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This is BRUTAL! (Wisconsin)

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Hi all,

The weather is great, the locals great, the meteorite finds horrible. There are probably 25 professional meteorite hunters and most have not made a find. My advice don't come unless you've always wanted to see Wisconsin.

We have had more reporters than meteorite finds! Here is the latest article about Carl, Stan and myself.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/article_cf225d46-4b48-11df-bed3-001cc4c03286.html

Another ran Saturday (which I missed) that mentioned me and Hopper! I will be doing more interviews in the morning so more articles to come.

Here are two photos of today!

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Well good luck hunting! I hope you guys find some big ones!

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Yep,

My brother, dad, and I are back home in Clintonville (about 45 minutes west of Green Bay) WI and we are exhausted. We spent Friday Evening, Saturday and most of the day Sunday searching and sleuthing. Nothing. The gas station in Livingston seems to be the hotspot for finding other people and info. Alot of the locals are very friendly and will talk your ear off if you let them. The countryside in that area is BEAUTIFUL. Rolling hill after rolling hill, beef cows and little streams everywhere. Much different than up by Clintonville.

But like Mr. Meteorite says...not much in the way of actual meteorites. Im gonna do what most professionals wont do. Tell you everything I learned from the locals...because thats the one thing that really pissed us off and turned us off to this whole secret society of meteorite hunters...

First off. After striking out 1 time we had NO trouble getting on any farmers fields or property we wanted to. Just had to drive up to the house and ask. Most of them told us just dont drive on the fields. Personally most of the locals are of the opinion that if you want to walk your ass off go right ahead. And contrary to what some ignorant people were posting in some other articles Ive read...The locals are not hayseeds. In fact...they dont even have a typical "Da Yoopers" accent. They are just standard farmers. I didnt see a single 12-gauge shotgun the entire time. Most of them just wanted to see a meteorite if we found one. They never asked us how much money they were worth and just didnt seem to care.

Now, My dad and I got ALOT of info from different people at the Livingston gas station (again there is only 1). We had just about everyone tells us that the fireball went right over their heads and land 100 yards over there. Obviously that cant be. Its just that most people think it looked like it came right over head. The general consensus seems to be that most of the 2-3 known secret meteorites were found in the red circled areas in this pic...holymeteor.jpg

But thats just from the info we got from locals. There was only 1-2 hunters that would even give up any info and they were also just guessing from the info they had heard. It seems that this Terry Beaurdeux(spelling?) paid the farmer whom he bought his meteorite from to keep his mouth shut and not reveal his name. This may or may not be true. But if it is its a very dirty and underhanded trick. And going by how no one actually knew where these meteorites had come from it sure seems true to me. Im sure Ill be told that all is fair in love and meteorite hunting. But paying people not to say anything is a dirty trick in my book. On the one hand all the articles Ive been reading online say, awww, it's a shame that all the farmers are plowing their fields up and that it would be such a great thing for the sceintific comminity if people could find these meteorites... Then you have the "Pros" going around paying hush money...

All in all Id say this (my first official hunt) has really turned me off to this whole thing. Lots of misinformation and people paying "hush" money. Considering how vast of an area it is that people would be glad to let amatures know where to look. There is more farmland there than 1000 people could scour in 6 months. But yet no one wants to help anyone else out. You think they'd like an extra set of eyes and metal detectors but its all a greedy situation.

Enough ranting for me. I hope people find more. And I would really hope that people who do find them at least offer up the gps coordinates so an actual strewnfield map can be created. Because like I've said. There are more fields and pastures in that area than more than 1000 people could effectively scour in a LONG time...

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METEORITE BROS*** Thank you for your posts, they have been very helpful. I was seriously considering going to Livingston by myself but I couldn't find anyone to hook up with out there. I'm also new at hunting meteorites but I am a butt kicker in the business world and I can tell you for a fact that your efforts in Wisconsin were all American!!! If the goofballs in Wisconsin were smart, they would have approached you guys for another set of eyes. Better luck next time:)

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Made it over today. Was driving around scouting, looking for leads, talking to anyone handy. Seen a couple guys walking down the road, stopped to ask if they had seen/heard anything. Figured they were farm hands at first, that just got off work or something, .....turns out, that one was the original poster of this thread. Got permission on one farm, one wouldn't answer the door and two decided they were going to charge a hunting fee.... but didn't know how much yet.

