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  1. Won't it make the Elk meat too blood shot?
  2. Out of the frying pan into the fire . . .
  3. Hi Tom, Thanks for the tip! Actually, I did look at that magnetic sweeper and a couple of others before I found the picnic site and since I already had the basic component parts on hand, decided to cobble one together myself. I used an industrial strength bar magnet that does a good job of sucking up bottle caps, nails, rusty metal debris etc. It doesn't have a release mechanism other than manually scraping stuff off, but that's not hard to do and it's narrow enough to get into tight spots between rocks.
  4. Aug 18, 2009 "STEALING THE PAST: The haul included everything from arrowheads to pots and pendants. There were woven sandals and ceramic figures. There was even a rare turkey-feather blanket and a female loin cloth. All told, undercover investigators purchased 256 artifacts worth more than $335,000. All were illegal. Using an undercover source, agents from the FBI and the US Bureau of Land Management had spent since November 2006 infiltrating a tight-knit community of looters in the Four Corners area who dig up graves and pillage archaeological sites on public lands, then sell the items they find to dealers and collectors. But it wasn't until early June of this year that agents announced their take: Thus far, a total of 24 people have been indicted, 23 arrested and 12 homes searched—including four in Santa Fe. On June 12, federal agents searched the homes of collectors Forrest Fenn, Thomas Cavaliere, Bill Schenck and Christopher Selser, seeking artifacts their undercover source had learned about during the course of the investigation. Although agents seized certain items—as well as computers, business records and photographs—they have yet to file charges against the four Santa Fe residents (most of the arrestees live in Blanding, Utah). While recent daily newspaper coverage has focused on those particular raids, Santa Fe figures heavily into the story of archaeological looting for reasons that go beyond the handful of local dealers whose homes were searched. According to Phil Young, an archaeologist and retired National Park Service special agent, Santa Fe is the "hub of the wheel of the black-market trade" when it comes to illegal artifacts. Young should know: He has been tracking looters since the early 1990s and has seen their methods and networks evolve and expand. Of late, looters have become increasingly sophisticated, Young says, using GPS units and Google Earth to locate archaeological sites, and employing front-end loaders and backhoes to unearth remains. Such focused efforts in some ways reflect another important factor when it comes to archaeological looting. "Historically, the trend has usually been that the amount of looting and vandalism goes up at times when the economy has gone down and, in good economic times, the amount of vandalism and theft goes down," Young says. That trend seems to be holding true right now. "Even here in the Galisteo Basin, within the last year and a half, we've had an unauthorized hole put in a place that hadn't had any holes in 15 years," he says. "We've got that occurring at a historic and prehistoric turquoise mine in the Cerrillos Hills—when times get tough, people get very creative and, a lot of times, the ethical considerations get ignored." The issue of ethics can sometimes be a tricky one, especially considering the different views scientists, Native Americans and collectors take when it comes to the value of what lies beneath the soil. But the laws themselves are clear. Federal and New Mexico state laws protect sites, dictate who may excavate them and how, and ensure that no one can turn a profit on the bones—or sacred items—of someone else's ancestors. That said, the black market in illegal Native American artifacts is an increasingly complex network, one that sometimes overlaps with the drug trade and other crimes—and it's one that federal investigators are trying to wrestle under control. Beginning in the early '90s, a task force convened to clamp down on the theft of sacred objects, artifacts looted from public or tribal lands and human burials. Over coffee and a hash breakfast approximately a month after the Four Corners arrests, Young recalls the variety of criminals apprehended during earlier investigations: In 1994, federal agents confiscated 11 objects considered sacred by the Mescalero Apache Tribe from Santa Fe's East-West Trading Company. In another instance, an energy worker would scout northwestern New Mexico's oil and gas fields for archaeological sites, then return to loot them. After he was charged, he even admitted to using a concrete saw to slice Navajo pictographs from the sandstone bluffs on which they were painted. "Fifteen minutes per panel, he told us," Young says, "to steal those." Then, in the late '90s, an operation in the Farmington area yielded indictments of a dozen looters. That particular ring was also involved in the