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  1. Funny visual! I was driving through Arivaca, AZ about 20 years ago and saw a lady standing on her back porch with a broom in her hand trying to shoo away a large herd of Javalinas that was destroying her flower bed. They ignored her until she waded out into them swinging her broom, then they slowly ambled out into traffic, seemingly not bothered by passing cars. Looked like they pretty much had the run of the place . . .
  2. Could be the best "advice" you could get on this or any other forum. You can only gear up so much, until you risk becoming psychologically dependent on the next new thing syndrome. In general, what I have found a need for in a detector/coil package is the potential for reasonable depth capability, and a good ability to handle mineralization. That's the basics (at least for me) A PI, a VLF, and about 3 coils, (as Fred suggested) A lot of other factors may come into play depending upon the individual, but Fred's take on the subject is spot on. Keep in mind that successful gold hunters in the past learned to use the gear they had. Many, only had one detector and one coil but they usually invested considerable time in learning how and where to waive the coil they had.
  3. Coronado’s Campsite Discovered! (by metal detector enthusiast)! "In 1540 Spanish Conquistador Don Francisco Vasquez de Coronado arrived (in what is now NM) by way of Mexico in search of the fabled Cibola, or Seven Cities of Gold. He claimed the area as the “Kingdom of New Mexico,” a part of the larger empire known as New Spain" Coronado also wandered through the Panhandle area of Texas and into Kansas searching for the mythical land of Quivira, also (reportedly), a city of gold" "Coronado’s exact route has long been a matter of debate (and dispute) among Historians and Archaeologist Experts" The following article describes the discovery and pinpointing of the exact location of a Coronado campsite in Texas by a metal detector hobbyist and "establishes that the previous estimations of Coronado's route of travel, was off by about 100 miles or more" ARTICLE: (Copied, edited and condensed from publication(s) dated August 15, 2004 by the West Texas Historical Association and from The Christian Science Monitor Science and Technology dated April 24, 1995.) "A campsite of Francisco Vazquez de Coronado, the first European explorer to wander through West Texas, has been located south of Floydada, Texas in Blanco Canyon. (N/E of Lubbock) An archaeological dig under the direction of Dr. Donald Blakeslee, Professor of Anthropology at Wichita State University in Kansas, is in progress. Dr. Blakeslee believes the site, located on privately owned property, is where Coronado camped for 2 weeks in 1541 before leading a small detachment in search of Quivira, in northeast Kansas" "An encampment of 300 soldiers, 1,500 Indians and servants, 1,000 horses and thousands of other animals should have left a lot of detritus in two weeks. Dr. Blakeslee reminds us, though, that the Indian trail through the canyon has seen use for 11,000 years. His own dig has found metallic items linked to Indians, Comancheros, Ranald Mackenzie’s army, and pioneer settlers. Thus, a Spanish chain mail gauntlet plowed up in the 1960s in a Floyd County pasture, though persuasive, is not definitive proof of Coronado’s presence; other expeditions could have passed through the region. However, Dr. Blakeslee states that certain finds are uniquely indicative of the Coronado expedition. The most important are metal points from crossbow bolts. Coronado’s campaign is the only one known to have carried crossbows. The site in Blanco Canyon is called the Jimmy Owens site, to honor the Floydada municipal employee who discovered the site and spent much of his spare time exploring it with a metal detector. Of the 40 bolt points that have been recovered, Owens found most of them in only one afternoon, and many of those were found near the surface. Dr. Blakeslee had given a talk in the Panhandle region, stressing the search for Coronado and the idea that crossbow bolt points might be found. Jimmie Owens in Floydada, influenced by the talk, began his metal detector forays into Blanco Canyon and began turning up unusual copper and iron points. Owens, an avid metal-detector buff who first reported the metal points, described the canyon in his laconic style: "It's like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates down there. You never know what you're going to get." Owens came forward with his points and Dr. Blakeslee confirmed that the points fit the general pattern of those from a confirmed Coronado encampment in Albuquerque. Unlike many collectors, Owens had the courage to come forward and show his material to archaeologists, which led to the recognition of the site. Owens died a few years after the discovery, but was hailed as the key player, a metal-detector buff credited