Capt

I keep coming back to this story, as well as others. I use to be around a lot of therapeutic cult deprogramming and other abuse related stuff. Now days I'm only a researcher and a moderator in a forum on the topic. It is so very common for officials to be involved in this stuff also. Thanks for a public posting of your take on this one.

Not sure if this fits here, but "The greasiest wheel is the least likely to squeek." If this doesn't make any sense, see my post referring to the best chardonnay.

new is ancient and ancient is new. I all know is guess work can be fun when it envolves government grants. So, back then California was in the USSR, right? Note: J Lohr makes some of the best Chardonnay. Smooth creamy melolactic fermentation. I believe from Paso Robles.

Jobs that handle money in unprotected areas around unscrupulous people are a ticket for disaster. Some jobs aren't worth it. Glad you didn't get the job.

Intro gone? Well, some say we are a secretive bunch, at least until they buy into the idea. Sure, more detector forums, and pictures. Yeah pictures.

Ok, I've got a fresh mind this morning. Is there anything that you could say about living in Pahrump that would inform someone possibly looking to live there? Arial maps make it look like there are many developments that have stalled out.

I would say something but I am way beyond coherent thought in regards to Pahs rump.

welcome to this community, I'm just here for the information which I hope to use someday, so when it comes to rocks I'm uninformed. but if it is about cars, guns, and music I'm all ears. Like your area.

Reminds me I need to get up that way to the Top Of The Line Farms. For fall colors, I always think of the Mississippi River around Iowa to Wisconsin. My mind goes back to a houseboat watching barges come and go.

correct, just as long as they work off the same voltage and have the right polarity.

Interesting how it looks like it "grew" that way. From the top or the bottom.

I appreciate you all's encouragement. I'll just leave a little bit in my "about me" I am sure my stuff doesn't fit here, yet it was my experience(one that wakes me up from time to time) It is "like" if you had talked to and knew a victim of David Parker Ray and got much of the inside story from a witness. Hard to talk about stuff, which really brings a party down. Capt

Don't think I'm good enough of a writer to express my experiences in a way that would be accepted around here as general entertainment. I seem to have a lot, just don't think the stories are something anybody would really want to hear.

Seems all humans need a PR dept to manage what is said. but what the hay, I've got something for the 2 legged varmits. oops!! lol

Good you didn't get a flat, a boot, or something more morbid.

And a Federal judge throws out the court case to return Geronimo's bones. ???????

Looks like a vaquaro spur. Most are pretty wicked.

