturday to take pictures and see HOW they have closed it. These signs are an affront to every American and really do indicate that our Government does not care and does not want to protect us.

Have you ever seen one of these signs leading into Cleveland or Detroit? How about the south side of Chicago or New Yorks Harlem?.....No and they are every bit as dangerous at times. Jan Brewer is correct in what she is doing but she is not recieving any help. Sen Kyl is also correct, when he says that Obama is holding our safety hostage, in order to get amnesty passed for the Mexican masses. As I have said in the other thread about this, please everyone be careful out there. Go armed and try not to go alone.

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This one too.

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Chris, I used to really like going down south but to me its just not worth the chanch of running into trouble. Teri and I went down to Ajo last Jan., won't do that again any time soon! It does suck and your right, people better wake up!

Steve, Where did you see that one?

Bunk

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A friend of mine and Terry's took that pic on a trip to AZ. He is a Texas police chief. He was baffled by the fact that the routes are known well enough to put up a sign, then why was the route not shut down......

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I wonder why the routes arent "shut down" in Texas either? As a matter of fact they left gaps in teh fence there where the "routes" would not be blocked!

Did you provide your friend an answer to his inquiry?

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Frank C.....this would solve many of BO's problems since he doesn't care what Americans

think...

GOP Lawmakers Warn of Administration Plan to Grant Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants

On Foxnews...here's the short version....

Eight Republican senators and an independent group that supports tighter limits on immigration are warning that the Obama administration is drafting a plan to "unilaterally" issue blanket amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants as it struggles to win support in Congress for an overhaul of immigration laws.

The senators who wrote the White House on Monday say they are concerned that the administration is readying a "Plan B" in case a comprehensive reform bill cannot win enough support to clear Congress.

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it's all planed, by allowing pours borders, human/drug/$/gun traffic this is how to gain public support for comprehensive immigration reform (read blanket amnesty)

It's not just the border states, there was a ICE bust on I 80 right at the Rye Patch exit a few days ago netted 45 poor undocumented job seekers heeding to the Nebraska meat packer Hormel.

Hope your all learning to speak Spanish.

We lost thousands of square miles of land ....... without a fight.

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I heard that 1,000's of these illegals are coming to WA to get birth certificates and driver licenses.

One recently murdered his ex girlfriend less than 3 weeks after he was deported. That's right. It took him less than 3 weeks to come back in, illegally, travel 1500 miles to WA and murder her.

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I took this picture myself on I-8, 80 miles north of the border in 2008

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I heard that 1,000's of these illegals are coming to WA to get birth certificates and driver licenses.

One recently murdered his ex girlfriend less than 3 weeks after he was deported. That's right. It took him less than 3 weeks to come back in, illegally, travel 1500 miles to WA and murder her.

How does an illegal get a birth certificate in Washington?

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The same way OBAMA got one on, himself in HW. You pay someone! Grubstake

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Hey I just wanted to remind everyone that this weekend is National Wildlife Federation’s Great American Backyard Campout. So if you are in southern Arizona, please load up the kids and bring all your stuff! Camp out in our wonderful desert and please dont worry about anything!

There are no Drug runners, there are no armed lookouts, there are no illegals that will be walking your "backyard" and asking for help. Nope, its all been a lie and Arizona is really the safest state in the Country. Nevermind that there are Parks closed to you, its all good!

There is plenty of desolate land out there where you can frolic. There are even water stations set out for your consumption.

I hope to see you all out there for this National weekend......

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The same way OBAMA got one on, himself in HW. You pay someone! Grubstake

I was just under the assumption that New Mexico was the ONLY state that gave them driver's licences and I was not aware that they could get a birth certificate legally anywhere. I know that false ones can be obtained in California with the help of the Mexican consulate.

I had no idea that Wa. did this and I have been told by a very reliable source that they DO NOT. I was just wondering whether you guys were whipping yourself up into a sweat over more misinformation?

You see, I like to keep it real and so often on this forum I see false statements being used as propoganda to create fear. I believe that this fear is meant to manipulate people and spur them into rash behavior.

Rumors and lies would make us believe we are in dire danger of war. We are not. They would lead us to believe we are being invaded when we have fewer illegals now than we have had for many years. Rumors would have us blaming common people for the profits of the ultra rich. We just live on misinformation and the truth simply bores us to death.

1000's of illegals are not flocking to Washington state to get birth certificates and drivers licences. They cant get them there. Even in states like New Mexico where they CAN get legitimate driver's licences 1000's of illegals are not flocking. The only place ilegals are "flocking" is back to Mexico because the US is going through a dire recession and it look slike it is going to get much worse.

Face it boys. The truth is out there. Let's dwell in it rather than our active imaginations?

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I was just under the assumption that New Mexico was the ONLY state that gave them driver's licences and I was not aware that they could get a birth certificate legally anywhere. I know that false ones can be obtained in California with the help of the Mexican consulate.