with being the first person to have located evidence, (crossbow points) resulting in positive confirmation of an additional Coronado camp site, and significantly altering the previously accepted Coronado exploration route. As a result,the site was was named for him. At the beginning of the dig, the archaeologists were being informed that the crossbow points had been coming from about 10 inches down in the soil. In other words, If there was a site there, it was buried under sediment that had accumulated on the canyon floor. The problem was, NO artifacts were being found by the so called experts, the archaeologists! Astonishingly, the metal artifacts were only being found by the talented metal detector buffs (Owens and fellow Artiste') At lunch, the concerned archaeologists pointed out that not a single archaeologist had witnessed a cross bow bolt head come out of the ground. Could the whole thing be a fraud? About that time Jimmy Owens came by with his metal detector, and went over an area where he had found a concentration of metal objects from various periods, and while we were standing there, he detected and dug up an iron awl of a type made in Europe and traded in the area, probably in the early 1800s. No doubt, there was a native village site in the canyon, and it clearly seemed to have been a gathering spot in ancient times. And, after another day or so, all suspicion was removed when the metal detector artistes starting turning up a few more copper crossbow bolt heads in the presence of the archaeologists. "Artiste" was no exaggeration. Amidst the many signals of ranch debris in the valley, Jimmy Owens could guess with some accuracy whether he had a bolt head, whether it was copper or iron, and how far down it was! All of the recovered artifacts have been donated to the Floyd County Historical Museum. Date(s) of discovery 1993-1995. It is revealing to note that, especially in the past, historians often tended to disagree on matters concerning when and where certain Spanish Explorers traveled, including the routes of travel etc., particularly in the Southwestern U.S., and there are/were many illuminating reasons for that as we discover when we take the time to research these issues ourselves. How far off were the "experts" with regards to the history of Spanish exploration (and mining) in Arizona? To be continued . . .
  4. Absolutely! And there are many examples of that principle all over the place! AZ and NV to be sure. In certain areas, much of the ground that turns up nuggets, happens to be on the way to "better looking" ground. And don't forget the 4X4 trail goin' in! Honest to God, in gold country . . . even if you're takin' a P, You've still got one hand free! Statistically speaking of course.
  5. Personally Chris, based on looks alone I don't see much that I would get excited about. I'm not seeing a lot of iron stained quartz you were talkin' about and not a bunch of other signs of mineralization, like red stone, green stone, black (or dark stone that is magnetic), magnetite etc. You can stick your magnet in the ground to check minerialization. The black sand in the soil gives you an idea of how hot the ground is. More is generally better. The ground looks a little loamy. Might be a ways down to bedrock and you didn't mention bedrock being visible anywhere. (not that it has to be but It sometimes helps to show how deep the gold might be) The red dirt might be an indicator but that's not always the case. The tailing piles might get you started, if you think it's old timer's workings and you are in gold country. I think I might want to check the low spots/drainages, if there's some exposed bedrock, so much the better. Those contact zones sound interesting, (as a place to concentrate), especially if you can identify color changes along the length of travel. Finally, schist can hide gold pretty well. If it's shattered and will break up easily, could be worth while to dig into. VLF's sometimes have a problem hearing small gold in schist, unless you open it up a bit, but a PI seems to do OK. Good Luck.
  6. I hate this part of living here, but it's too dam cold to go North to get away from it. I have no doubt that Texas would have been a lot smaller were it not for these cyclonic dust storms here in NM. Can't do nuthin' but hunker down and ride it out.
  7. Don't worry Bob, a charm offensive is only designed to catch someone off guard, and it's usually only effective for a short time. I don't think Clay's sleeping, he's probably bored, but he seems to catch fire pretty quickly when he wants to. We may find out here shortly. Oh by the way, the main thrust of the Kenworthy book has to do with Spanish mine workings. He claims that the miners worked mostly in the temperate months and sealed up the mines during the heat of the summer and sometimes had to close them down because of Indian activity. To me, that makes more sense than tales of buried "treasure".
