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  1. If its the Yaqui Gulch outside of San Andreas all the surrounding property is private and patrolled
  2. That is what I was thinking..........either way,it will have to be melted,and probably already is..........sad
  3. One of these fantasy tokens is the Banana Ranch...which was a real brothel.I have several of these tokens,and have sen them go for BIG money.Problem is a local Antique dealer had them made in the 1970's and sold em for 50 cents.......I could go on and on,I know of three different ones from Virginia City Nev. and at least four from Virginia City Mont.
  4. %99 of all "brothel tokens",that surface in the U.S. are fantasy pieces.....I only know of a few that are(were) the real deal....and yea,they are rare!! An interesting piece I have seen several of now dug are Large Cents,with the "E",replaced with a "U",the examples I have seen are expertly done,it has been said they were possibly of "Brothel",use,but I have seen no evidence to support that theory
  5. LOL!Bob,sure has a way with words!! I piss my money away every time I pull up to the pump!
  6. Just to bring up an older post I wanted to point out that the Chinese have been replicating our older coinage for some time and they dont always put "Copy",on them.Like the fabled Seated Dollar.....BE VERY CAREFUL,%98 of the time its fake.A good friend of mine was taken to the tune of $3000 on some!
  7. Dang good!!!!At that rate your detector will pay for it self!!
  8. First of all thank you Bob,and thank all of you guys!!I really appreciate your kind words especially after ...well no use!LOL!I agree these sites are great for the fact that they bring together shared interest people whom have a deep seated passion for what we do.I am really glad to see the new found activity in this part of the forum!!!!It was near dead back in the day.I will stick around and promise not to be a dik!!
  9. Thanks Denny....a lot of history has been lost in the Gold Rush Country especially.It is sad for sure especially when they are pushing to teach Homosexuality. My family came to Cala County pre 1849!
  10. This is Ohio but a little info on the "eastern",metal points http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=1259&nm=Metal-Arrowheads
  11. Thanks guys,no offence taken. In my experience as said points in wet climates dont seem to last,a lot depends on soil as well.In arid climates like N.Mex,Nevada,Arizona etc they seem to hold up well.They do not seem to be common anywhere(as far as I have seen)and I beleive that is because of the period when the Indians were were introduced to the "white Man",he also had guns,which of course was what they wanted(thats just an opinion) Bob,the problem with embellished stories is that it at some point becomes fact,and history is lost.This is seen with any of the Journals of the Fur Trappers,Buffalo hunters,even 49ers,each time they are reprinted and edited things are changed to make the story more exciting and before you know it its "the way it was".Example:Mark Twains story about the Jumping Frog of Calaveras County was supposedly about somebody filling a Frog with Buckshot as to gain an edge in a bet on a "Frog Jump".....the true story actually was about a Famous Fighting Chicken That MarkTwain had seen In San Francisco,which had lead shot fed to him to cheat.....Mark Twain changed that story to make it more "Politically Correct",but you see my point.I am a preservationist of History and strive to glean the facts....sometimes to a fault.As far as posting pictures of finds????Nope I dont do it,that just brings unwanted attention,for what?I have nothing to prove but a lot to lose.You will just have to trust me on that. That is an extreme work of art there!!As a 35 year long Knapper myself,I must say I am impressed!!!I have to admit,I use a copper wire to get those kinds of results.....my hats off to you. So again,please accept my apology and understand my stance Kuger
  12. I have to go back and read the replies but just wanted to aplologize to Bob,I came off totally wrong and thats just not right.It is stuff like that that makes people not post and I sure dont want that(just dont give too much info as to not have "visitors".So,sorry Bob,and in the future I will see to it that we have constructive conversation.
