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  1. Seems like just when a discussion gets deep, "someone" pisses in my beer. Maybe I'll come back later, when things have cooled down. <_<
  2. As I stated before, I really don't give a squat about May 5th. I did find it interesting that the Mexican army stopped the French who were on their way to help the Confecerate army in our Civil War. I can't help but wonder about the outcome if the South had won. I don't feel as the Mexicans had any idea of what was taking place at the time, they were just fighting the French invaders. All that aside, the U.S.A. is in big trouble and I don't see any resolution to our existing predicament. Our gov't is out of control and it seems to me that the majority of our population are just "sheeple", following along, totally oblivious to what lies around the next corner. I fear a U.S.S.A. is in the making. ( United Socialist States of America. ) Pray my freinds, pray very, very hard. ( while you can, and where you can. ) The time for turning things around grows short.
  3. Apart from the NYT, I love stories like this, thanks for sharing.
  4. This should complete the story,..... Cinco de Mayo, the Real Story The Battle of Puebla and its link to American Independence By: John Shepler Many Americans think that the festivities of Cinco de Mayo, held each May 5th, are in celebration of the independence of Mexico. Few know the real connection between the battle of that day and the preservation of American, not Mexican, independence. In May of 1862, President Abraham Lincoln had much to worry about. The United States was on the verge of self-destruction by its own hand. Lincoln had the vast industrial resources of the Northern states at his disposal, but the Confederate forces of the South were fierce fighters in their quest for secession. The opposing armies were slaughtering each other by the tens of thousands with no clear victor at the moment. If someone from the outside would have allied with the South, that might have been just enough to tip the balance and divide the country forever. Worse, such an ally was making its way through Mexico. It was the army of Napoleon. The French Army of Emperor Napoleon III, nephew of Napoleon Bonaparte, was thought to be the premier army in the world. It had not suffered defeat in 50 years and had enjoyed recent victories throughout Europe and Asia. But what were they doing in this hemisphere? The French had landed at the port of Veracruz along with troops from Queen Isabella II of Spain and Queen Victoria of Great Britain. They were there to collect payments on the foreign debt of Mexico, payments suspended by Mexican President Benito Juarez because the Mexican treasury was all but bankrupt. Juarez promised to restart payments in two years, but France, Spain and Great Britain wanted their money now and took over the customhouse at Veracruz to get the customs payments applied to their debts. Eventually, the representatives of Spain and Great Britain came to an agreement with Juarez and went home. But Napoleon stayed. In fact, he landed 4500 troops and set off for Mexico City. Lincoln had good reason to be worried. Before the Civil War, America was a rising power in the world. Other nations, including France, considered this young country a potential world threat if it continued to grow at the rate it had been since winning its own independence. What would happen if Napoleon's army conquered Mexico, installed their own emperor, Maximilian of Hapsburg, and then proceeded to come north and help the Confederates divide the United States into two weaker and less threatening nations? In a sense, the U.S. had helped to create this situation, by acquiring half of Mexico's territory in the Mexican-American War of 1846 to 1848. Mexico had been struggling financially from the time it won its own independence in 1821 from Spain. The Mexican-American War pretty much sank the Mexican treasury and led to financial crisis, culminating in the suspension of foreign debt payments that opened the door for French occupation. Now Lincoln was depending on his country's former adversary to keep Napoleon's troops at bay and buy him time to defeat the South so he could re-deploy troops and, in turn, support Juarez. On the morning of May 5, 1862, General Lorenz led a combined force of French and sympathetic Mexican troops toward Puebla, Mexico, 100 miles east of their destination of Mexico City. He had believed that he would be welcomed with open arms and that the local clergy would shower them with magnolia blooms. Waiting for him was Texas-born General Ignacio Zaragoza under orders from President Juarez to defend the city with a much smaller force of 2,000 troops, along with Puebla citizens who brought their own farm tools as weapons. Brigadier General Porfiro Diaz, destined to later become president of Mexico, took his cavalry out to engage the French horsemen and eliminate them. The bulk of the invading force attacked across a battlefield made muddy by a recent thunderstorm and were met by hundreds of stampeding cattle stirred up by Indians armed with only their machetes. When it was over two hours later, the French withdrew and La Batalla de Puebla, the battle of Puebla, became a spark that ignited Mexican pride from that day, Cinco de Mayo, to the present. One year later, the French brought in reinforcements and this time made their way to take the capital of Mexico City and install Emperor Maximilian of Hapsburg as the reining monarch of Mexico. President Juarez fled north to establish a provisional government in various parts of Mexico. His loyalist troops did manage to keep the French at bay long enough to prevent them from supporting the Confederate States in the U.S. Civil War. With the North and South reunited, Lincoln ordered the French out of Mexico and sent a military force to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan. Napoleon potentially faced 2 million battle hardened U.S. veterans if he persisted in the occupation of Mexico. In early 1867, Napoleon made the decision to withdraw his troops. Maximilian surrendered his Mexican Imperial Army on May 15. The sovereignty of Mexico was returned to the Mexicans. So, if Cinco de Mayo really celebrates the victory of Mexico in the battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862, then what is Mexico's Independence Day? It is September 16, 1810. On that day, Father Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla issued a proclamation that united many different local rebellions into one cohesive struggle, which eventually led to Mexico's actual independence from Spain in 1821.
