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Environmentalists have it WRONG about domestic mining.


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Environmentalists have it WRONG about domestic mining.

For instance, consider AGRICULTURE for a moment.

Reality is, agriculture in America has deforested more land than even the American logging industry. It has destroyed more habitant for animal species than any other industry in the world. Agriculture has caused more species extinction, than any other industry world wide.

Agriculture has caused more soil erosion, created more turbidly in America’s waterways, and introduced more degrading, or toxic pollutants of all sorts into the American environment, than any other American industry. Agriculture is the primary cause of more environmental degradation to the surface of whole planet, than any other industry, on the planet.

Do you know why major environmental groups do not promote well publicized frontal attacks the agricultural industry in America? Because it provides every citizen in America, with the food they eat, at a competitive price.

As such, the people of America, would not knowingly support attacks on the very industry that FEEDS THEM. A dramatic decline in national food production, or a significant increase in food cost, is NOT something the American public would stand for. To promote attacks on American agriculture would be political suicide.

Agriculture is very effectively supported, and promoted by our government, with all sorts of low cost loans, multiple federal & state subsidies, large tax incentives & significant tax breaks. Agriculture is so important to our society, it has its own large well funded division of federal government, the Department of Agriculture.

Alternatively, domestic mining provides this nation with every mineral the nations complete infrastructure, national security, and economy is built from, and totally dependent on. Without a consistent competitively priced source of domestic minerals, America could not even maintain its modern infrastructure, or economy.

Without mining, modern agriculture could not even exist. Resulting in a downward spiral of American agriculture, to the point Americans, and America as a whole, would no longer be able to feed itself. The eventual end result being dramatically increasing poverty, and near starvation in America.

All things deprived from domestic mining have a direct effect on every aspect of American life. Yet American, and politicians will support attacks the American mining industry.

Why is that?

It is short sighted, and foolish for the American government not to support domestic mining, the same way it supports domestic agriculture. Plainly, one could not exist without the other. The American economy, in every way, is dependent on domestic mining.

Why is it, there is no Federal Department of Domestic Mining? With publicity, support, funding, and clout equal to the Department of Agriculture. Every large modern industrialized nation in the world, has an equivalent, to a Federal Department of Domestic Mining, except America. It is simply illogical, America has no such thing to insure America can provide for its fundamental mineral necessities.

Certainly, the environment of America, is of great concern. However, even at a 3rd grade schooling level. Common sense mandates, there must be a balance of environmental concern, with an equal concern, that America provide itself with the basic fundamental necessities, derived from mining, to maintain itself. Otherwise, Americas infrastructure, economy, and position as a world power will decline at a steeply accelerating rate.

Please publicly support domestic mining in America.

Not only today, but for the sake of all future generations of Americans.

Please help this great Nation, by informing politicians of these vital concerns. :thumbsupanim

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I would say that it's more about aesthetics and ideology to them. The idea of growing food is more of a "natural" idea as opposed to cutting down tree's or digging up the ground to remove the gold. In fact most of what they hate about suction dredging is about aesthetics.

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Yes they much prefer them darn Indian Casinos--aaaaa nothing like the sound a slots ringing in between the fish drying racks in a cool predawn mist.As the sound of wailing resounds through the canyon as a broken patron must now return home and tell the wife and kiddies they have to move--aaa yes asthetics-NOT-John <_< SB670 had absolutely 0 to do with fish or biology just $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Yes they much prefer them darn Indian Casinos--aaaaa nothing like the sound a slots ringing in between the fish drying racks in a cool predawn mist.As the sound of wailing resounds through the canyon as a broken patron must now return home and tell the wife and kiddies they have to move--aaa yes asthetics-NOT-John <_< SB670 had absolutely 0 to do with fish or biology just $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And a bit of revenge!

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There is a close analogy between organic farming and suction dredging. Neither one puts anything into the environment that was not already there, they both stimulate natural processes that purge the environment of harmful micro-organisms [dredges stir oxygen into stagnant river bottoms while organic farmers introduce oxygen by turning over more than just the top layer of earth] and each tends to employ small scale equipment.

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There is a close analogy between organic farming and suction dredging. Neither one puts anything into the environment that was not already there, they both stimulate natural processes that purge the environment of harmful micro-organisms [dredges stir oxygen into stagnant river bottoms while organic farmers introduce oxygen by turning over more than just the top layer of earth] and each tends to employ small scale equipment.

Really excellent post... :thumbsupanim

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As such, the people of America, would not knowingly support attacks on the very industry that FEEDS THEM. A dramatic decline in national food production, or a significant increase in food cost, is NOT something the American public would stand for. To promote attacks on American agriculture would be political suicide.

