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  1. Most old dimes fit that description Torque. For that matter most metals fit that description. What makes you think this particular dime is composed of platinum? Welcome to the forum Torque.
  2. You mean "Dakota Slim" is your real name?
  3. Ahhh ... it might be a signed one then! In a strange twist of fate the one's signed by Bunk are actually worth less than a regular old beat up one. The previous owner probably couldn't sell it without the cover up paint job. I think your price is fine if you have proof it's an unsigned original.
  4. Looks like new. Is it the original collectable hand signed high speed version?
  5. Yeah I know those guys. They can spit ... so there's something. I'll bet the new meteorite hunting drone ends up coming back over and over again with bits of Hematite and Basalt insisting they are meteorites from mars. ...
  6. Have a heart, give Bob a break about the photo. He looks like a handsome model in that photo compared to real life. Let him ride it while he still can. Nice fish Bob and a great photo! Thanks for sharing. It took skill and patience for Bob to put an arrow through that fish where he was. Me? I fish deeper waters with M-80s. Very effective. Quick and humane too - it just stuns the ones that aren't turned into chum. Take what you need and leave the rest. No skill or patience needed and no holes from spears either. On topic: Precious metals - where are they? I've got none, I've never seen any, don'tknowwhatyertalkinbout' One guarantee though precious metals will be in the last place you look ... but probably not inside a fish.
  7. I know he's asking about fat hill. The problem is fat hill doesn't really fit the part of the riddle "the ore from the mines of this old town helped to grow the city of Los Angeles, back in the day". At the time they were mining fat hill Los Angles was known as the "queen of cow towns" and had a population of less than 7 thousand people (there were a lot more cows). Fat hill had it's own smelters and only used the port of Los Angles to ship the lead, zinc and silver bars they had extracted. Other than a few more wagons a month rolling through town I doubt Los Angles even noticed the fat hill operation. Los Angles and Santa Monica were all about growing and shipping beef to the gold mines back then. So which do you go with? Atolia which produced more silver than fat hill and was near the end of the 20th century California desert mining boom (not high enough) or fat hill - not much effect on L.A. being so early but well over a mile in elevation. You can visit fat hill for $10. You can visit Atolia by just pulling over as you drive through on your way to Randsburg.
  8. The California Rand Silver mines produced more than 7 million dollars in silver at 65 cents an ounce in the 1920's. The deposit was so rich no development work was needed to get at the ore; they just scooped it out. After two months $1,770,000 worth of ore had been extracted and the mine was still just a hole 50 feet deep, with no waste dump. The town name is Atolia.
  9. clay

    Sharpie hack

    But Sharpies taste so much better!
  10. I can't tell you what the State Trust's plans are Chris. I doubt they will share those plans with the public before they carry them out. Jackass Flats is popular and a good camping spot but there are others nearby. It would change the San Domingo area to have Jackass flats closed and I'm sure some of the many new home owners out there would like to see it closed. My opinion, the homeowners opinion and others don't matter much to the State Trusts. Most people mistake State Trust Lands to be Public Lands. In all respects State Trust Land belongs to the 13 trusts - not the State of Arizona and not the people of Arizona. This makes State Trust Lands the same as private land a far as property management is concerned. The general public have no right to use these lands without permission. The only "plan" the State Trusts are subject to is their obligation to fund the specific trust any particular piece of trust land belongs too. Recreation, grazing, farming, mining, timber and land sales/leases fund these trusts and the trust can do what it likes to generate income from that land. The area of your concern east of the lake belongs to the Common Schools Trust. It is leased for grazing and in the recent past has been leased for mining. The Common Schools Trust may have arranged another lease that requires restricting that land from recreational use during the lease period. These State Trusts can shut down any area they own to recreation, they have no obligation to serve the public. The area around Jackass Flats is also part of the Common Schools Trust. It could be closed to camping if it was decided that would benefit the trust. The grazing rights at Jackass Flats are leased by the Common Schools Trust to Rex Maugham until 2026. The minerals there appear to be available currently for lease from the State Trust.
  11. That's Arizona State Land Chris, no mining claims there. Interestingly the sign cites State laws against trespassing. Nothing about motor vehicles or camping in those laws.
