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    Desert Prospecting, Drywashing, Recirculating, Detecting

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  1. You will need to give a little more detail, and I don't think you'll get the question answered for free, over a public forum with any reliability. Have you looked it up on the BLM site? You can call and ask them, but the advice I got from the Phoenix office has been completely wrong once and correct once, so take what they say with a grain of salt. I went to BLM land to prospect an old commercial operation that is unclaimed. For around $300 / 40 acres I could stake the claim with the BLM and county. I'd have to pay around $300 / 40 acres to renew. After that, its your mine, and you can start operations, kind of. If you are going to metal detect or dig with a shovel, then you truly need nothing else. If you're going to use equipment, it is a different story. Part of it includes, do you need to make roads to get there? Also, environmental impact studies and reclamation fees, depending on the size of the operation. A couple of guys have posted how they've gotten small operations going, but each case is a little different. What mineral are you after? Not all minerals will stand up to digging up. If you don't want to share info that's fine. Also, if you're serious enough about it, you really ought to go to someone local and ask. For example in Phoenix, there's a place that processes ores, I would call them up and see if they can get me to a consultant. The thing that worries me about claiming an already proven deposit, is that it's probably played out, and if not, its likely we take reclamation more seriously now a days than in years prior, so reclaiming your work and not the work from a century ago could prove difficult. Not all BLM land is created equal, some of it has been withdrawn, possibly even because a wilderness area was enacted on top of it meaning a non-grandfathered claim can't be mined, and the barring of motorized vehicles except for roads authorized on the travel management plan. BLM will take whatever money you give them, and not be responsible for sending you a claim number for something you can't use because you filed it on the wrong part. If the company has ceased operations, but still has an active claim, you can't claim it, but the BLM will still take your money. They also will not catch a mistake, but will back charge you for it. Bunch of claims were staked locally by paying the BLM for 20 acres on a 160 acre claim, so that operation either had to pay up, or drop it. Last I checked they dropped 95% of those claims,.
  2. chrisski


    Gun control is like being republican and democrat and having a political discussion on Facebook. No one's mind is ever changed. My wife believes in gun control, and there's nothing you can do to tell her that taking guns away from anyone won't solve the world's problems. I'd like to see the source article you got your stats from. The only articles I saw on my google search say that gun confiscation is the greatest thing since sliced bread in Australia. A Google Search also lists Afghnaistan and Somalia as the most conservative countries in the world due to lawlessness. The article will never change my wife's mind, but I can use it as a "talking point."
  3. You got to be sure its BLM, and unclaimed. Then you can file with the county, and then with the BLM. If not filed with the county, you don't have a valid claim. Pleas be advised the county and the BLM only file paperwork, so them taking it does not mean its a valid claim. Many people have filed claims on the wrong type of land. Most of us here are not that big to deal with the other stuff. For the size most of us are, a claim is not even needed, provided you are on unclaimed land. This includes metal detecting and drywashing where holes are filled in after. There's something like 300,000+ active mining claims, and unless you intend on returning to an area to mine, it is probably not worth the time and money to stake a claim. Of those 300k+ claims, I really doubt there are more than 3,000 legitimate claims, with the rest being speculation. Each land is different: federal, state, county, and private, among many, many other land types. Also be careful what you think a locatable mineral is. It won't be gravel and it won't be getting landscaping rocks. It can, but that's not an easy cheap process and probably involves things you mentioned.
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    Primitive Smelting

    It may be the O2 is recombining with the metals. I had not thought about lime, but I was thinking of Borax. I need to read to see if it is a flux though. I thought I saw it at our local prospecting shop a couple of years ago before it closed. If I continue, I'll need to get away from the torch. That just kicked all the smoke and debris and ash into my face as I was cooking it. Not bad once, but I don't want to keep that up. There is another local shop I may visit over the next few days. Last time I was there, they just manufactured sluices and had a poor selection of other stuff. Turns out Amazon kindle Unlimited has a couple of books on refining gold I'm going over. I hope there's a chapter on fluxes. These are geared towards jewelry. The primitive smelting video that showed copper production had a the copper ore buried under grass sod blocks as the fire was fed under a few inches of dirt with a bellows. I think you're right about not getting the metal to recombine with the oxygen. Either that, or my charcoal I used for carbon was not the carbon needed to react with the oxygen in the copper oxide to take the oxygen out of the mixture. I'm working across from a library for the next couple of days that has the best collection of Arizona Rock collecting books I've found in a library, so perhaps it will be there.
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    Primitive Smelting

