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  1. At last! I guess that means zinc and copper will be on the rise soon? (no more silver plated coins-just 100% zinc/copper?)
  2. As I recall, Dave compromised by giving up Emily in order to keep his other remote gold camp. Given the circumstances and who he was fighting, I'm amazed he came out with anything at all. He risked a lot, but apparently came out OK in the end.
  3. News Posted Mar 13, 2010 By Les Zaitz The Oregonian/OregonLive Lead: “Dave Rutan runs a gold mining retreat in the wilderness of southern Oregon. His desire to commercially dredge miles of the Chetco River concerns some environmentalists” Three years ago, Dave Rutan opened a gold mining retreat inside the Kalmiopsis Wilderness of southern Oregon, bringing in helicopters, gas-powered dredges and paying customers. He did so without the permission county authorities say he needed. Now he wants to commercially dredge miles of the Chetco, one of Oregon's purest rivers. He plans to helicopter in four-man crews to seek gold from the equivalent of nearly 50 truckloads of river gravel each season" I highly recommend reading the full story of Dave’s long drawn out battle with the Forest Service, the county, and environmentalist over his various gold camps and mining issues. He managed to seemingly fight the bureaucrats to a stand-off and a stale mate, (even after he was denied permits and was banned from building cabins on patented property in the wilderness, he used helicopters to fly in manufactured cabins and mining guests) and continued his fight for mining and property rights. Part-1 In the spring of 2002, I happened to attend a gold show in Monroe, WA, where I first met Dave Rutan and his father Dale, who had a large vendor booth set up and were promoting a 3 day all inclusive pay to dig type operation. They owned over a hundred acres which included original log cabins, a large lodge and a gold bearing creek that ran through the property located on Jump-Off Joe creek near Grants Pass, Oregon. A back hoe, a large mobile trommel and several high-banker sluices completed the equipment requirements for their guests which usually averaged about 7-8 greenhorn prospectors; mostly father/son and buddy teams. I asked about metal detectors and they gave me a blank look. They didn’t know a thing about metal detectors. Nada. But they seemed fascinated by the concept and said they would like to see one in action. As a result, they invited me to come down for one of the three day mining slots free of charge and demonstrate how a metal detector worked. I had been on my way to Boise Basin for a detecting trip and wasn’t really excited about a gold camp experience, but I had never been to Grants Pass, and what elevated my interest even more was the offer for me to keep any gold I found. They also told me a story about a ¼ oz nugget found by a 14 yr old son of one of their guests who had been walking the creek on their claim and had spied the emerald green quartz/gold specimen lying on a flat rock in the middle of the stream. I saw the gold nugget specimen which Dave had bought from his guests. It was a real beauty and mostly gold. I was rapidly warming to the idea when they threw in a verifiable historical reference concerning a Mr. Henry Wines, the original owner of the claim/property in the 1860’s, who had robbed and murdered several employee-miners and buried them on the property. Mr. Wines was known to have buried a large quantity of gold nuggets on his property over a several year period and was killed by one of his miner-employees in the middle of the night when Wines attempted to murder the miner in his sleep. A few days after Wines was shot and killed, the local sheriff’s party conducted a search of the property and found several buried murder victims but never found the gold nuggets. (I verified the story through old newspaper accounts and mining journals compiled in the book: Settling the Rogue Valley-the tough times-the forgotten people. “Henry Wines-The Meanest Miner on the Jackson-Josephine Border” by Barbara Hegne) Good reading. An agreement was reached where I could have unrestricted access to metal detect the property, including searching for the Wine’s gold stash, and at that point I decided I could spare three days. I met up with Dave and Dale in Grants Pass the first week of July when the creek on their property was just starting to dry up in spots. The road to the claim was a rock crawler’s paradise and took the better part of 2 hours to go just a few miles. At that time I was running a long bed Ford F-250 4X4 truck with a cab over camper and a 4 Runner in tow. I dropped off the tow vehicle at a storage facility and headed out to the property guided by Dave Rutan who took us by way of the “shortcut” described above. Part-2 to follow.