  12. Thanks again for sharing your opinion Bob. I guess you missed the "unusual or critical conditions" refuge wide Oryx depredation hunts in 2011 - 2012? From the September 2011 FWS bulletin. Changes to African Gemsbok (Oryx) Management Program at Bosque del Apache National Wildlife Refuge Previously at Bosque del Apache National Wildlife Refuge oryx were managed by allowing access to hunters with an off-range oryx tag on the east side of the refuge during deer season. This control method has been found ineffective as oryx continue to spread across the refuge and was therefore discontinued. The Refuge will now control oryx through managed public depredation hunts in cooperation with the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish (NMDGF). Based on observation of oryx by refuge staff and a network of game cameras, the Refuge will request a variable number of depredation tags from NMDGF on a monthly basis. Hunters on the NMDGF list for oryx depredation permits will be contacted by the state if their name is drawn for these tags. The tags will be valid for 9 days of hunting, although this time period may be adjusted in future years. The depredation hunts are planned to begin during the fall of 2011. I had two friends take Oryx on those hunts. Good eating those "swamp" Oryx are. There are off season and off range hunting permits Bob although it's not surprising most people don't know about them. The New Mexico Special Permit Off Season Oryx Hunt is granted to 10 selected injured military service members each year. It's not a common permit but the Bosque extends special off season Oryx hunting privileges to those 10 annual winners each year - just as it says in the regulations I posted. Arizona has a similar off range and off season program for Elk. http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/special-oryx-hunts-available-for-injured-service-members/
  13. You have stated this opinion (belief?) before Bob. United States law says the opposite as I already demonstrated in the linked Federal Law USC 16 above. The Fish and Wildlife Service regulations that control the administration of National Wildlife Refuges also disagree with your belief. 50 CFR § 32.1 Opening of wildlife refuge areas to hunting. The opening of a wildlife refuge area to hunting will be dependent upon the provisions of law applicable to the area and upon a determination by the Secretary that the opening of the area to the hunting of migratory game birds, upland game, or big game will be compatible with the principles of sound wildlife management and will other-wise be in the public interest. The opening or closing of wildlife refuge areas to hunting shall be in accordance with the rulemaking requirements of the Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. 553) If the Secretary of Interior doesn't make a determination to be open to hunting/fishing (after notice and public comment periods) it's not going to happen. If the Secretary of Interior doesn't make a determination to be closed to hunting/fishing (after notice and public comment periods) it's not going to happen. That's the law and the regulation. Of course each National Wildlife Reserve gets to add comments or requests just as the public and State/local governments do if they want during the required comment period before it becomes a regulation. In the end though it's the Secretary of Interior's determination that makes it happen no matter what comments or suggestions are received. The whole purpose of the Administrative Procedures Act (APA) is to create an open process with public input thus eliminating overreach and hidden agendas by local agency managers. Generally the whole notice/comment/determination process required by the Administrative Procedure Act (law) takes the better part of a year and often as long as several years. After the notice, comment and final Secretary determination is all finished the whole shebang is printed under 50 CFR regulations to inform the public that certain types of game/methods of hunting/fishing will be allowed at certain times and in certain places. You can see the individual rules/regs/times/game/places determined by the Secretary printed there. For example here is the current published determination of the Secretary regarding big game hunting regulations for the Bosque del Apache National Wildlife Refuge. From the Fish and Wildlife Code of Federal Regulations 50 CFR § 32.50. As you can see it covers what can be hunted, where it can be hunted, how it can be hunted and when it can be hunted. We allow hunting of mule deer, javelina, oryx, and bearded Rio Grande turkey on designated areas of the refuge in accordance with State regulations subject to the following conditions: 1. Refer to the refuge map for designated areas. (linked to in my previous post) 2. Hunting hours are from 1/2 hour before legal sunrise to 1/2 after legal sunset. 3. We allow the use of dogs when hunting. 4. Hunting on the eastside of the Rio Grande is by foot or horseback only. 5. We allow oryx hunting from the east bank of the Rio Grande and east to the refuge boundary. We will allow hunters possessing a valid State special off-range permit to hunt oryx on the refuge during the concurrent State deer season. 6. We allow incidental take of feral hog by those legally licensed for, and participating in, other big game hunting activities. You may take feral hog only with a method allowed within each refuge hunt unit. We prohibit the use of dogs for this activity. (mmmmm Oryx are good eating! As I'm sure you know Bob the Bosque has been fighting an Oryx infestation for many years and in the past has opened up the entire Reserve to off-season Oryx hunting permits to try to eradicate the herds.) If there is to be a material change in the published Fish and Wildlife 50 CFR regulations the entire notice, comment and determination process has to take place all over again. That process has already been completed for the Trump administration opening of refuges for hunting but it's still just beginning the process for the Biden Administration opening of more refuges to hunting. I hope that clears things up for those who may be confused.
  14. That's not how it works. Individual refuge management does not determine what can be hunted. Very specifically that is the duty assigned to the Secretary of the Interior by Congress. The Secretary proposes regulations, a comment period follows, the Secretary then makes a decision and publishes it in the Federal Register. There is no legal process for a refuge manager to over rule or modify the Secretary's order. Only the Secretary can order an area closed to hunting except in "unusual or critical conditions". This is known as due notice and due process under the Administrative Procedures Act. This keeps local management from becoming tyrants and provides for public input at every step in the process and gives reliable advance notice of where and when you can hunt a refuge. Read the actual law describing the process to open or close hunting on federal managed lands: https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title16/chapter98&edition=prelim Notice that right up front Congress describes national policy as: "Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that Federal departments and agencies, in accordance with the missions of the departments and agencies, and applicable law, shall— (1) facilitate the expansion and enhancement of hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting opportunities on Federal land, in consultation with the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council, the Sport Fishing and Boating Partnership Council, State and Tribal fish and wildlife agencies, and the public;"
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