    Unsuccessful try with a MAPP torch. What I ended up with looked a lot like what I started with. There may have been a flake or two of copper visible under the loupe, -50 mesh, and I did not get a picture of it. I had expected to get about a teaspoon of molten copper, but I didn't. I did three sets of burns. 1) I mixed about two parts baked ore with one part powdered charcoal. The first burn melted seemed like the flame blew most of the sand away, but left me with a about a dozen tiny pebble size pieces of black, with a couple specks of quartz looking mineral. In the picture by the loupe (Middle), that pebble is pictured on the right. For the under the loupe picture (Right) it is the black pebble that has white from reflections. 2) The second burn I put it in a deeper pot, and baked it, still one part charcoal by volume to one part baked ore.. Seemed like the crushed charcoal disappeared quickly, either burning up or blowing away. I was left with a few more pieces of the black pebbles. All these pebbles in both burns look like charcoal, but are harder, but still crumble to with finger pressure. The bits of white glass were also present on this burn, and those were brittle. This burn I cooked under the MAPP gas for 3 minutes and it was white hot, but didn't melt. In the glass from the burn is where I say the copper in the glass under the loupe. 3) The third burn I took a rock with the original green ore and burnt it with the MAPP flame until it turned white hot and a couple of pieces flaked off. Looks like burnt rock to me, possibly a fusion crust with the inner part inside. This is pictured on the left. Under the loupe picture (Left) it is the browner of the rock. I've got a third of the original crushed baked ore, but am not sure what my next step is. I don't think I will be using the torch to melt anything. If I go any more forward, I will move up to a smelter. The torch just kicks up too much of the crushed ore. When I try to heat the clay pot from the outside, it turns red hot on the outside, but the inside does not get white hot. Even when I put the flame to the ore, it may not get hot enough for the reaction to take place for all I know.
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    N.E. Ohio potential meteorites?

    I'd recommend reading about the geology of the local area. I'm betting your area was covered in an ice sheet and glaciers 10,000 years ago and moved these rocks in at that time. Problem with glacial rocks, is we truly don't know where they came from. They could have been moved hundreds of miles from Canada. These glaciers scrubbed areas down to the bedrock depositing rocks at random places and eventually deep gravels wherever they melted. The creeks just concentrate these odd looking rocks for some reason. The lighter ones like sandstone tend to get washed downstream in the floods, and the heavier ones stay in the creekbed. The creekbed attracts stones that look like they don't belong. In one of my trips, I was standing in a deep cut river, a couple hundred feet deep, and the walls of the cliffs were sandstone, but the bed of the river was different. That's simply because when the sandstone falls off, it gets pulverized back to sand in the rains, but the very few other rocks that are in there stay concentrated in the creek bed. If you really, really want it to be a meteor, than it was all space dust 4.6 billion years ago until it started gravitating to what we now call earth. To me the concretion does not look natural, but more as if its an older concrete when it used to be expensive and people would mix it with rocks and gravel to save money.
  7. chrisski

    ArcticDave's Legal Eagle XL

    I could see that being mistaken for a home made IED.
  8. chrisski

    Primitive Smelting

    Definitely won't be stoking the coals by blowing through a straw then. I'll definitely be doing this outdoors. There's probably all sorts of things that can go wrong from burning the rocks, especially if smelting does become a hobby. Turns out one of the documents for where this ore came from lists it as a former Zn-Mn-Au-Ag-Cu-Pb mine, so there's a high chance that there's a bit more than trace zinc and lead in there rocks. Guess I shouldn't be roasting this with a torch on a consistent basis. Whatever I end up with, I'll probably take for an XRF analysis.
  9. chrisski

    Primitive Smelting

    What's wrong with a high zinc content? I know there's iron in there, because there is magnetic black sand just like every other rock I've ever crushed. The area the sample came from was a test dig for a manganese mine, but ended up at non-commercial values, so I suspect there's also Manganese. I may have a separate project coming up that may justify using a torch, so if I get one I may try that.
  10. chrisski