drug trade: "The guy who was the methamphetamine dealer was trading with meth heads for artifacts," Young says. "They would get high, work off their buzz—their high—doing destructive things to the scientific record, trying to recover these artifacts so they could go get high again." The US is just now catching up to the rest of the world in treating looting and artifact theft as serious crimes. Ten years ago, just three federal agents nationwide dealt full-time with the issue. Now, the FBI alone has 20 agents assigned to the arts and artifacts crimes unit—and one of them is stationed in Santa Fe. Collectors here appreciate—and can afford—rare items. But New Mexico is also a state in which looters are wreaking destruction. With a sweet, easy smile that somehow doesn't distract from the serious issue at hand, archaeologist Norman Nelson breaks down the enormity of New Mexico's looting problem. A native New Mexican and second-generation archaeologist, Nelson has worked in archaeology for three decades. "If you were to take the southwestern part of the state, we conservatively estimate that 95 percent of those sites have been damaged—and that's [by] everything from a shovel to a bulldozer," Nelson, who now works at the state Historic Preservation Division and is acting coordinator of the state's SiteWatch program, says. The prehistoric pottery found in that part of the state—Mimbres-style pottery has distinctive black-on-white geometric designs and, oftentimes, human or animal figures—is a high-end item, he says, that appeals to collectors, particularly those in places such as Scandinavia, Sweden, Germany, Japan and China. The black-market trade in artifacts is a $5 billion to $6 billion a year business, Nelson says—and it makes up a significant chunk of the illegal global market. "Arms is first, illegal drugs is second and artifacts is third." For complete review and additional details on how Fenn made his money (legally): https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjyj53RofPpAhUaIDQIHXjACMAQFjAAegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfreporter.com%2Fnews%2Fcoverstories%2F2009%2F08%2F19%2Fstealing-the-past%2F&usg=AOvVaw1LZ0-EdIYD1oahT0zLZWEF
  5. 10/17/2018 "A Pennsylvania man arrested for burglarizing Forrest Fenn's New Mexico house told police he believed the famed art and antiquities collector's treasure would be there. Robert Miller, of Pine Grove, Pennsylvania, was arrested Friday and charged with residential burglary, breaking and entering and criminal damage to property after he used an ax to break into Fenn's Old Santa Fe Trail home. Miller told a Santa Fe police officer that he flew to Santa Fe because he believed the treasure chest that Fenn says he's stashed somewhere in the Rocky Mountain region, said to be filled with gold coins and other valuables worth more than $1 million, was at the house" Maybe Fenn wisely decided to try and avoid further incidents of this nature . . .
  6. I agree. Not only that, the find predates the discovery of gold in NV by over a 100 years. That's what makes it even more of a mystery.
  7. Forrest Fenn’s treasure found in Rocky Mountains “The guy who found it does not want his name mentioned. He’s from back East,” Forrest Fenn said. A perfect ending to the story . . .
  8. Lots of German immigrant miners back in the day. Did you happen to find any old rusted pieces of metal around where the coin was found that could have been part of a Bratwurst cart? Nice find!
  9. "Forrest Fenn was an art, antique dealer and author from Santa Fe, New Mexico, and before the treasure hunt, Fenn conflicted with authorities over Federal antiquities law. FBI agents raided his home in 2009 as part of an investigation into artifact looting in the Four Corners area and seized items, but he was not charged. Two people targeted in the case committed suicide, and Fenn has blamed the FBI for their deaths" Fenn's gallery sold a variety of American Indian artifacts, paintings, bronze sculptures, and other art, including forged copies of works by Modigliani, Monet, Degas, and other artists. The gallery reportedly grossed $6 million a year" We all tend to look at this story from different perspectives, depending upon our own background and experience. The fact that Fenn was an art and antique dealer tends to place him in a special category of "believably" in my experience as a Fraud Investigator. Fenn, being Irish, might share a figurative genetic connection to Darby o'gill, and have story telling in his DNA. But I wonder what kind of story a reliable polygraph might tell? And I would love to know what his insurance claim history looks like.
  10. I like his biopic introspection and expressive poetry. Wouldn't be surprised if the motivational emphasis in his mind was the sharing of the thrill of the hunt with others. That rings true to me more so than his explanation about "giving people hope". Also wouldn't be surprised if he actually was involved in setting up the recovery. More to this than meets the eye perhaps.
