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I have had a habit that I developed that needs to be changed. This could turn out to be a bad lesson learned depending on the progression of the wound.

Tuesday I was at an area a friend and I have been working, I was detecting for nugs and at the same time clearing the area of birdshot, lead, misc. metal garbage. I detected a couple of older spent shotgun shells one of which was in a trio of fallen rotted logs right in the middle I got a great signal :ROFL: which turned out to be just the brass section of a 12 ga. shell the rest must have been long rotted away. So I put it in my lower left pocket of my fatigues with the rest of the debris I had collected clearing the area.

Well a little while later I felt an irritation on that area of my leg so I proceeded to rub and smack at my pants figuring if it was a bug I'd fix his ass right quick.

Later when I came home an dropped the drawers I saw a red irrated area so I cleaned it an let it go at that.

Wed. when I got up it was a hole in my leg that was oozing fluid etc. with a golf ball sized hardness under the skin all red an irratated :WOW: . So for now it has bacitracin dressing on it and I'm keepin an eye on it to see if it wants to start growing deeper and larger.

Could be a jumping spider or something like that hit on me.

BUT I TELL YA 1 THING FER SURE IT HAD TO COME OUT OF ONE OF THEM SHOTSHELL BRASSES CAUSE THERE WAS ALOT OF CRAP INSIDE EM ACCUMULATED.

SO LESSON LEARNED PUT THE GARBAGE AN CRAP IN A POUCH CHANCES ARE LESS THAT I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN BIT.

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Looks like a Spider bit to me, but I'm no DR. I alway sweez the crap out, put peroxide on it. I take blood thinners, you should see how I look after a detecting day, I look like I been in a car wreck. Blood coming out everywhere and the next day brussed from head to ft. Grubstake

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Hi Frank,

I am no doctor or medical expert ... and hope I am wrong but ...

I hate to suggest that it might be a brown recluse spider you ran into. I don't know if they are in your area but I would be willing to bet they are. Their toxin is very potent to say the least. If that infection gets any worse I would hightail it to the docs. The recluse destroys flesh pretty quickly so if it doesn't appear to be healing get some professional help. Lots of times the damage occurs below the skin level and when it finally breaks out into the open it is a huge open pit.

I wouldn't hesitate to do the squeeze and peroxide wash that has already been suggested.

Mike F

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Frank: Did you see any evidence of an insect or insect parts come out of your pocket? Were any of the thinks you stuck in your pocket sharp or pointy? Spiders don't generally bite through fabric, although I suppose it's possible. I wouldn't rule out some type of infection (my wife got infected with MRSA last year and in the months long battle it took to deal with it I found out there are a lot of resistant bacteria out there that can enter through even a very small skin puncture). I hope it only is an insect bite, but if it worsens seek out an infectious disease specialist quick (non-specialist doctors don't seem to notice things until a leg or arm already is falling off). Hope you heal up quick.

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Frank C.

Knowing what I know now I would seek medical help imediatly, If that is a brown recluse bite they are very serious and at the lest you will have a bad scar, i spent 9 days in intensive care from one that started exacly looking like that & I kept self treating it untill it was to late, I was admitted to the Luke AFB Hosipital with 105.5 fever and the Drs said I was 15 minutes from dieing. It took 16 weeks for the area to heal and it still bothers me 13 years later, after that I met dozens of people in AZ who have been bitten, some did not go to a Dr and some have horiabble scars. Look at these links:

http://www.lib.uiowa.edu/hardin/MD/cdc/brownrecluse.html

http://lancaster.unl.edu/enviro/Images/Insects/recbite.jpg

The picture is my hand after operation and 16 week of healing!!

I have had a habit that I developed that needs to be changed. This could turn out to be a bad lesson learned depending on the progression of the wound.

Tuesday I was at an area a friend and I have been working, I was detecting for nugs and at the same time clearing the area of birdshot, lead, misc. metal garbage. I detected a couple of older spent shotgun shells one of which was in a trio of fallen rotted logs right in the middle I got a great signal :ROFL: which turned out to be just the brass section of a 12 ga. shell the rest must have been long rotted away. So I put it in my lower left pocket of my fatigues with the rest of the debris I had collected clearing the area.