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old gold miner, I beg to differ....the tree huggers have destroyed a big section of Californias bread basket by cutting off the water supply (over a fish)...& destroying farmers, farms,quality USA produce for Americans & jobs ....So we have to buy infierior food products from Mexico,South America & other countries.....so eating healthy just keeps on getting harder.....AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SLEEP through this... :twocents:

wonderer

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This kind of thinking is why the environmentalist

win so many times. This is nothing more than more

division that the environmentalist thrive on. How

many of you have farmed or actually understand the

crap that is forced on to farmers?

Farmers are one of the largest group of anti enviro.s

in the nation. Every land grab attempt I have seen the

farmers have been the most vocal against it. The Farm

Bureau is one of our biggest allies and supporters in

every fight.

The farmers have been fighting for their water rights

on the same rivers . Some had to let their crops burn

up because of so called endangered fish and lost huge

areas of productive land. Some have lost vast crop land

areas because of endangered mice and crap.

The same Agriculture dept also manages the forests and

minerals on them. Have they been fair in dealing with

timber or minerals ? Ask a farmer how they feel about

that fine agency. Better yet ask them about the Fish and

Wildlife folks.

Yes in the past agriculture did some damage,so did mining

and logging. All have made major changes though,and still

get held to damage they had no control over. Its a bitch

when you are blamed for something that was acceptable years

ago and done before you were born.

Check some facts ,most farmers now have switched to no till

methods,limited use of fertilizer,less polluting chemicals,

and conservative water use. The same agencies that give us

crap are also dishing it out to them.

Don't throw rocks at people,that support us. We need all

the friends we can get.

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sawmill,

The division of the groups fighting the (organized) environmentalists is that each have there own issues & they as a group can't get organised together to fight them.

Even tree huggers have been lied to (globel warming being the biggest lie)...Why are the polar ice caps on other planets melting...(maybe we sold them to many SUVs :rasberry: )

I worked at Climax Molibnum underground and openpit & from the old minning methods used in the old days to more modern mining methods we have come a long way..Still needs oversite.

We as a nation to remain strong have to strike a balance between being able to drill for oil, mining, growing food & protecting the envirment for us and future generations..

The lies & disinformation need to stop and both sides need to find a happy middle ground. :twocents:

wonderer

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:aw-shucks: Ya right--when the Damnedoldratz and the Rethugliscums start practicing bipartisian politics(when LL freezes over) we'll make some headway. Till then truth,justice and honesty are just buzz words to fill pages and minds with BS to continue the killing of the american dream. The great san juaquin valley-the breadbasket to the world(dead now) has over a 1/2 million fallow acres waterless, just another industry desimated my radical environutz hell bent to tree humping-sic sic sic-John EMPTY THE POOLS,CLOSE THE GOLF COARSES and we have bookoo water!!!!!!!!!!!!
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By no means was I knocking, dinging or throwing stones at agriculture, or farming.

They have their battles, but get support from lots of places.

There have been FARM AID concerts.

Never has there been a concert for mines, or miners.

(except around a campfire)

Hell, in 95, the US Bureau of Mines was closed.

They would play hell trying to close the Dept. of Agriculture.

The point being, there has to be a fair trade off.

Accept some slight environmental degradation, in return for food, minerals, industry, jobs, etc.

The Federal standard is no unnecessary, or undue environmental degradation.

NOT “NO” DEGRADATION.

Otherwise, there would be no farming, mining or industry at all.

California, is just shooting itself in the foot.

By passing extreme environmental standards that close farming, mining & related industry.

No mining, no farming, no industry = no jobs & no taxes.

And, they wonder why California is going broke, and running huge nonstop budget deficits. :inocent:

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:*&$*(: and the tree humping rages. Ain't it grand--no more Bureau of Mines means no more mining. That was akin to the museum closures that pertain to mining. The environutz have a many pronged attac--WITHOUT HISTORY THERE IS NO FUTURE :stupidrb: and no proof of what miners have contributed. Here in Redding we worked our butts off for many long years supporting our local REAL museum with donation only entrance fees so anyone could come and see their mining heritage. Yuppie city fathers wasted over $26 mill,built a environutz exhibit(NO MINING NOTHING)a glass bloody ^%$# bridge(1/4 to clean bird poop a year)and charge the public $16 adult/kids $12 to see a tiny arse envirnutz exhibit that takes 5 minutes to see the stupidity. I truly believe that miners do qualify for the endangered species list and I'll NEVER stop till I drop-John :inocent:

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