  11. I never saw it although I heard about it. Thanks Max.
  12. Way to go matt! How thin and eroded were the coins, especially the dimes and clads? I used to hit the beaches after summer holidays; all up and down the L.A. (Malibu, Zuma) Ventura, and Santa Barbara coasts. Also, after those big "pine apple express" storms would pass through that area. Made a lot of very worn finds, and occasionally, a nice piece of jewelry near the volley ball nets, around the life guard towers, and once was able to help a distraught newlywed find his lost diamond encrusted wedding ring and almost got a kiss from the bride! I was more that happy with a beer as a consolation prize. The amount of lost parking meter quarters was often the biggest payoff at Redondo and Huntington beaches, and of course the time honored ritual of sea nymph gazing made for for good times indeed!
  13. Sounds like somebody that anyone would want to meet. I will always regret that I didn't look him up during the time he lived in Deming or even later when he moved over to to Dona Ana Co. He had a lot of experience and insights about MD searching, less obvious places to go, and details that I was able to benefit from. Another guy I always wanted to meet who lived in Deming, was Skeeter Skelton, who worked as a Customs BP officer. He was a well known Pistolero and gun writer for Shooting Times. He turned out some great gun articles as well as a lot of stories based on life experience and loaded with home spun wisdom. The Ill Gotten Gains of Me and Joe, The Golden Spurs of Dobie Grant. and others. He was on the Border Patrol pistol team along with Bill Jordan, who gave shooting exhibitions by placing an aspirin on the back of his hand waist high, then drawing and shooting the aspirin before it hit the ground! Great nostalgia. Keep 'em coming Max!
  14. Great story Max! I really miss old Glen. He was one of the most inspiring writers I used to read when I first started
  15. From my perspective, and the way I was taught in two different police academies and years of police work (under California law), A police officer (or a citizen) may not use deadly force solely in defense of property. Burglary, auto theft, etc. No shooting at moving vehicles, even if it's coming at you. (Unless you can't get out of the way and it's life threatening) No deadly force against rioters or looters unless in self defense or when defending the life of another, unless: the crime committed is so great that it would be justified to use deadly force to prevent a suspect's escape or to prevent the crime. And the threat must be actual, not just perceived, coupled with a present ability to cause death or GBI (Great bodily injury) Murder, attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon etc. Arson is one of those iffy, borderline areas because fire behavior is often deadly unpredictable. No furtive movement excuses "I thought he reached for a gun" No sorry, that won't fly. You better see the darn gun and not a "drop gun" either. And: No shooting of fleeing felons, unless to prevent the escape of a violent felony suspect: Rape, armed robbery, kidnapping and the other violent felonies mentioned above. AND ABOVE ALL: No unnecessary "probable cause" shootings. Don't shoot somebody just because they are "bought and paid for" Just because there is legal justification to do so. We were taught to disarm suspects not shoot them. I was also taught, If you have to use force when making an arrest, make darn sure it's justified and according to the law: "Only that force which is necessary to effect the arrest" Police officers are expected to take risks and taking those risks get officers killed. So eventually, officers may start to burn out due to constant stress, disillusionment, and apathy. They "burn out" and become jaded and short fused. They live with a "revolving door" criminal justice system and "cafeteria style justice" that lets repeat offenders off with little or no punishment and deterrent effect. They see the same criminals committing the same crimes, day after day and getting arrested by the same officer, who is taunted and mocked for being an Opie Pecker-head, Howdy Doody looking Mother F'er, and the usual variety of familiar colorful adjectives. Cops are human and they get tired of the abuse and mistreatment too. They are commonly subjected to phony citizen complaints, (Mamma, he called me the N word!), and if you work in an inner city community, you will probably hear "300 years of slavery" every time you make an arrest. After years of a failed, liberal justice system, so many officers react by resorting to "street justice" - "You might beat the time, but you won't beat the ride" they develop an Us vs Them mentality, and they withdraw, feeling isolated and alone, backed into a corner. Then the burn out starts. When cops burn out they sometimes enter a spiral of excessive force, a little here, a little there, until it becomes a routine. The adrenaline is always amped up, shootings and questionable arrests happen, planted evidence issues, citizen complaints increase, prosecutions are thrown out and on and on. By that time a cop may be drinking too much to relieve stress until that becomes the norm. Then, domestic issues, divorce and further isolation. He usually only has other cops for friends. He is stereotyped, disliked