My link Where Dams Once Stood, Prospectors Spur Anger By FELICITY BARRINGER Published: September 3, 2010 Share CloseLinkedinDiggMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalink GOLD HILL, Ore. — When four dams on the Rogue River here were scheduled for removal, environmentalists predicted many benefits: more salmon and steelhead swimming upriver to spawn; more gravel carried downriver to replenish the riverbed; more rafters bobbing along 57 miles of newly opened water. Leah Nash for The New York Times With the removal of the Gold Ray Dam on the Rogue River in Oregon, salmon and steelhead will have better access to 333 miles of spawning habitat upstream. Leah Nash for The New York Times Bob Hunter, a staff lawyer for WaterWatch. What they did not bargain for was the arrival this summer of a clutch of people, eager to sift through the tons of gravel for flakes of gold once hidden behind the dams. Prospectors cluster slightly downriver from where the dams used to be. Their suction dredges blare together, in a discordant fanfare louder than lawnmowers. Resentment now flows as freely as the river. Environmentalists and some riverside homeowners see the gold dredgers as noisy invaders rearranging the riverbed without care for the insects, fish and people who live in and along the Rogue. A state senator, Jason Atkinson, has announced that he will introduce legislation to ban the practice of dredging for gold; three state newspapers have editorialized in support of a temporary ban pending further study. “This is interfering with the ambience, the sense of what the Rogue is about,” said Bob Hunter, a lawyer with WaterWatch, a nonprofit environmental group. He spent 23 years organizing, cajoling and filing lawsuits to bring down the four dams, the last of which was removed Aug. 11. The river, he said, “is about rafting and hiking and fishing.” “It’s not about industrial mining,” he added. “To have this adversely affect what this is all about is a shame.” Lesley Adams, who works for KSWild, another environmental group, said she feared for the health of the salmon runs that the Rogue has in more abundance than any other Oregon river but the Columbia. Dam removals “have made great strides in restoring the salmon runs,” she said. But, she added, “while we’re working so hard to restore this river, we’re letting gasoline-powered engines suck up the bottom of the river.” Bill Meyers, the Rogue Basin coordinator for the state Department of Environmental Quality, was less concerned, saying that new, tighter permit restrictions should protect the river, “provided the dredgers are following their permits.” For their part, the miners, many of them escaping a temporary dredging ban across the state line in California, see themselves as citizens whose rights are under siege. Frank Werberger, 71, a retired pipe welder who drove up from his home in Ojai, Calif., to dredge the Rogue, said of his environmentalist adversaries: “They attack dredgers first because we’re the ones they dislike the most. Then they will attack fishermen and kayakers. Then rafters.” A nugget of gold weighing three-quarters of an ounce dangles from a leather string on his chest, a reminder of the thrill of finding gold winking amid the gravel in a sluice pan. Another prospector, Dave Bray, 47, is a native of the Rogue Valley. Emerging from the waters of the Rogue, he pulled down the top of his wetsuit and talked about his feeling that his hobby was “spiritual.” Fish, he said, come and swim around him, eating the insect life dislodged by his dredging hose. His friend Ken Kriege, 54, of Ontario, Calif., added that prospecting had environmental benefits, like loosening compacted gravel, which provides a better spawning surface for fish, and removing toxic metals, like the mercury left behind by Oregon’s 19th-century gold miners. As for damage, Mr. Kriege said that the dredges’ impact on the riverbed was “like fluffing a pillow,” and that the recent removal of nearby Gold Ray dam had turned the river into “chocolate milk,” creating more temporary turbidity than any dredger. Senator Atkinson and the environmental leaders point out that many cars parked along the river carry California license plates. But Beth Moore, general permits coordinator for the Oregon Department of Environmental Quality, said 1,205 dredging permits had been issued this year, up from 934 in 2009. Of 432 new applications, only about 54 — or 12.5 percent — of the permits went to Californians. The prospectors must follow newly stringent state rules aimed at keeping a distance between dredges and reducing the size of their hoses. The removal of dams in the area of the Rogue River near Grants Pass and Gold Hill, about 12 miles north of Medford, Ore., has been both a blessing and a curse to the miners. (Page 2 of 2) On the one hand, there is the possibility that the piles of gravel from behind the Rogue dams will contain previously overlooked gold. On the other, the rush of silt in the days after a dam breach makes dredging as pleasant as driving in a thick fog. Leah Nash for The New York Times Gold dredgers from Texas, California and Arizona have descended on the Rogue River, many calling themselves the New 49’ers. Rogue RiverNoise is the most obvious environmental impact of suction dredging, but not the most studied. Over the last 25 years, scientific studies have raised questions about other effects on riverine ecosystems, but have come to no clear conclusion. The dredges can suck up fish eggs and small fry. But the season for dredging is in the summer, when little or no spawning is under way. The miners also carve out what Mr. Atkinson called “massive holes” in the riverbed, leaving piles of gravel just below the dredge, and uproot the insect colonies that are the bottommost link of the aquatic food chain. But the sudden cloud of insects also draws fish in to feed, the insect colonies reform within weeks or months, and high winter flows on the river can rearrange and smooth out the gravel piles. A 2009 review of scientific studies by the California Department of Fish and Game highlighted numerous concerns about dredging’s environmental effects, but found no unambiguous or lasting harm to a river’s ecosystem. Unless, that is, the neighbors in that ecosystem are included. Dave Christiensen, 66, a retired landscape construction manager, owns a second home just below Gold Ray dam. “This year, these guys are going seven days a week,” he said. “We’ve asked them, ‘Could you put mufflers on these things?’ They say, ‘We have a permit and the government allows us to do this.’” Mr. Bray, the dredger, said that his encounters with neighbors had been generally cordial. “I’ve converted some,” he added. Not Terrell and Sharon Smith of Gold Hill, who on Monday circulated an e-mail among the antidredging forces. “No one seems to be addressing what the homeowners are going through with fouled irrigation pumps from the silt and gravel the dredgers are kicking up,” they wrote.

Go deep or go home?

Go deep or go home?

thinkin stinkin tinkers are good. I are one myself. On the way to a better mouse trap we landed on the moon.

No not at all, yet there are many reasons for gold prices to be where they are at. Rather than the easy way, I would choose to think of it as the most effective way, otherwise there wouldn't be companies in the business and yet some of their tailings are reported to be of benefit to sort through. So I'm thinking of the various methods and what are the most productive with consideration to time and money spent. I like to ask questions that might challenge conventional wisdom, while learning about methods and monetary risk.

That's a topic in itself. Not that I really care so much globally, but there is a lot of meaning, since the US dollar isn't tied to the yellow metal anymore.

I could see how full timed RVing, if roughing it part time, workamping, and prospecting could generate enough to keep a family going, with other streams of income coming in. I find it interesting with the price of gold what it is now that it isn't more than a possiblity to make a living. I guess at one time to make it profitable companies turned to hydraulics to wash away rock layers, increasing the area that was worked at one time. Are there ways to simplify working the hill that are less time consuming that pick and shovel methods? Separation seems to be the hold back in working dirt. Or maybe location methods for large areas?