  5. It was against the French. Here's an excerpt from what I found on the net. Maximilian I, Emperor of Mexico & The French Intervention Introduction The holiday of Cinco De Mayo, The 5th Of May, commemorates the victory of the Mexican militia over the French army at The Battle Of Puebla in 1862. It is primarily a regional holiday celebrated in the Mexican state capital city of Puebla and throughout the state of Puebla, with some limited recognition in other parts of Mexico, and especially in U.S. cities with a significant Mexican population. It is not, as many people think, Mexico's Independence Day, which is actually September 16. Setting The Stage The battle at Puebla in 1862 happened at a violent and chaotic time in Mexico's history. Mexico had finally gained independence from Spain in 1821 after a difficult and bloody struggle, and a number of internal political takeovers and wars, including the Mexican-American War (1846-1848) and the Mexican Civil War of 1858, had ruined the national economy. Archduke Ferdinand Maximilian During this period of struggle Mexico had accumulated heavy debts to several nations, including Spain, England and France, who were demanding repayment. Similar debt to the U.S. was previously settled after the Mexican-American War. France was eager to expand its empire at that time, and used the debt issue to move forward with goals of establishing its own leadership in Mexico. Realizing France's intent of empire expansion, Spain and England withdrew their support. When Mexico finally stopped making any loan payments, France took action on its own to install Napoleon III's relative, Archduke Maximilian of Austria, as ruler of Mexico. Mexico Confronts The Invasion Map showing Veracruz, site of the French invasion France invaded at the gulf coast of Mexico along the state of Veracruz and began to march toward Mexico City, a distance today of less than 600 miles. Although American President Abraham Lincoln was sympathetic to Mexico's cause, and for which he is honored in Mexico, the U.S. was involved in its own Civil War at the time and was unable to provide any direct assistance. Gen. Zaragoza Marching on toward Mexico City, the French army encountered strong resistance near Puebla at the Mexican forts of Loreto and Guadalupe. Lead by Mexican General Ignacio Zaragoza Seguin, a smaller, poorly armed militia estimated at 4,500 men were able to stop and defeat a well outfitted French army of 6,500 soldiers, which stopped the invasion of the country. The victory was a glorious moment for Mexican patriots, which at the time helped to develop a needed sense of national unity, and is the cause for the historical date's celebration. Unfortunately, the victory was short lived. Upon hearing the bad news, Napoleon III had found an excuse to send more troops overseas to try and invade Mexico again, even against the wishes of the French populace. 30,000 more troops and a full year later, the French were eventually able to depose the Mexican army, take over Mexico City and install Maximilian as the ruler of Mexico. Maximilian's rule of Mexico was also short lived, from 1864 to 1867. With the American Civil War now over, the U.S. began to provide more political and military assistance to Mexico to expel the French, after which Maximilian was executed by the Mexicans - his bullet riddled shirt is kept at the museum at Chapultepec Castle in Mexico City. So despite the eventual French invasion of Mexico City, Cinco de Mayo honors the bravery and victory of General Zaragoza's smaller, outnumbered militia at the Battle of Puebla in 1862. Today's Celebration For the most part, the holiday of Cinco de Mayo is more of a regional holiday in Mexico, celebrated most vigorously in the state of Puebla. There is some limited recognition of the holiday throughout the country with different levels of enthusiasm, but it's nothing like that found in Puebla. Celebrating Cinco de Mayo has become increasingly popular along the U.S.-Mexico border and in parts of the U.S. that have a high population of people with a Mexican heritage. In these areas the holiday is a celebration of Mexican culture, of food, music, beverage and customs unique to Mexico. Commercial interests in the United States and Mexico have also had a hand in promoting the holiday, with products and services focused on Mexican food, beverages and festivities, with music playing a more visible role as well. Several cities throughout the U.S. hold parades and concerts during the week following up to May 5th, so that Cinco de Mayo has become a bigger holiday north of the border than it is to the south, and being adopted into the holiday calendar of more and more people every year. [sources: Encyclopedia Encarta, Encyclopedia Britanica, Prescott's Mexico:1900, HistoryChannel.com, other sources. minor edits April 25, 2007] That should resolve the dispute going on here in this forum.