I had no idea that Wa. did this and I have been told by a very reliable source that they DO NOT. I was just wondering whether you guys were whipping yourself up into a sweat over more misinformation?

You see, I like to keep it real and so often on this forum I see false statements being used as propoganda to create fear. I believe that this fear is meant to manipulate people and spur them into rash behavior.

Rumors and lies would make us believe we are in dire danger of war. We are not. They would lead us to believe we are being invaded when we have fewer illegals now than we have had for many years. Rumors would have us blaming common people for the profits of the ultra rich. We just live on misinformation and the truth simply bores us to death.

1000's of illegals are not flocking to Washington state to get birth certificates and drivers licences. They cant get them there. Even in states like New Mexico where they CAN get legitimate driver's licences 1000's of illegals are not flocking. The only place ilegals are "flocking" is back to Mexico because the US is going through a dire recession and it look slike it is going to get much worse.

Face it boys. The truth is out there. Let's dwell in it rather than our active imaginations?

Bob I agree about the misinformation and "keeping it real"....but let me pose this. For years we have relied on the US Government to keep us safe down here and in every other border state. Now you have a Socialist driven Government with a President that has surrounded himself with self acclaimed Socialists.

You have a President that has while bowing to foreign Rulers, has at least created the view that he wants to change America. The border issues are just a part of what is going on across America. But people resist change whether it is good for them or not. Whether you want to admit it or not, there is and has been a radical change in how our Government not only views the rest of the world, but how it views and treats us.

For us old school die hard Americans that went to war, fought for our country or at least served it, that radical change is just unacceptable. The perception is that we are being force fed this radical change, even though on the main issues like immigration, the majority of the American public has spoken.

With that being said, the missinformation and conspiracy theories are actually being given weight by the way our Government is handling each and every situation.

We are being ignored on the border.

We have had our lands closed to Americans, because our Government refuses to protect us, under the Constitution.

We have lost access to millions of acres of land.

How is the dredging working out for you in California....

How is the farming working out in America's bread basket?

How is the job situation working out across our country?

So many things wrong and yet the perception is that our Government does not care as it falls in line with their agenda to radically change our country. Hell old son, at the very least they look inept!

I begrudge no one on this forum their missinformation or their theories. We are being led to it. We are feeling helpless against the winds that are blowing. In time we will see what comes from all this.

But as far as our southern borders, I truly feel that we do not have that time. Today it was announced that the cartels are threatening snipers....yeah may be just a threat or more "missinformation"....but just the threat of that, changes the game.

We are, as a "free country", 234 years old.....How did we get to this level of fear? How did we as loyal Americans, allow ourselves to be led by the nose, so that all we have are our gripes and complaints and our missinformation? Its a sad time in this country.

I say anyone that wants to complain, let them....but instead of complaining about "missinformation", we should all try to provide the correct imformation and resolutions to the problems we face.

I love my Country the way it was, not the way its becoming and not being safe from foreign invaders is not Constitutional. Its not American. We are not safe.

God Bless America and all Americans

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Groovy. But things have not really changed at all here. Our government always has been, and still is neck deep in the drug trade and the situations are "business as usual" where I am concerned. Bush oened the borders for trucks adn allowed our precarious situation as it stands today. At least Obama is a coward who has done nothing. Nothing is better than a huge step BACKWARD.

Lead me not into misinformation, becasue misinformation is simply a lie meant to manipulate me.

I have always had a low toleerance for Bull*hit. I saw bulls8it and said something about it. Now everyone is all touchy because they like the taste so much. Groovy again. You fellows can eat it all up and beg for more. it is not the truth and it has no taste for me.

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Sorry you misunderstood me Bob. As I stated at the beginning, you are right about the missinformation. But I allow everyone on this forum the right to state their opinions, whether they are right or not. Yes there is much information out there that is wrong. But what I do applaude is that we are talking about this dangerous situation. That people on this forum care about Arizona and the rest of the border states, is important not only to us as Americans, but to us as Prospectors.

I guess what I am saying is that we are all adults that have the wherewithall, to decypher what is truth and what is not. It is my privledge to address the missinformation and try to offer a correction. I think people will respond better to the truth, when you can show it to them, instead of expounding. That is why I do try to show so many facts and support it through links to the truth. We are mostly OLD Guys on here that just dont take kindly at being yelled at....whether we are right or wrong.

But in the end..... missinformation being put out there is not as important as what is really happening here in Arizona and across the nation.

Please note that once again due to the severity of what is going on down here, I really want to thank the Mods for allowing this discussion. I also want to thank everyone for "discussing" this issue that affects us all. Our love of Prospecting is being threatened at every turn.

Life now is not about Politics and whether they are right or wrong....its about People. Its about Americans. Its about us....