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True story. I Called a Platteville hotel to inquire about a room. The first question the hotel asked me was, "what brings you to Platteville". I gave a honest answer and they said that there are people who would like to interview me and the chamber of commerce might want to speak with me also. When it comes to Meteorites, I am definately not an authority on the the subject and I find it hilarious when this kind of attention makes others feel special. My philosophy is to help people get what they want and you will get what you want 10 X's over. :twocents: The Law of attraction

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Hi all,

Rob Wesel, Mike Bandli, Jim Schwade and myself interviewed with the

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel for several hours today. The article which

will be a front page feature in tomorrows paper can be seen here

online. The reporter promised several pictures in the printed version

- so it should be good.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/91669604.html

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M-Bro...if you were making a significant part of your income from finding space rocks I doubt you would post directions to any good areas you found...it is no different than having a productive gold area or even a great fishing hole...once the word is out you won't have room to cast...

Ruben, it is generous of youse guys to give so much time from the search to be interviewed...hopefully, the publicity will open many doors to you...

good hunting

Fred

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M-Bro...if you were making a significant part of your income from finding space rocks I doubt you would post directions to any good areas you found...it is no different than having a productive gold area or even a great fishing hole...once the word is out you won't have room to cast...

Ruben, it is generous of youse guys to give so much time from the search to be interviewed...hopefully, the publicity will open many doors to you...

good hunting

Fred

Thanks Fred!

Hi all,

Here I am in a motel room somewhere in Topeka KS, reflecting on the

past week and I realized that I need to thank a few standout

individuals. First of all, thanks to Marc Fries and Rob Matson who

always give us the best information possible which in turn makes our

job easier. Thanks also to my entire team who worked tirelessly to

recover stones and then selflessly shared all their data. But thanks

most of all to Larry Atkins who knocked on more doors than all others

combined to secure the most fertile hunting grounds and to Mike Bandli

who led us in the right direction with his mobile computer/maps.

Without these two stars I venture to say our team would have found far

fewer specimens!

I just added pictures and articles to my site about this fall -

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/wisconsinmeteoritehunt.htm

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Meteorite Bros, glad it turned out as a bad experience for you and you didn't find anything. You got what you deserved! Here read some of the crap you wrote you whiny punk.

"My grumpy brother" "My old man snores like a chainsaw..." "So this sucks... All the usual lies and misdirection...No one wants to tell the truth and act like a bunch of 3rd graders protecting their favorite kickball from the younger kids on recess..." "Then you have the "Pros" going around paying hush money..." "All in all Id say this (my first official hunt) has really turned me off to this whole thing. Lots of misinformation and people paying "hush" money." "no one wants to help anyone else out" "its all a greedy situation."

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Frogmick I totally agree with you. The only thing I can gather is that this guy is frustrated because he didn't find anything. There were hunters out there who invested waaaaay more time and effort into this fall than he did and came home empty handed. Unfortunately thats just the way it is with meteorite hunting and I think some people just don't understand how difficult and challenging it really is.

Del

PS- Way to go Ruben! I know your team worked their butts off for their finds. Another adventure under the belt! B)

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Waaay cool trip and find Rueben. I've been following your adventures for a few years now. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing.

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Waaay cool trip and find Rueben. I've been following your adventures for a few years now. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing.

Thanks Del, and Micro..

and all,

I just wanted to say thanks to Karl Aston, Tim Heitz, and Joe Kerchner

for all their help as I forgot to include them by name yesterday. Tim

, Joe and Karl helped Larry Atkins and were also very instrumental in

helping our team make some great finds. Speaking of great finds I just

uploaded more pictures including Karl's fantastic find and other fun

wisconsin pictures..

here:

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/wisconsinhuntpage2.htm

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Thanks Del, and Micro..

and all,

I just wanted to say thanks to Karl Aston, Tim Heitz, and Joe Kerchner

for all their help as I forgot to include them by name yesterday. Tim

, Joe and Karl helped Larry Atkins and were also very instrumental in

helping our team make some great finds. Speaking of great finds I just

uploaded more pictures including Karl's fantastic find and other fun

wisconsin pictures..

here:

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/wisconsinhuntpage2.htm

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Does all your hard work include going to prime areas based on previous finds and buying exclusive hunting rights to their properties? Ive just had corespondence with another hunter from IL and thats what he said is going on. The group that is making most of the finds is paying farmers for hunting rights and athers are told they dont have permission to search. Even though Meteoririte bro was a little salty with his comments, he hit the nail right on the head.