Well a little while later I felt an irritation on that area of my leg so I proceeded to rub and smack at my pants figuring if it was a bug I'd fix his ass right quick.

Later when I came home an dropped the drawers I saw a red irrated area so I cleaned it an let it go at that.

Wed. when I got up it was a hole in my leg that was oozing fluid etc. with a golf ball sized hardness under the skin all red an irratated :WOW: . So for now it has bacitracin dressing on it and I'm keepin an eye on it to see if it wants to start growing deeper and larger.

Could be a jumping spider or something like that hit on me.

BUT I TELL YA 1 THING FER SURE IT HAD TO COME OUT OF ONE OF THEM SHOTSHELL BRASSES CAUSE THERE WAS ALOT OF CRAP INSIDE EM ACCUMULATED.

SO LESSON LEARNED PUT THE GARBAGE AN CRAP IN A POUCH CHANCES ARE LESS THAT I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN BIT.

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Well Max its been 3 days and I have been treating it with antibiotics and it seems to be contained, it has'nt gotten worse than it was yesterday, all the surrounding area itches I think thats a good sigh nerves healing and the lump under the skin is smaller now.. It just looks like an ugly tit like Earl said. :laught16: My buddy says there arent any brown recluses in az. i saw a map that shows spiders of that family in south eastern calif. an western az. on it. Who knows for sure anyway it seems to be contained tomorrow will see how it looks. Thanks for the advice buddy.

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Frank C

There is Brown Recluse spiders in Arizona. During the late 60's

Southwest Forest Products had warning posters at every scale

shack and log yard. The pulpwood contractors were running across

them ,and a few got bit.

At the time most of the pulpwood was handled with a lot of hand

work. The Brown Recluse likes to hang out around rotten logs or

under the bark on live pine trees.

Also the Hobo spider can ruin your day too,and they have been

found in Arizona. Spiders will hitch a ride just like a lot of pests,

so you really never can say that type of spider doesn't exist in a

different area.

If that is a spider bite the stuff that comes out of it will be like

slobbers not just a clear free flowing liquid.

I had a red ant bite last summer that looked like yours. Darn

thing took forever to heal and itched like crazy.

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Frank,

Yes, there are Brown Recluse spiders right here in Mohave county, A county road crew employee got bit a few years back out Stockton Hill road way, he had a rough time, but healed up eventually. I also had a friend that did some contract jewelry work for me when I was in the turquoise business, he got bit on the leg, just above the knee. It got to be an ugly mess before they were able to get it to heal up. He even went through a period of time trying the maggot debridement therapy, Gave me willies when he showed me the gaping cavity full of maggots............Yuuuuucccckkkkk.....Anyhow, he healed up quite fine after that, had a heck of a scar though.

I doubt that a Brown Recluse would take shelter in a shotgun casing, but stranger things have happened..... Good luck, hope that it continues to heal and it was just a ticked off red ant.....

I also pick up spent casings when in the hills, but always dump them out and make sure they are empty before putting them into my pocket......

Jim

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Yep, I have read all that higher education BS about there not being any Brown recluses closer than Tennesse and that is just what it is BS! put out by the funcitional idiots that a lot of our tax money goes to send them to ASU, The official California position is there are none in CA either! I offer any of them to come out in the desert and let a spider of my choice bite them, I don't expect to get any replies!

Hope you continue to heal with out complications!

Max

PS: They will also tell you that there is no gold in sandstone!!

Well Max its been 3 days and I have been treating it with antibiotics and it seems to be contained, it has'nt gotten worse than it was yesterday, all the surrounding area itches I think thats a good sigh nerves healing and the lump under the skin is smaller now.. It just looks like an ugly tit like Earl said. :laught16: My buddy says there arent any brown recluses in az. i saw a map that shows spiders of that family in south eastern calif. an western az. on it. Who knows for sure anyway it seems to be contained tomorrow will see how it looks. Thanks for the advice buddy.
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There are no "true" Brown recluse spiders here in the SW USA. But a variety of the same family of "recluse" spiders. Heres a link to them below. They are just as bad as the Brown Recluse, but are not the same critter.

http://dermatology.cdlib.org/DOJvol5num2/s...al/recluse.html

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Jerry I'm doing real well had antibiotics for 5 days and its healed up real well. Most likely a jumping spider bite from the research I did.