  4. "You can buy small cell phone repeaters to attach to the drone, so if your in a remote location, in a canyon, or hills that get no cell, you can send the drone straight up, to get above hills and mountains to get cell" I could see that being a game changer in remote areas. Probably cheaper than a Sat phone . . .?
  5. Congrats and a tip of the hat to you Bob. You called the shot. Perhaps for different reasons than appeared to be the case at the time, but a win is a win nevertheless.
  6. ECONOMIC GEOLOGY OF THE SIERRA ESTRELLA, MARICOPA AND PINAL COUNTIES, ARIZONA OPEN-FILE REPORT 93-12 September, 1993 Gold and Silver Pegmatites of the Sierra Estrella contain an average of 15 to 40 parts per billion (Ppb) gold with one pegmatite reportedly containing up to 23 ppm gold and 13.5 ppm silver (Korzeb, 1988). While most of the pegmatites are not presently an economically feasible source of gold or silver, they do provide a possible source for gold placer deposits. Since 1980 there have been over 75 placer claims located in the alluvium on the western side of the Sierra Estrella. These claims have not been worked beyond a few exploration trenches (as of 1991). Fool's Gold and Real Gold - How to tell the difference - Geology.com Gold Mineral Properties geology.com › minerals › gold Tests for Gold: How to Test a Rock for Gold - Sciencing sciencing.com › Science › Geology › Minerals & Rocks A small magnet, piece of glass and a bit of unglazed tile can help you identify real gold in a flash. ‎How to Identify Raw Gold · ‎Placer-Deposits-Arizona-Maureen-Johnson Googleology: Many more leads out there ...
  7. Do you live in a gold field or in an area where gold has been found before?
  8. You might consider a walking cast, which should help take the pressure off your ankle. Those type of injuries can take a long time to heal, and are prone to re-injury. I had a torn tendon and ligaments in my left ankle which took two years before it stabilized and still bothers me decades later. Hope the therapy does it for you.
  9. Max, Looks like one I saw out around Atlantic City, East of the Cemetery last summer when I was up there. Still a few old cabin remains hidden in the trees. Very wet winter last year and heavy runoff in all the creeks. Flat tails had a lot of them damned up and most of the good tailing piles were under water.
  10. Wow Max, I just reviewed that story yesterday while researching Forrest Fenn. That one rates right up there with Mel Fisher's finds and the Great Britain Hordes. Probably exceeds both in monetary value even!
  11. Won't it make the Elk meat too blood shot?
  12. Out of the frying pan into the fire . . .
  13. Hi Tom, Thanks for the tip! Actually, I did look at that magnetic sweeper and a couple of others before I found the picnic site and since I already had the basic component parts on hand, decided to cobble one together myself. I used an industrial strength bar magnet that does a good job of sucking up bottle caps, nails, rusty metal debris etc. It doesn't have a release mechanism other than manually scraping stuff off, but that's not hard to do and it's narrow enough to get into tight spots between rocks.
  14. Aug 18, 2009 "STEALING THE PAST: The haul included everything from arrowheads to pots and pendants. There were woven sandals and ceramic figures. There was even a rare turkey-feather blanket and a female loin cloth. All told, undercover investigators purchased 256 artifacts worth more than $335,000. All were illegal. Using an undercover source, agents from the FBI and the US Bureau of Land Management had spent since November 2006 infiltrating a tight-knit community of looters in the Four Corners area who dig up graves and pillage archaeological sites on public lands, then sell the items they find to dealers and collectors. But it wasn't until early June of this year that agents announced their take: Thus far, a total of 24 people have been indicted, 23 arrested and 12 homes searched—including four in Santa Fe. On June 12, federal agents searched the homes of collectors Forrest Fenn, Thomas Cavaliere, Bill Schenck and Christopher Selser, seeking artifacts their undercover source had learned about during the course of the investigation. Although agents seized certain items—as well as computers, business records and photographs—they have yet to file charges against the four Santa Fe residents (most of the arrestees live in Blanding, Utah). While recent daily newspaper coverage has focused on those particular raids, Santa Fe figures heavily into the story of archaeological looting for reasons that go beyond the handful of local dealers whose homes were searched. According to Phil Young, an archaeologist and retired National Park Service special agent, Santa Fe is the "hub of the wheel of the black-market trade" when it comes to illegal artifacts. Young should know: He has been tracking looters since the early 1990s and has seen their methods and networks evolve and expand. Of late, looters have become increasingly sophisticated, Young says, using GPS units and Google Earth to locate archaeological sites, and employing front-end loaders and backhoes to unearth remains. Such focused efforts in some ways reflect another important factor when it comes