  13. well,I was done and am somewhat....as to not "derive",from Bobs find any further and I do apologize for coming across like I did,but I for one like to know facts and when facts are known pass them on,but thats here nor there.....Glassjaw actually I do consider myself somewhat of an well versed person on Native American points as I have been collecting them for the past 30+ years and am the kind of person that immerses myself into all can I learn about a subject.#2 yes,as a matter of fact I have found quite a few iron points,#3 Yes I have made LOTS of points with a hammer cold chisel and barrel bands.I used to made near exact replica arrows and sell them to art galleries/tourists,and as a matter of fact killed a deer with one.So.....again neat find Bob,and sorry.In the future since people seem to appreciate Fantasy(not saying your piece is)I will allow them to pass history on in that fashion....I want nothing to do with it
  14. This is going to get very interesting.As of right now any construction,land "grubbing",or any other activity on 5 acres of land or more has to have an engineered (Swep)Storm Water Erosion Plan)and BMP's(Better Management Practices)erosion control measures specified in the said SWEP,must be inspected by a Certified inspector(CESSWI)at cost to permit holder....usually around $95-120 and hour.Who enforces this?Well anybody,Joe Blow on the street can notify the Regional Water Control Board and file a complaint.A representative from that board must respond and deem whether or not an infraction has been committed,and if so,both State and Federal Citations can be issued....what does this have to do with a small operation??Well as of right now,I dont think anybody knows for sure but I will say when(and they will)these laws are modified to suit,mining ops we will know.The way the laws are now with acceptable/allowable storm water,or introduced polluted(sediment laden water)water,dredging is gone for ever
  15. No,I didnt say all of them,I said yours!But as there is no way to know if you didnt make them yourself I digress.I was hoping for you to back up your claims thats all,but you didnt/cant.No desire to fight just state the truth.If your posts are meant to be "funny",but factless,I will note that and skim over them in the future.I for one seek the truth,and was maybe hoping you could teach me something new? Also....what "other threads",do you elude to,or is that another failed attempt at a Jab?
  16. Well I dont have time at the moment to argue a few of your "Facts",but will point out that I never said anywhere all points were made from barrel bands.I did however ask to see these heads cut from armour?Your facts are indeed full of holes,and I am quite aware of the nomadic and non nomadic traits of various tribes.At present I happen to be residing in California....do you know anything about the California Missions and the Indian slaves??If you do,maybe you could answer why these forged points you speak of never show up here or Nevada?Wouldnt one assume since the Spanish were allowing there Indians to use there tools to make weapons to possibly use against them,some would be here?I see none in any archi reports either?As said I dont have the time right now,but would really like to see some factual data to support your claims
  17. again....I would like to see pictures.....I cant speak for the Rio Grand but can for Montana,Idaho,Wyoming and Nevada....I have never ever seen a metal arrowhead made from anything other than thin barrel band like material.I would like to see the average Indian heating metal over a campfire and hammer forging an arrowhead!!I have seen hundreds of excavated metal points.....would love to see these you speak of? I see no mention of Armour??Also I would like to see then cut a wheel band with snips or a chisel...I have made points from barrel bands with a hammer and chisel...no heat http://www.nm.blm.go...in/weapons.html
  18. absolutely not.......there was never a stone arrowhead found at the Custer Battlefield excavations and not all Indians had guns.After white man introduction the stone arrowhead was phased out in the plains
  19. Yea,and the SOB "metal detecting",was trespassing....lucky they didnt meet the same fate!
  20. I would really like to see proof of any point being made from armor....thats funny!!! They,as yours were made from barrel bands.....all of them
  21. .......A canadian Mining Corp offered to clean that Merc. Out of the Carson/Humbolt Rivers for free ,only condition was they wanted the gold in it.....the State said no.It will cost the State MILLIONS to do it so there it sits.....
  22. There is not a lot of the kind of info you are looking for out there because the Chinese were looked down upon and seen as vermin,not worth spending the time to document.If you read enough though you can pick up tid bits here and there.For one thing there werent just in one place,they had to be nomadic,and follow behind,because if the Yanks thought they were getting something good they would run them off.As said they reworked ground that others thought was poor or worked out.They were smart patient,and enterprising though and could make pay.
  23. I think I responded to you else where,but as Sawmill said they are rivets,made by the Storm Co.I only find them in 1860 ish sites and yes a lot of em along the immigrant trail!
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