GARY tell that to Paleface he'll tell the guy who had his fleash eaten away from a bite in Kingman, Paleface said they had to use the maggot treament on him to heal him up.

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Jerry I'm doing real well had antibiotics for 5 days and its healed up real well. Most likely a jumping spider bite from the research I did.

GARY tell that to Paleface he'll tell the guy who had his fleash eaten away from a bite in Kingman, Paleface said they had to use the maggot treament on him to heal him up.

Oh I agree he probably got bit by a recluse. Like I said and posted a link there are several kinds of recluses. And they all are bad!!! But every one thinks the "Brown Recluse" is the only specie of recluses. And the other recluses bite is just as bad, but I hold my ground it was most likely not a brown recluse, but one of the SW varietys of recluse. Like the Arizona Recluse or Desert Recluse, plus a few others which if biten is just as bad as the Brown Recluse.

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Gary,

I will have to disagree with you, KNOW ONE KNOWS what kind of critters have hitchhiked rides in cargo on trucks and trains etc to AZ ,CA and the west.

Being recently retired form the trucking industry I wll tell you that every state bordering Az & CA have "Bug Check" stations at their Port of Entry. Those people running them have no problem sending you back across the state line to be sprayed or your truck and load washed, they roll underneth or look inside and if they see ANY ant,spider or crawly thing you go back and PAY, Most state line have a pest control operation very near and they charge big time. But they can not check every truck so there are Fire Ants in CA, etc. When I was a kid my Dad was a trucker and I often rode with him on trips west. At that time there where no Armadillos west of the Mississippi River, by about the 1960's they were spread all the way to NM. They came west mostly inside of oil field pipe on trucks and on the new bridges built across rivers where there were few before. This is just a few examples of migration , you can google lots.

I help spread speices too, once I took a load of hay up to a mine at about 5000 feet in Oregon, in conversation the owner told me that there were no rattlers that high in those Mts! Well the next AM there were clear snake trails from my truck in the dust in to some slash piled up, we found and killed two! But how many more was there?

AZ Guide recently posted pictures of a JAGUAR, I beleive they were taken in NM or AZ, so they egg heads will tell you there are no Jaguars either, lots of consolation to someone who gets Ate!

Max

PS: Glad you are doing well Frank any bite is no fun!

Oh I agree he probably got bit by a recluse. Like I said and posted a link there are several kinds of recluses. And they all are bad!!! But every one thinks the "Brown Recluse" is the only specie of recluses. And the other recluses bite is just as bad, but I hold my ground it was most likely not a brown recluse, but one of the SW varietys of recluse. Like the Arizona Recluse or Desert Recluse, plus a few others which if biten is just as bad as the Brown Recluse.
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As fas as the brown recluse spiders, I have been bitten twice. Both times on the abdomen while sleeping, and both times were in the Prescott area. As far as Jaguars, I have seen them in a mountain range here in Arizona while hiking with my dad when I was a teenager. And no, I won't say where. The Eco-Nazi's would just fence it off and kill any access, which is silly because like many cool places in this state, the wildlife there has co-existed with man and mining since early Spanish occupation.

Ben

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There are no "true" Brown recluse spiders here in the SW USA. But a variety of the same family of "recluse" spiders. Heres a link to them below. They are just as bad as the Brown Recluse, but are not the same critter.

http://dermatology.cdlib.org/DOJvol5num2/s...al/recluse.html

:Huh_anim]:

Heck, I did not get a gander of the spider, there was to darn many maggots muching away at the wound to get a good look........ Doctors told him that it was definately a Brown recluse spider bite.

Kinda like saying I got bit by a rattlesnake......... Yeah, but what kind :shrug:

:;):

Good information Gary, I did not know that there was so many relatives in that spider family.....

Jim

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