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and then there is my wonderful state of ca. that wants to boycot AZ. what a fkn joke. the only thing keeping me here is my 84 year old mom othewise AZ is where i'd rather be. kinda like the green acres tune. i would love to see u all take away 25% of our electricity and not give ca. the 10 month extension on our traffic intersection cameras that they are asking for when the contract runs out. what a bunch of double standard douches we have running this place, i for one apologize for ca.'s behavior.

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Sorry Bedrock Bob. I meant to say driver's licenses and social security cards. They ARE coming to WA from all over the county because THEY CAN get them here. WA does not provide them with birth certificates however.

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Just my two bits here...If you don't think we are being overrun by Mexicans, go shopping in the two supermarkets in Wickenburg on Aguila farm payday... Wander up and down the aisles mumbling, "En estates unidos, es necessito para hablar engles, por favor" but be careful not to roll your shopping cart over the "anchors" running around, screeching, snotty nosed and filthy. ... Arizona has a real mess on it's hands ... Bummed, Unc

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Sorry Bedrock Bob. I meant to say driver's licenses and social security cards. They ARE coming to WA from all over the county because THEY CAN get them here. WA does not provide them with birth certificates however.

That makes more sense. They can apply for a SSN from any state though. Remember the SSN is a FEDERAL thing and it could only be GOOD. This means they are accounted for and will pay taxes on their wages. The dont get social security numbers like we do...theirs are "999" numbers and are specific to alien workers.

I thought New Mexico was the only state that issued drivers licences but I can surely be wrong about that. It is a double edged sword but I do see where it helps account for the people, control the chaos, and helps compliance with auto insurance. It does water down New Mexico's ID system and causes problems in that respect.

I honestly do not see how being able to obtain a drivers licence would atract 1000's of ilegals. Employment attracts ilegals. They are certainly not going to move to Washington State simply to get a drivers licence unless there is employment there for them. This is exactly why we should do something about EMPLOYERS who hire illegals before we shine up our guns and start shooting them on the border.

I guess being raised in an area where 99% of all residents are hispanic and almost everyone is billingual helps me to not be bothered when Spanish speaking people go shopping. I just dont mind seeing "filthy" kids playing in the aisles and having to dredge up a few Spanish words to communicate. This is a non issue for me.

I kind of like "filty" kids and they help me with my Spanish. They grow up to be such nice people and sooner or later they become adults and parents themselves. They become my friends and my kids friends as well as husbands and wives and the mothers of your grandkids. Those "filthy" people also become soldiers, employers, teachers, doctors and policemen. That filth just washes right off and underneath they are a whole lot like everyone else.

White kids get dirty too. They play in the aisles and you have to steer your cart around them. I see a lot of people lately that smile at the filthy white ones but they dont smile at the filthy brown ones. But most of the kids here are not too white and not too brown and they smile at each other. I think they know something that a lot of us don't.

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Well another shot has been fired across the bow of the immigration ship, by Obama. He has now named Harold Hurtt to be the Liason of ICE. This man has been a Police chief in Houston and Phoenix....he is an advocate for "Sanctuary Cities". So how does a man that advocates Sanctuary for Illegal people in our country, become the Liason of the countries Immigration and Customs Enforcement?

Does it not seem that our Government is telling us that we have open borders and we cant do anything about it?

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Well another shot has been fired across the bow of the immigration ship, by Obama. He has now named Harold Hurtt to be in charge of ICE. This man has been a Police chief in Houston and Phoenix....he is an advocate for "Sanctuary Cities". So how does a man that advocates Sanctuary for Illegal people in our country, become incharge of the countries Immigration and Customs Enforcement?

Does it not seem that our Government is telling us that we have open borders and we cant do anything about it?

Isn't is wonderful? :pukes:

In Texas, one of the congressmen is Sylvestre Reyes. He used to be the head of the El Paso sector of the CBP. He is personaly responsible for the 12 miles of "gap" in the fence by San Elizario. He fought valliantly for that hole in the fence. This is the hole that Ramos and Compean lost 15 rounds trying to kill a fleeing drug smuggler. This is also the hole where the violence is coming into Ft. hancock from la Polvadera (Valley of Juarez) Mx.

I forget his predecessors name but during his 15 year tenure was when the El Paso BP had several high ranking officials convicted of being Azteca gang members while also serving as BP supervisors! (Azteca is the enforcers for the Juarez Cartel). After his retirement he was deprted for being an ILLEGAL ALIEN! Yes! Then headmost dude in the CBP El Paso Sector was an ILEGAL ALIEN for 15 YEARS! After his time at least 20 CBP have been convicted of corruption and smuggling. Yessir...MS-13 and Azteca gang members in CBP uniforms waving trucks filled with drugs and people through the checkpoints, drawing a US government paycheck and living in huge mansions on the NE side of El Paso.

So to think a fellow who is pro illegal would be head of ICE is no big surprise. Maybe with any luck he has a tattoo on his neck that says "SUR-13" in script letters.

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