    Primitive Smelting

    I am trying to figure out how I want to do this next. I do not want to spend 2 hours blowing a straw hoping to get the coals hot enough to melt, so I'm looking for a scrap computer fan to stoke the coals. I've also looked at maybe using a Bunsen burner, but there's too much there to do in a reasonable amount of time. I guess a marble sized piece of the black sand copper oxide would be way to much to melt with a Bunsen burner and I have 2/3 of a 3 OZ Dixie cup I want to try to smelt. I'm unclear if a small propane torch would be hot enough. Some of what I see makes it plenty hot, but other of what I read makes it hot enough only at the tip of the flame. Oxyacetylene would definitely be hot enough. Either of those gases are too much for what I want to pay for this. I may get a small smelter for Christmas. If I can scrounge up a fan and maybe a length of metal pipe for the air to go into the clay where the coals are before Christmas, I will give it a shot You mentioned getting a book in the library. I went to a small store today to pick up a book on gardening, and the store didn't sell any books saying there was too much stuff available on the internet and with how long they would sit on the shelf, the book would be outdated and non-purchasable. Also seems that even our schools are moving away from textbooks as learning starts to migrate to the web. I may have to add this to my YouTube channel once this is done. With just being in books these kind of things are a dying art with no one putting a good how to video on YouTube.
  11. Does it give lots of pictures inside? What Amazon lets you look at is nice, but the pages it lets you view has no pictures in it.
  12. chrisski

    Whats in your break down bag

    -Most of above plus a tow strap and super strong D-Rings and towing hitch. First time I was stuck had nothing to pull me out if someone had driven by, so got these. -Starting Fluid -A couple of vehicle specific things like a 11mm super deep socket and Inch Pound torque wrench for turbo boots popping off -Water and food mostly to walk out. GPS and Maps if a new area. If my Diesel truck breaks down, I'd be screwed. I'd need a garage full of tools to actually fix the thing. Wing and a prayer.
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    Quartz With Solid Metal Core?!? Is this ore??

    Granite is a name given to a rock with a wide variety of rocks: " granite is an igneous rock with between 20% and 60% quartz by volume, and at least 35% of the total feldspar ." When we think of quartz, it is Silicon Dioxide, but the key to granite is it has feldspar and quarts. The metal detector is probably just sounding off on a hot rock, something very common in the gold fields out west. My two detectors sound off to hot rocks differently. The sound is "different" than a real target, not as crisp as a true metal target, and tends to sound off more one way than the other. Some rocks that look identical to me are hot and others not. I think its just whatever trace iron was in it when the rock cooled. I have no idea why some non-metallic rocks are hot, and others not. Don't think anyone has done chemical analysis and scientific studies on it. If you're lucky enough to trace it back to the source and find the bedrock it came from, if it is large enough, perhaps it can be quarried and made into something. I do look for things like that, and found a huge quarts area about 100' X 100' X 100', but the rock was way to cracked to be of any use for countertops. Even if you did find it, now it becomes an operation with heavy equipment to make countertops, but ore, no. If you really want to crush and pan, go ahead. Not quite sure what you were trying to prove with muraic acid. I truly don't know much about acids other than vinegar can react with limestone cement and caliche, and hydrofluoric dissolves quarts. Some react with metal and plastic, but others don't. Not sure what test muraic acid is. With a name of volcanic intrusion, I would think that you recognize granite as being an igneous intrusive rock.
  14. When I was in Japan, would hunt for old glass fishing buoys hidden in the bushes. Wonder what else was hidden back there.
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    Primitive Smelting

    I crushed up a couple of ounces of copper ore to smelt, pictured in the white cup with green dust that looks more whitish. I roasted the fine green dust in a clay pot in the fire for a couple hours. The next day I panned the ashes out, and was left with lots of black sand, which I guess is copper oxide. I guess my next step will be to crush up some charcoal, mix it with the copper oxide at a 1:1 ratio, put it in a clay pot, and roast over charcoal and fanning the coals as much as I can. That should create a reaction where the CuO and C are changed to CU + CO, or the charcoal and copper oxide turn to copper and carbon monoxide. Doing this off a couple of You Tube videos, and not much is available on the process, so any tips appreciated. The video made it appear as if the copper should appear after the first burning, but later I found a couple more that said to mic the black ore with powder. This does not necessarily need to be hot enough to melt the copper, but create the reaction to get the oxygen out of the copper oxide.