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  1. Yes your wife is included and the guidelines regarding this are in the bylaws. Bill
  2. Thanks Roger, My spelling isn't the greatest sometimes it is all taken care of. Bill
  3. Hi All, I know there has been a few minor issues with some of the rules, but after lots of research and study on this we think we have come up with a set of guidelines fair to all and within the legal boundries set by authorites that over see our non-profit corporation. These things are not easy to get going and the forming of the club was left to us if it was gonna happen and we are doing just that. I am sorry if a few of you think what we are doing is not right regarding restrictions of claim use etc., but if you give it some thought you will understand I think. The final drafts you have seen are pretty much it and if later any changes are deemed necessary by paid members they will need to be made through the voting process after study of all applicable laws governing our corporation and BLM or Forest Service rules and regulations. We are very serious about making this a success and the guidelines we have set so far are necessary to achieve this success. We are always open to your concerns and ideas and all offers of help will be addressed as needed and trust me my friends we will need your help in this. It will be time over the next month or so to develop claims and work with lease offers to give our fledgling club a good base of gold producing claims and this process is already well under way. After incorporation and as the club begins to look at more claims paid members will be recruited to help with assessment of prospective claims in their areas. This will be very important work and if you have some good ideas, lets get them moving along ASAP. I am looking into a couple areas I used to have under claim and still hunt as are others at this time here in AZ. I am really excited to be able to start up an organization with a base of such knowledgeable and respected folks as you here at this forum and I really think this will fly. Thank you for trusting Dennis, Roger, John, and I with this task...I think :tisc-tisc: Next step?...We exist :icon_mrgreen: Bill
  4. Some of you have already commited to the WSPA and thank you, The lawyer said it will be about 35 days until we can actually beging to do business as the WSPA Inc. and we will be holding all checks until that time. Also all club info and areas under claim and proposed claims will not be available untill that time as well. We will be using this 35 days to get things put together including map packets to the claims we already have available to us. No money sent to the club will be used until again we are licensed and a legal corporation. The foundation is now laid, time to build! This will be a lot of fun, Bill
  5. Hi Guys, Yup we are just a bunch of miners and the BLM recognizes clubs for what we are. That being said we are limited to 14 days at one site befor having to move and all clubs including the GPAA, Roadrunners, HCGS, and the rest's members are bound by the same laws and it is in their paperwork as well. Same rules on Forest Service Lands.... We will be following these guidelines as we are obligated by law to do so. This was all researched prior to our starting this endeavor and following the law is essential for survival as a club. So how do mining operations big and small do it? Lots of red tape, insurance (reclaim) bonds, and a strict plan of operation. Then you apply for permission to stay at your claim to operate after proving is essential to operation of your mine. There ya have it and it will be in our rules. Bill
  6. BLM allows only 14 days camping in any one spot within a several mile radius and we are bound to that law. As club claims and listed under recreational mining as our purpose and full scale operations and long term camping is not allowed. We are required to make sure this is the case in our rules as well as bylaws to avoid losing claims due to ignoring BLM guidelines. More detailed info will be included with membership as well as any different added restrictions that the BLM also includes depending on location such as plan of operation and mining restrictions. Like it or not we are bound by laws set in place by the BLM regarding how we are able to use the claims as a club. Bill
  7. Hi All, can one of you thats a whiz with a PC come up with a membership card template? using the logo with a place for name, id #, year? That can be used with standard size business cards. Thanks in advance, Bill
  8. Here are the rules and our application. The bylaws are simple and straight forward as outlined by the rules of incorporation and will be available to all members. All claim info as well as internal club info will be available to all paid members upon joining. The rules as you see are very simple. I will have a mailing address by later today and will post it to accept your applications. Bill WSPA_rules_and_regs.rtf application_form.rtf
  9. Hi All, To help sum up what Dennis has said we do not want the same political messes etc. that some other clubs have found themselves involved in and will do our best to make sure that does not happen. As a non-profit corporation we do however have to (by law) hold elections each year for the board of directors that all members vote in. This is about as political as we will get and our bylaws allow for removal of a unsatisfactory board member by vote. All club information and especially claim info will be held in the strictest cofidence with paid members only being given directions and info to claims. Leased claims and their use (controlled by owner) will also be clearly outlined to each member. Trust me here my friends we have all seen the bad in clubs as well as the good and we are doing our best to make sure this is a good one. Our bylaws are being presented to our lawyer in Wickenburg tomorrow for inspection and then it will be submitted for our right to do business as Western States Prospecting Association. We will have a PO Box in Morristown, AZ and a bank account with Wells Fargo. I think one of the big differences in this club and others will be members and our core is already made up of folks many of us know and trust. This bond we all already share will make this endeavor a success. Good hunting, Bill
  10. Hi Rex, I understand and to be truthful folks that have that attitude would only be a deterence to the club anyway and it's best they just stay suspicious and a non-member. Merry christmas, Bill
  11. Pretty simple really, If you don't trust us or think we are out to steal claims then don't join :shrug: Pretty hard to steal something you legally file on or lease though I'd say. I'm sure there are folks that don't trust others out there and ya just can't please anyone. My Grandfather once told me "if you take a firm stand at anything and try to make it work there will be people that don't like it no matter how good the deed" Good hunting, Bill