to archaeological looting. "Historically, the trend has usually been that the amount of looting and vandalism goes up at times when the economy has gone down and, in good economic times, the amount of vandalism and theft goes down," Young says. That trend seems to be holding true right now. "Even here in the Galisteo Basin, within the last year and a half, we've had an unauthorized hole put in a place that hadn't had any holes in 15 years," he says. "We've got that occurring at a historic and prehistoric turquoise mine in the Cerrillos Hills—when times get tough, people get very creative and, a lot of times, the ethical considerations get ignored." The issue of ethics can sometimes be a tricky one, especially considering the different views scientists, Native Americans and collectors take when it comes to the value of what lies beneath the soil. But the laws themselves are clear. Federal and New Mexico state laws protect sites, dictate who may excavate them and how, and ensure that no one can turn a profit on the bones—or sacred items—of someone else's ancestors. That said, the black market in illegal Native American artifacts is an increasingly complex network, one that sometimes overlaps with the drug trade and other crimes—and it's one that federal investigators are trying to wrestle under control. Beginning in the early '90s, a task force convened to clamp down on the theft of sacred objects, artifacts looted from public or tribal lands and human burials. Over coffee and a hash breakfast approximately a month after the Four Corners arrests, Young recalls the variety of criminals apprehended during earlier investigations: In 1994, federal agents confiscated 11 objects considered sacred by the Mescalero Apache Tribe from Santa Fe's East-West Trading Company. In another instance, an energy worker would scout northwestern New Mexico's oil and gas fields for archaeological sites, then return to loot them. After he was charged, he even admitted to using a concrete saw to slice Navajo pictographs from the sandstone bluffs on which they were painted. "Fifteen minutes per panel, he told us," Young says, "to steal those." Then, in the late '90s, an operation in the Farmington area yielded indictments of a dozen looters. That particular ring was also involved in the drug trade: "The guy who was the methamphetamine dealer was trading with meth heads for artifacts," Young says. "They would get high, work off their buzz—their high—doing destructive things to the scientific record, trying to recover these artifacts so they could go get high again." The US is just now catching up to the rest of the world in treating looting and artifact theft as serious crimes. Ten years ago, just three federal agents nationwide dealt full-time with the issue. Now, the FBI alone has 20 agents assigned to the arts and artifacts crimes unit—and one of them is stationed in Santa Fe. Collectors here appreciate—and can afford—rare items. But New Mexico is also a state in which looters are wreaking destruction. With a sweet, easy smile that somehow doesn't distract from the serious issue at hand, archaeologist Norman Nelson breaks down the enormity of New Mexico's looting problem. A native New Mexican and second-generation archaeologist, Nelson has worked in archaeology for three decades. "If you were to take the southwestern part of the state, we conservatively estimate that 95 percent of those sites have been damaged—and that's [by] everything from a shovel to a bulldozer," Nelson, who now works at the state Historic Preservation Division and is acting coordinator of the state's SiteWatch program, says. The prehistoric pottery found in that part of the state—Mimbres-style pottery has distinctive black-on-white geometric designs and, oftentimes, human or animal figures—is a high-end item, he says, that appeals to collectors, particularly those in places such as Scandinavia, Sweden, Germany, Japan and China. The black-market trade in artifacts is a $5 billion to $6 billion a year business, Nelson says—and it makes up a significant chunk of the illegal global market. "Arms is first, illegal drugs is second and artifacts is third." For complete review and additional details on how Fenn made his money (legally): https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjyj53RofPpAhUaIDQIHXjACMAQFjAAegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfreporter.com%2Fnews%2Fcoverstories%2F2009%2F08%2F19%2Fstealing-the-past%2F&usg=AOvVaw1LZ0-EdIYD1oahT0zLZWEF
  15. 10/17/2018 "A Pennsylvania man arrested for burglarizing Forrest Fenn's New Mexico house told police he believed the famed art and antiquities collector's treasure would be there. Robert Miller, of Pine Grove, Pennsylvania, was arrested Friday and charged with residential burglary, breaking and entering and criminal damage to property after he used an ax to break into Fenn's Old Santa Fe Trail home. Miller told a Santa Fe police officer that he flew to Santa Fe because he believed the treasure chest that Fenn says he's stashed somewhere in the Rocky Mountain region, said to be filled with gold coins and other valuables worth more than $1 million, was at the house" Maybe Fenn wisely decided to try and avoid further incidents of this nature . . .