and distrusted by the community. He will be told: "If you wanted to be loved, you should have joined the fire department" Cops over react and act too soon sometimes because they are in a state of constant stress and a "Pavlov response" can turn out deadly in a confrontation between a citizen and police. Such as the previous case in Minnesota where the officer shot and killed an apparent legally armed black man on a traffic stop (in front of his wife) The victim supposedly made an inadvertent move, not with aggressive intent, and the officer reacted. This kind of stuff is going to happen but it shouldn't. I don't know for sure; I don't think that officer was a "bad cop" but he probably wasn't suited for the job. There are a lot of cops out there that are not suited for the job anymore, IMO (if they ever were) Not necessarily because they are evil racists, but because of a variety of other things such as inability to over come fear and the stress of the job. I didn't respond to this post expecting that anyone would start being empathetic toward police, it's probably too soon for that, but most citizens aren't aware of, and don't take into consideration the specific cause and effects, human costs, and occupational demands of being a police officer. In the 60's and 70's minority officers in all of the under served communities was one of our important goals and we got there to an appreciable degree. It was a start. I believe when changes and reforms come about, it will not be just because of the societal pressures against the justice system from without that we are now seeing, it will also be because young idealistic world changers, some of whom are now considered radicals, will finally figure out that change has to come from within. Just as we did, back in the 60's and 70's. And I don't mean political or revolutionary change as much as I mean evolutionary change, although politics may play an adversarial role. But don't be fooled, the power structure understands force most of all. If you beat your head against a brick wall you accomplish nothing. You have the key and the path to effect positive change, IMO. It's through the front door. '
  16. No Bob, that's more your style than mine. I do applaud your concern for police problems though and I'm sure you're just the man for the job. Unarmed and alone to face the crowd of rioters and looters. Go get em' Bob! Be sure and Let us know how it went!
  17. Open carry. Appears to be working. Any looter with experience would indeed be a fool for putting on a show for the camera in an armed neighborhood like that. I guess it's just a coincidence that the looters don't seem to be attacking people, and looting stores in any armed neighborhood, in any videos showing open carry. They are not fools. They know a citizen protecting himself and his property may not show restraint like the police do. So why take the risk. Why confront an armed citizen when there are plenty of unarmed victims out there to brutalize.
  18. I don't blame you for not wanting to go down that rabbit hole Bob, It might not work out so well for you . . . but then again, who knows?
  19. "Delta is ready when you are . . . "
  20. "our anti fascists have always supported peaceful protest in our community" Well I guess your organization is doing a fine job then, huh Bob?
  21. Turns out, it's not "Fake News" Now you have an apparent real conflict and contradiction between two of the prosecution's experts that performed separate autopsies. Hate to say it, but stuff like this is what sometimes leads to hung juries and mistrials, and worst case scenario; even possible acquittal.
  22. Was that a spell check error? OK, whatever you say Bob. I posted it to call your attention to it because I didn't know what it was. Looked like it might be a groups initials that I wasn't familiar with or something. At least I alerted you to a a jumbled up mess that didn't make sense. Seriously Bob, If it's about editing, I would encourage you to edit a little more before you spew this stuff out, instead of waiting to see my response, then changing your whole post to try to create the illusion that I'm "thrashing around", (and relying on me to do your clean up for you)
  23. "agrei didn't mention them Mac because there were none at the protest" Great! Good luck with that.
  24. "pay their fair share" I love that phrase! What it means is let the radicals decide "whats fair" That's hilarious! And yes, "fair share" would absolutely be a confiscatory tax rate and would result in power and wealth being redistributed as a permanent government control system. Who doesn't like free stuff and a Nanny state? Perfect! If you like a one party system . . .
  25. There is a grain of truth in what you say Bob. There are far right militants, (but what you forgot to mention), there are also far left militants that cause problems. Looks like the Left may have taken the night off. But both groups have radical agendas as does ANTIFA. So why stick up for, or defend any of them? You also failed to mention the looters in your colloquy, many of which are protesters that loot, pillage and commit acts of violence as a manifestation of their anger (and some do it to justify their behavior, and victim hood) Fortunately, Las Cruces has thus far been spared.
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