  12. Prospecting... Damn...I'll go fix that. Bill
  13. Hi Slim and All, We're moving right along here and thanks! I just purchased www.westernstatesprospectorsassociation.com for the club and will transfer it over after we are incorporated. It was registered today and is ready to go. All the WSPA domains were taken and the owner wants $$ for them :hmmmmmm: I know it's a rather long address, but it will be fine. Good hunting, Bill
  14. Howdy lotsa luck, Well to sum that one up "all of the above" as there will be someone that does other than beeping involved I'd guess. I think most of our focus is on claims great for nugget shooting though. If a leased claim is not to be used for other than detecting that will be listed with the claim info we provide our members. You are correct about the lease agreement and we will be getting one put together ASAP. This agreement should include a gaurantee that the claim owners rights and rules for use be strictly adhered to as well. If an area is off limits or otherwise not usable by the club this will be clearly outlined with the claim information and any member that breaks this agreement will be ejected from the club plain and simple. There is allot of trust involved when someone loans use of a good claim and essentially gives away potential nuggets to our members and we will not allow abuse of this trust. Good hunting, Bill
  15. Just so you all know we are not charging folks that donate claims for the club to use for memberships. The donation of use of their claims is quite enough to join as we see it. It is simply the proper way to handle this don't ya think? Bill
  16. Cool Slim, I'll get the sub domain together as soon as we are incorporated next week. If you want to throw a front page together in your html editor in the meantime we could look at please do... Bill
  17. Hi All, That fee is when broken down less that 15.00 per month to have what will amount to 100s of acres of claims to work eventually and the repeat fee of 135.00 per year will assure that we are able to gain more as we mature as a successful group. Quite reasonable really and unlike the GPAA we will own many of our claims as well as lease. I don't think being the biggest will ever be our intention, just the best! Bill
  18. Hi Guys, I will have a club website up in a few days and yes we can sure use a couple folks willing do donate some time and build it. Anyone interested? It will be a sub domain donated by me at no cost as with the forum and chat. Rick can you write html? Bill
  19. Yes and as you mentioned Roger, personal info etc. regarding members and their addresses will be kept confidential. We will have this info when actual registration starts sometime in the next couple weeks. Bill
  20. That is a great thought Gary and I don't see that being a problem at all. So folks how about I post that info as we gain members. I will not be doing it until we have actually incorporated and in a sence are born. That will be next week. Bill
  21. Hi Bob, Not sure on the pro-rate thing yet, but hold your check till we get an account. You can send it to me if you want, but we don't have cards or applications together yet. Bill
  22. Hi Rick, If we don't collect a start up of 135.00 and charge the same per year there is no way the club could operate and maintain claims. I don't know what to say, sorry. We are starting from scrarch here and that money will be used to build our club by setting up a corporation and fileing claims. The cost to file a claim is 170.00 or so then 125.00 to keep it per, claim per year. At 135.00 per year we are less expensive than many clubs, there are naturally some less expensive, but what about their claims? Good hunting, Bill
  23. Yes folks will be allowed to use other methods on club owned claims, all leased claims will be subject to the owners wishes in such a case. If the claim owner says detecting only that is how it will be. I know of two cases where a preliminary offer of large claimed areas have been offered pending the outcome of all this and both have requested detecting only as they still are working these claims, another area will have the current workings off limits. These folks are watching us grow and by following these requests to the letter more claims will become available as we gain trust of owners. Bill
  24. Hi All, This club was started by forum members and is forum based and I will also be suppling a sub domain for the use of the WSPA as we move along. At this point we are not 100% sure we want to be spread out all over the web and at least by having club members that were forum members first you know the folks joining to some degree. This is a totally non-profit thing and all that my site gives to the club in the way of forum, chat, and sub domain all donated by Nugget Shooter. So why pay someone to do it? The more things we have to buy the less we have for claims etc. Politics and having tons of members that care about nothing more than having a place to hunt without lifting a finger to help is what has made many a club...well....suck. I somewhat fear the attitude you see and some of the nasty politics of large clubs. To be honest some of the folks I have met at other forums and in the field over the years have some bad habits and could care less about claims or rules...Do we want that here? Extending the comradery of this forum into the field at outings has been great and to extend a bit more with a forum based club is a first I think as well as a good way to sort of get to know folks first. Most of this is still in the discussion stage at this point and we will lay what we have come up with on ya after Christmas. As gary said we have several posts and are learning by the "puddle of mud" theory, but as we put things together it will be announced. If you want to send a check that is fine and please make it out to Western States Prospecting Association and we will hold it until we have a bank account set up. I and the rest of us have been paying very close attention to ALL of your comments and ideas and are using your advise. The cost to incorporate in AZ is around 700.00 and we will be loaning the WSPA the money to set this up ASAP, next will be a mailbox, and bank account. We at that time will present our bylaws for your approval, send out a pdf format application and get the ball rolling. In the next few weeks we will have our first club meeting/chat on line and you will be able to learn much more and make suggestions. Before this meeting we will be asking those that want to commit after seeing the bylaws etc. to pay their dues to stay aboard or ask to be let out of joining and we will then change the password for paid members only. This is what is up so far with a few edges to be smoothed out so bear with us folks as we are working our butts off to get er done. Those chomping at the bit to help please be patient as we truly want your assistance as soon as something is set in stone. Good hunting, Bill
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