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Well, another nubbie that has judged the Meteorite Community and found it wanting...so what if they get exclusive rights to PRIVATE PROPERTY...this is still the USA...

Ruben and many other Big Dog meteorite hunters have freely given much help and education to those willing and wanting to learn...your post is one reason why they won't come and play much...anymore.

Yes, I know Mr Meteorite can defend his own self...but, I can't stand by and stay quiet...

Fred

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Well, another nubbie that has judged the Meteorite Community and found it wanting...so what if they get exclusive rights to PRIVATE PROPERTY...this is still the USA...

Ruben and many other Big Dog meteorite hunters have freely given much help and education to those willing and wanting to learn...your post is one reason why they won't come and play much...anymore.

Yes, I know Mr Meteorite can defend his own self...but, I can't stand by and stay quiet...

Fred

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Its not knowledge or expertise that got results it was money. Farmers are paid to let a team on their land and they're paid to tell everyone else no.

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That is what America is all about. Selling exclusive rights to commodities on private land is nothing new. If you had coal, oil or even gold on your land you would sell the mineral rights in a heart beat for the right price. If you want everything to be fair then the government could take ownership of all minerals and meteorites on the behalf of the people…sound like fun doesn’t it! The farm fields belong to the farmers so therefore the rights to access the meteorites on their land also belong to the farmer. Who wants to pay big money for access to land when everyone else is getting in too? The amount of meteorites is likely to be very small so if you can pay to eliminate competition on a piece of ground then why wouldn’t you do so? If you want equal rights to the fun go to Disneyland and stand in line like everyone else.

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The same goes for ANY strewn field on private land. If the boys can get permission, they try to make it exclusive permission. If the owner does not go for that they try all sorts of tactics (including impersonating an official) to deter competition. If they cant get permission they hunt it anyway on the sly. They will tell the owners whatever it takes to get the edge. They will do whatever they can to keep any other hunters out permission or not.

Often the "boys" will wind up getting busted in a lie and have that permission revoked. Then they point fingers at each other and start a "blame game".

So it is really a free for all and whatever tactic you think you can use to snap up those rocks is O.K. Paying for exclusive permission is the best case scenario. At least the owner of the material is compensated in some way. In many other areas the owners have found out years after the fact that they have been taken advantage of and many thousands of dolars woth of material have been taken from their land under the premise of "hobby collecting".

Sad but true. It is just the way the game is often played.

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So as long as the Professional hunters dont go around saying this is all for scientific research. Cause thats a bunch of crap too. Thats what they tell the land owners to get on the land. Lord knows if someone went around telling the land owners what the meteorites were really worth they would let anyone on. I like how Ive read some reports saying that the meteorites found here in Wisconsin could go for as much as 5-10 dollars a gram....Right....Put a zero on the end of that number...

And the reason why I am posting is to let the amatures know the real scoop before they waste money and time flying or driving to wisconsin only to find they A...They either cant find where to look. Or B. When they do find where to look cant get on the land cause the Professionals have gone around and Paid the farmers extra money to not let anyone else on their land.

Just think of the guy from Minnesotta who brought his 2 little 8-11 year old girls to Wisconsin to go Meteorite hunting only to be told he couldnt hunt on any of the good spots. The little girls cried all the way home to Minnesotta... Hope the Professional are happy. But then again its all about scientific research and stuff....

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Hi all,

Not sure what the negativity is about. I only posted here because I thought you guys might want to know how things were going so that if you wanted to come up you would have the best/latest info. (A mistake I won't make again)

1. I invited many on this forum to hunt with me. Mike Morgan, Del Waterbury, Paul Desilets and Dale Romero (whom I have never met but still considered driving up with him and his son) Turned out my friend Stan was closer. But even then I gave him Mike Morgan's number so they could come together. I returned every phone call/email sent to me. If you wanted to hunt but didn't contact me? how can I even know you, let alone invite you if you don't? Did you send me an email that I didn't answer?

