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Only thing I have been able to come up with on the internet from forest service and blm. Is that any prospecting equipment larger than 11hp engine/motor, or if i disturb a certain amount of ground (cant remember the limit) I need to submit a plan of operations.

Questions?

1. Why can you only use a 3" dredge on GPAA & ROADRUNNER PROSPECTOR claims.

2. {RoadRunners rules and regulations} EQUIPMENT - Dredge size is limited to three (3) inches on all claims where dredging is allowed, with the exception of those members grand fathered in on the Forest Service list for use of four (4) inch dredges. The dredge size is determined by the suction hose diameter

(What does grand fathered in on forest service list for use of 4" dredge mean) is this just roadrunner

rules or forest service rules?

3. What is the maximum size dredge I can use on blm or forest service land for placer prospecting.

4. What is the maximum size dredge I can use on blm or forest service land If I submit a plan of operations

If anyone knows the do's and dont's of dredging here in arizona your info would be very helpful!, if you do not wish to post Pm me. Thanks

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The regs. are easy to figure out no matter where your at. Call the BLM. They will be more than happy to accomidate you.

The 3in. reg. on GPAA claims is pretty much common sense, they dont want a bunch of people in there tearin sh$$t up!!!

Happy hunting-dont forget your baby powder!!! :laught16:

SteveT

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Only thing I have been able to come up with on the internet from forest service and blm. Is that any prospecting equipment larger than 11hp engine/motor, or if i disturb a certain amount of ground (cant remember the limit) I need to submit a plan of operations.

Questions?

1. Why can you only use a 3" dredge on GPAA & ROADRUNNER PROSPECTOR claims.

2. {RoadRunners rules and regulations} EQUIPMENT - Dredge size is limited to three (3) inches on all claims where dredging is allowed, with the exception of those members grand fathered in on the Forest Service list for use of four (4) inch dredges. The dredge size is determined by the suction hose diameter

(What does grand fathered in on forest service list for use of 4" dredge mean) is this just roadrunner

rules or forest service rules?

3. What is the maximum size dredge I can use on blm or forest service land for placer prospecting.

4. What is the maximum size dredge I can use on blm or forest service land If I submit a plan of operations

If anyone knows the do's and dont's of dredging here in arizona your info would be very helpful!, if you do not wish to post Pm me. Thanks

From the research I have done, Prescott forest is the only National forest that prospecting is allowed on. Then is seems like it is pretty limited without a Notice of Intent except in the mineral withdrawl areas around Lynx Creek where it is open to the public but pick pan and shovel only. I emailed the ranger station there and asked them about prospecting elsewhere in the forest and the ranger forwarded it too the forest mineralogist (as of Nov '08) Frances Alvarado falvarado@fs.fed.us The notice of intent is not much of a big deal though. Just a simple form... This was his response I got back from him.

Source: 36 CFR 228.3 (a) Operations. All functions, work,and activities in

connection with prospecting, exploration, development,mining or processing

of mineral resources and all uses reasonably incident thereto, including

roads and other means of access on lands subject to the regulations in this

part, regardless of whether said operations take place on or off mining

claims.

I do recommend that you file a NOI if you decide to use additional

equipment listed above. Unfortunately, our CFRs is not explicit as to what

"significant surface resource disturbance" is. Some folks may see

reasonable to dig a pit (3x5') vs. 1x1' hole. I would hate for you to be

inconvenienced by one of our rangers or general public. If we see that

disturbance becomes significant, your activities will fall under a Plan of

Operation-PoO where additional environmental analysis will be required.

Our forest has several sensitive areas with respect to wildlife and

restrictions if any are site specific.

Good Luck

Jeff

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Remember, he only recommended a NOI, he did not say it was required. Dredging in a creek does not create a substantial surface disturbance as long as you do not dredge into the banks and or kill any plantlife. A dredge is not considered as heavy equipment like a backhoe or dozer. If you are planning on a bit of dryland dredging, that would probably change the disturbance classifiacation.

Once you start a paperwork trail with the Forest Service, it can turn into a nightmare.... all depends on your District Ranger's agenda

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Suction Dredging requires permission from the Army Corps of Engineers. In Phoenix, please call (602) 640-5385. In Tucson, call (520) 670-5021. If using an intake four inches or less, it is recommended that you contact BLM. When using an intake larger than four inches, you are required to contact BLM.

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Remember, he only recommended a NOI, he did not say it was required. Dredging in a creek does not create a substantial surface disturbance as long as you do not dredge into the banks and or kill any plantlife. A dredge is not considered as heavy equipment like a backhoe or dozer. If you are planning on a bit of dryland dredging, that would probably change the disturbance classifiacation.

Once you start a paperwork trail with the Forest Service, it can turn into a nightmare.... all depends on your District Ranger's agenda

Thanks for the warning... I have not filed one yet, was thinking about it to do some drywashing somewhere up in the forest, when it drys back out this year, Probably around crown king or north or there, had not really decided exactly where though, Really just wanted to go someplace up there that I could use more than a pick pan and shovel. But since I finally broke down and bought a detector, I think I can go anywhere forest wide that is not already a claim or private property... and use it right, just fill in the divots.

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Really recommend you join a club to find out.  There’s very little water in AZ to dredge, and some of it is seasonal.  I’ve seen the hassunyumpa, normally a dry river with enough to dredge.  Same with the Aqua Fria.  Part of the problem will be finding a section of the river if gold bearing is not claimed.  I looked at the Agua Fria, and the miles I looked at was all claimed, and if not was private property.   One or two of those were GPAA claims,  which the club has since dropped.  If you had access to a club claim with water they could help you out.

There’s a You Tube video of dredging a AMRA claim in AZ.

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There are many knowledgeable people on this forum, however I recommend you get your answers from the governing authority.  Many streams are closed to dredging for certain times during the year in specific areas.  In some  areas dredging is not allowed at all. Then you must verify whether the area is claimed or private property. As others mentioned, most any area where gold has been discovered has been claimed or on private property.  Good luck and if you find an open area that has good gold, don't tell anyone 'til you file your own claim!!!

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On 3/1/2009 at 8:29 PM, SteveT said:

The regs. are easy to figure out no matter where your at. Call the BLM. They will be more than happy to accomidate you.

The 3in. reg. on GPAA claims is pretty much common sense, they dont want a bunch of people in there tearin sh$$t up!!!

Happy hunting-dont forget your baby powder!!! :laught16:

SteveT

Good to have an idea on what the answer should be before you call.

 I’ve had mixed luck calling the BLM.  Got the office supervisor at the Phoenix office the first time and she was extremely helpful and knowledgeable.  The second time I just got the first person to pick up the phone, and he could not help at all.  Both time my questions were simple about filing a claim and how much it costs.  AZ has a 100,000 claims so everyone in the office should know those questions, yours are a lot more specific.  

Also with the forest service questions, need to call them.

No one you talk to on the phone will be willing to put there words in writing either.

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