  16. I agree. Not only that, the find predates the discovery of gold in NV by over a 100 years. That's what makes it even more of a mystery.
  17. Forrest Fenn’s treasure found in Rocky Mountains “The guy who found it does not want his name mentioned. He’s from back East,” Forrest Fenn said. A perfect ending to the story . . .
  18. Lots of German immigrant miners back in the day. Did you happen to find any old rusted pieces of metal around where the coin was found that could have been part of a Bratwurst cart? Nice find!
  19. "Forrest Fenn was an art, antique dealer and author from Santa Fe, New Mexico, and before the treasure hunt, Fenn conflicted with authorities over Federal antiquities law. FBI agents raided his home in 2009 as part of an investigation into artifact looting in the Four Corners area and seized items, but he was not charged. Two people targeted in the case committed suicide, and Fenn has blamed the FBI for their deaths" Fenn's gallery sold a variety of American Indian artifacts, paintings, bronze sculptures, and other art, including forged copies of works by Modigliani, Monet, Degas, and other artists. The gallery reportedly grossed $6 million a year" We all tend to look at this story from different perspectives, depending upon our own background and experience. The fact that Fenn was an art and antique dealer tends to place him in a special category of "believably" in my experience as a Fraud Investigator. Fenn, being Irish, might share a figurative genetic connection to Darby o'gill, and have story telling in his DNA. But I wonder what kind of story a reliable polygraph might tell? And I would love to know what his insurance claim history looks like.
  20. I like his biopic introspection and expressive poetry. Wouldn't be surprised if the motivational emphasis in his mind was the sharing of the thrill of the hunt with others. That rings true to me more so than his explanation about "giving people hope". Also wouldn't be surprised if he actually was involved in setting up the recovery. More to this than meets the eye perhaps.
  21. I never saw it although I heard about it. Thanks Max.
  22. Way to go matt! How thin and eroded were the coins, especially the dimes and clads? I used to hit the beaches after summer holidays; all up and down the L.A. (Malibu, Zuma) Ventura, and Santa Barbara coasts. Also, after those big "pine apple express" storms would pass through that area. Made a lot of very worn finds, and occasionally, a nice piece of jewelry near the volley ball nets, around the life guard towers, and once was able to help a distraught newlywed find his lost diamond encrusted wedding ring and almost got a kiss from the bride! I was more that happy with a beer as a consolation prize. The amount of lost parking meter quarters was often the biggest payoff at Redondo and Huntington beaches, and of course the time honored ritual of sea nymph gazing made for for good times indeed!
  23. Sounds like somebody that anyone would want to meet. I will always regret that I didn't look him up during the time he lived in Deming or even later when he moved over to to Dona Ana Co. He had a lot of experience and insights about MD searching, less obvious places to go, and details that I was able to benefit from. Another guy I always wanted to meet who lived in Deming, was Skeeter Skelton, who worked as a Customs BP officer. He was a well known Pistolero and gun writer for Shooting Times. He turned out some great gun articles as well as a lot of stories based on life experience and loaded with home spun wisdom. The Ill Gotten Gains of Me and Joe, The Golden Spurs of Dobie Grant. and others. He was on the Border Patrol pistol team along with Bill Jordan, who gave shooting exhibitions by placing an aspirin on the back of his hand waist high, then drawing and shooting the aspirin before it hit the ground! Great nostalgia. Keep 'em coming Max!
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