2. The largest stone found was 300 grams by Marvin Kilgore and it was found on the road. As were many other nice specimens, a 102 gram and several in the 7 gram to 10 gram range. Since only about 20 stones were found by hunters (not including a few found by land owners) odds were about as good walking the roads as they were paying Farmers.

So land locked up by those evil pro's shouldn't have been an issue.

3. I put out more free information and am resposible for teaching more newbies than anyone currently living. However, I am only one guy. I can't teach everyone. I get 1000's of emails per year, so if one or two get upset with me sorry, but I am only one guy.

4. Next time go.. Do what we do. Hunt and find a few or get skunked just like us. It's all part of the game. Sorry if it isn't what you expected. It never is, not even for us.

Look, there are other forums with more experienced hunters that I frequent. I only stay here to help, if that is not appreciated it's okay. Less work for me.

I won't argue or respond to this thread again as it never solves anything.

Good luck,

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I find it funny when guys look like gang bangers and try to act important. "Homies" need to go make some real money....the only celeb's in the meteorite hobby are the meteorite men. Case closed ;-)

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Hi Ruben,

I would like to personally Thank You for all your posts on this forum, and for all you do to further the science of Meteorite Hunting!!! Please don't let a couple of negative posts from a couple of crybabies keep you from posting here..... there are many more of us here who appreciate your posts and the information it provides. :wubu:

I'm guessing these negative posters have never been meteorite hunting before and they think that it's easy pickins. Before I found my first meteorite, I made 5 trips to Gold Basin and spent long days walking up and down the hills and gullies. Did I get discouraged....YES, did getting skunked make me more determined.... YES! After every trip I spent countless hours studying maps, reading forums, watching Mr-Meteorite videos on YouTube.... I did my homework!!! I actually found my first meteorite by going to a spot that I recognized in one of your videos and searched the surrounding area. Meteorite hunting is HARD WORK!!! :miner:

I also appreciate you taking the time to return my message about carpooling to Wisconsin. Although my plans fell through, your posts here and on the Met-list kept me inspired all week. If I had went to Wisconsin, I wouldn't have assumed that anyone "owed" me anything. I was prepared with my own maps and calculations and would have been able to contribute to the hunt. The Livingston event has opened my eyes to be better prepared for the next fireball event..... all part of the learning process. ;)

So, keep up the good work..... and KEEP ROCKIN!!!!!!!!!

Dale & Jason Romero :twocents:

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Well Rueben

I got a kick out of this thread, what did these hunters expect, did they want you or other to take them by the hand a led them to their first find? I live in the best area of the country to find meteorites, but I sure don't find them every time I go out. I have haunted with quite a few of the members on the board, but would not ask, please show me where you found your last meteorite.

I put in a lot of time in the fields, and just look at it as a great experience every time I am out in the fields, it does not matter if I find anything that even looks like a meteorite. I had a great time every time I go out you get to see somethings that others will not ever see, and It just might be so type of lizard, flower, or just a bug. It can't be just about finding a meteorite if it was there would be a lot of disappointed hunters. You don't find one every time you go out, and if you did what would the fun of it be? What some of these people don't consider is all the time guys like you put into hunting.

I have never ran into you out in the fields yet, but know that one day I will down in gold basin or Franconia or some where around the state of NV.

All I can tell these guys is go out and look you don't need anybody walking through the fields with you, and if you don't find anything today you got tomorrow or the next time you go out to look forward too.

Don't give up and one day to just might be writing about that big find of yours!

I spend the time with my wife or dog walking and talking about how our life is going or with good friends hunting for gold or meteorites, what more could you ask for?

By the way for you guys that have a problem with not getting led by the hand, try spending all the time these guy put in hunting and the money they spend, sometimes just to get skunked! Life is a bitch, and you only get out of it what you put into it, grow up.

Rueben and all these guys didn't learn overnight what they are doing. You can only be the best at anything if you put in the time.

Rueben and the guys on this forum put out some great information spend the time and I might be writing a post defending you!

Too all the guys that went on this trip keep up the good work, I hope that you all had fun even though you got skunked for the most part!

Rick & Connie

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