  6. Yes Bob, and it all revolves around $$$$. The money and valuables found in one drug lord's house in Mexico alone, would be enough to pay for health insurance for every man, woman, and child in the U.S.A. for 12 years! It is believed there are approximately 27 more of these houses in Mexico alone, not to mention those in other countries who are enriching themselves in the drug trade. These people have so much money they make the Arab oil sheiks look like welfare recipients. Their money can buy the best politicians, the best cops, the best judges, whatever they need. They just throw down stacks of cash and it is theirs! They also had millions in Columbian money and Mexican pesos, although they preferred American dollars for the most part. This is why the drug problem is so difficult to fight. There were even some stacks of Chinese yen found in one closet Enough "Gold Plated" weapons were found to arm a small army.
  7. Yup, they do. $$$$$$ = votes = more $$$$$$$! When it comes down to it, it's all about the $$$$! ...and they want all of ours. <_<
  8. C'mon Bob, don't further a non-issue. <_< Ah cain't spel eathur. Sorry Sifter, let's say, tickets for Am-Trac! :lol: All 'board!
  9. I hope you all realize that I am not condoning the "taking up of arms", at this time, but frustrated and desperate people may feel the need to do "their part", since there may not seem to be any alternative. I am so glad that the gov of Az. has spearheaded a movement, brought the issue to light for the entire country, and I'm hoping that those with the power to do so will open their eyes and ears, and get on this long neglected issue. It seems that we are crying loadly to those with deaf ears. There-in lies the real problem. The fuse was lit long ago and it is burning faster and faster all the time. No one knows when or if the detonation will occur, but we have to defuse it or we may be in for a very deadly explosion. If you are not with U.S., you are against U.S. So, in that context, you can "Go to Hell", and I even have six one way tickets in my right hand. Yes, I will take up arms in my country's defence if the need should arise. Whether the threat is from within, or without. There are many issues revolving around the illegal imigration and forgien infiltraition situation, but until we do something at the borders, the likelyhood of internal violence will escalate. Gangs, drugs, and undetered illegal entry are tearing us down. In the end, I will not go down without a fight. :*&$*(: Amnsety is not a solution, just a fruther incentive for future violators. There are those far, far more militant than I, and face it, either we close the borders or we will have to close graves. :(
  10. Ah, Ha, the school is in lock down. And it's all because a few boys were showing their patriotism to America. Somebody got offended. :wah2: Grow the phoque up people!
  11. I don't give a squat about May 5th. The issue at hand is that we are being overrun by illegals, and it just so happens that the majority of them happen to be of Latino decent. I don't care where they come from, if they are here illegally they are breaking the law and should be treated as the criminals they are, To the fullest extent of the law. No more "anchor babies", kick 'em all out. Ya see, there aren't any consequences for violating our imigration laws, and there should be. As far as the school issue, yes, those boys' rights have been violated. The principle was afraid of fights? Started by who? The boys wearing the flags weren't violant, so I figure it would have been started by Latinos. I feel there is more racial animosity, on the part of those of Latino heritage within our own gov't and other positions of any power, toward legal citizens. When it comes down to it, and it very well may, many will take up arms and fight in defence of our Constitution and the rights of "Americans". By "Americans", I mean United States citizens ( North Americans ), not Central Americans or South Americans. God Bless Real Americans, all others can go to Hell! :*&$*(:
  12. Well, the French better be legals too, or they can go home. :yuk-yuk:
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