  8. I have not read this particular book but I have read several Kenworthy books. They are in the "religious and spiritual" section for a good reason. You need a whole lot of faith and you must really BELIEVE to make the connection to his theories. Much is based on fact but there are always huge leaps in logic. And he is never afraid to twist two real stories into one new one... Like the story that the Spanish records were stored in Santa Fe and burned in the revolt. Thanks Bob, I appreciate the civility in the tone of your response and comments. I didn't mean to throw you a red herring but the speculation regarding the Spanish records in Santa Fe was not taken from Kenworthy's publication, it came from another source. I certainly do not defend as gospel anything that Kenworthy wrote, even the mine monument descriptions themselves outside of what I witnessed for myself. The more research I do, the more I suspect that there is (or is not, depending on points of view), more to the subject than meets the eye. It is revealing to note that, especially in the past, historians often tended to disagree on matters concerning when and where certain Spanish Explorers traveled, including the routes of travel etc., particularly in the Southwestern U.S., and there are/were many illuminating reasons for that as we discover when we take the time to research these issues ourselves. To be continued, I'm sure. Thanks again,
  9. "Stones laid in clay or mud are certainly not evidence of the Spanish and stones laid in some type of mortar is almost certainly not Spanish. What makes you think this was the work of the Spanish instead of someone else?" I agree with you Bob, in that there is obviously, no de facto correlation in re: the above. I don't know how these (altered) stone formations came into existence, nor do I postulate any independently provable theory that might reasonably be considered factual, (outside of Kenworthy's claims) The only correlation that I was advancing in the original post was that Kenworthy's research, as described in his publication, seemed worthy of consideration at the very time that I was presented with a visual of these so-called "monuments", and the photographs of similar objects in his book, along with methods of verification he offered, seemed eminently plausible because they matched what I was seeing on the ground. To me, The" Mortar", looked exactly like it had been made from the finest El Toro powdered cement, with no visible aggregate; gray in appearance, smooth in texture, and had been used in a small application where it was barely noticeable unless and until, it was viewed close up. The one such example that I remember most distinctly, is: (On top of the second "Indian Head" photo where the tiny hole of light is visible) The mortared spot is to the left of the sky hole and is broader at the base; (a small, tapered volcanic cone shaped mass), that is lighter in color, when compared to the darker basalt type colored main structure of the formation itself. (Apologies for the low light/sundown conditions which prevents a clear visual) It resembled a small pedestal which served to support the rectangular shaped rock on top of it. How do we get from what we determine to be crude rock work to knowing who did it and exactly what it meant? That is the burning question that I have been attempting to answer, (for my own edification), from the time I first ran across these formations. From the Library of Congress and other sources, I have researched as many of the Spanish Royal Cedulas/Decrees regarding Spanish mining and exploration, that I could find ,(in NM and AZ especially) Through various historical documents. I have painstakingly read (and am continuing to read), translations from Spanish records, journals etc. (and publications created by historians going back to Bancroft, Bandelier, et al.) I have also studied more dated subject material (1825?), such as, "The Ordinances of the Mines of New Spain ( translated from the original Spanish ; with observations upon the mines and mining associations etc.") And numerous others . . . The list of reference material is virtually inexhaustible as I'm sure you know. The upshot is, (to your point,) Not a single word is mentioned about mine markers, not to mention Poodles, Chihuahuas etc. Nor, frankly did I expect to find any such reference(s) I would suspect that any information of the kind would be restricted and tightly held for obvious (need to know) reasons. So where does that leave us? And where do we go from here? I referred to the monuments as a classic dichotomy of an anomaly, which I thought appropriate since there appears to be a dialectic juxtaposition (and dichotomy) between the historically in-explicit (absent Kenworthy;s doctrine), hand carved characteristics of the stone object(s), as opposed to the lack of any apparent historical references that we might reasonably expect to be able to rely upon as a resource/explanation on this topic. (Unless the information exists in the historical archives in Spain where Kenworthy allegedly obtained much of his research material on the topic of mine monuments) Mordida? Quien Sabe! However, that does appear to be where this is going.The recorded reports of the history of mining and related issues in NM and AZ that were deposited in Santa Fe during the time period in question, might well have been able to provide some insightful answers, but it is alleged that those records were destroyed during the Pueblo revolt of 1680. So, we would seem to be S.O.L. at this point (without Kenworthy's source material now said to be in possession of his son) I remain firmly convinced that the stone formations present a prima facie (and curious) anomaly) and I also firmly believe that there is further substance to be explored on this issue.
  10. Or a reputable coin shop/dealer perhaps. Although it might be wise to declare them as potentially counterfeit before presenting them for inspection, lest the transaction be misinterpreted as an attempt to pass or sell bogus coinage. The reason I suggest this is: Several years ago, I met a lady who had children that found a handful of counterfeit pieces of eight while playing/digging in the backyard of an older residence in Fort Lee, New Jersey, The strike appeared to be pretty good but the metal was not silver and even though I had explained upfront the circumstances of the find and had not offered the coins for sale, the coin dealer became quite indignant over my inquiry, which was simply why would anyone counterfeit such obvious fakes.
  11. Ahmad, are you asking that the coins be valued? As in, establishing value? If so, I'm not sure that can be done without seeing both sides of the coins along with a description of what they are exactly, including year and mint mark.
  12. Fini? (finally!) Please God, let it be so. And the congregation (forum) said, Amen!
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