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  1. It is an awesome rock! Looks like a quartz vein in some sort of country rock. The quartz was chemically and mechanically more durable and the country rock has mostly been eroded away. A rock like that tells a good story. It's not just a dumb rock that does not give you much info. It definitely represents change and movement. The passage of time. You can plainly see how the harder rock is persisting and the softer stone is weathering away. The quartz was once surrounded by the dark rock but now it holds it together. When you look at a rock like that you can actually hear the hubs of Hell spinning around and feel the eons passing.
  2. Both PC7 and JB Weld are the same stuff. Duro 1000 is even better. But none of it will stick to plastic. You might build it up enough for a repair but don't expect it to adhere to the surface. Wipe it good with acetone and then rough it all up with 80 grit paper and the epoxy might adhere a bit better. But the takeaway here is epoxy won't adhere to plastic. The best you can do with epoxy is build a "cast" around the break and hope it holds for a while. Sooner or later the glue will pop loose from the plastic. The shafts are some type of thermoplastic. Probably nylon or pvc. If it softens when you get it hot it can be welded. Just use a like material for filler rod and get it just hot enough for the filler to coalesce with the part. PVC and ldpe will soften with acetone. HDPE and Nylon won't. So you can narrow down what type of filler you need by rubbing a spot with a solvent rag. You can get a cheap welding kit from harbor freight with an assortment of rods and it is worth the pittance you will pay. A heat gun and a wood burner will get you there though. If it is PVC it can be solvent welded. It is tricky to get a strong joint unless you use a sleeve or coupling. All my detector poles are PVC pipe. When I break one I just replace it with a home made one. It is better than trying to fix a snapped piece. I have never broken a home made one and have broken a few factory ones. So there is that. Just my two cents.
  3. If there is going to be an argument I want in on it.
  4. You misunderstood me I guess. That is a hunk of free metal isn't it? It looks like it is all metal in the photos. Maybe I am mistaken. I don't see anything except metal. So I am saying it is a suspect iron. Not a stone meteorite. If it is stone you can easily determine by the streak if it is a meteorite. But free metallic iron specimens are not readily identified. To be clear it does not look like terrestrial mineral or a stony meteorite to me. It looks like metallic iron. Which means an artifact or an iron meteorite. Both of which can be expected to contain nickel. If you see metal flecks in a stone you have an item of interest. I am seeing a solid piece of metal but I may be interpreting the photo wrong. If the "witnessed fall" was just a possible fall and there are no other specimens to compare it to then you need to keep looking. That is not a piece of it. That specimen has spent years and years rusting. It is a metal artifact. Good luck! Keep looking and don't waste much effort on nickel tests. You will recognize one when you see it and there will be little debate when you do.
  5. The learning process is worth the price of an ICP analysis. And that won't tell you much. Differentiating terrestrial iron from meteoritic iron is tricky. It often boils down to visual indicators. A layman simply cannot do anything to prove a piece of (non mineral) iron is or is not from space. Only a professional can do that and even then it is often a soft sided approach. Tramp metal often looks suspicious. I have pondered a ton of it. And with little iron meteorites in a corrosive environment you honestly may not be able to tell the difference. Irons have a definitive shape and a durable crust. The ones I am familiar with are never rusted to shale. There is never symmetry. Always blobs and knobs and fingers. Always a bit of blue black crust. Mega hard shiny metal just under a fine, thin oxidation. That is how I decide whether to keep them or huck them over my shoulder. I hope that helps. In the end the only way you are going to be able to differentiate an iron meteorite and a chunk of tramp metal is by professional opinion. I would wager that most would discount it simply by sight. Now... That observed fall was an iron and not a stony meteorite was it not? Because what you have would be an iron. Another observation. Your photo looks a lot like an old wedge. The top looks like it was hardened from blows. The "nickel flakes" look a lot like crystallized metal at the head of the wedge. Since I try to ID what I see rather than look for meteoritic characteristics that would be my call. A wedge with hardened crystallization at the top and a deeply rusted and withering basal end where the unworked metal is softer.
  6. It sure has a strange shape for an iron. I have been in your shoes my friend. It just does not look right to me. But that is just from my limited knowledge.
  7. If an Australian speaks in the woods and there is no one to hear it does it still sound cool?
  8. I think that word can only be pronounced with a mouth full of Vegemite. I once saw a video of an Australian kid reciting the alphabet. It was a lot like a Navajo spelling bee. Quite incomprehensible. I have never heard words like that spoken. I only recognize them by the printed word. It is a darn good question. What the heck does that word sound like?
  9. Those don't appear to be meteorites Frank. Probably just slag. You need to rub them on your toilet tank lid and show us the streak. Great job Frank!
  10. The only way to identify the rock is to identify the minerals it is comprised of and observe what physical state they are in (oxidized, crystallized, etc.etc) In you photo you can't see those constiuents. There is no way to know what they are. It looks like common field stone of the sedimentary metamorphic variety. But it could be anything. Pick up a good field guide for identifying rocks and get a hammer and a magnifying glass. Before posting a rock break a piece off with a hammer. Not at a natural fissure but into the solid meat of the rock. Take a look at the individual mineral grains and try to identify them. Use the field guide to take you through the process. You will be able to ID rocks a lot easier. And when you can't you will be able to give us the info we need to help you. Im not going to try and explain mineral ID typing on my phone with my thumb. You are going to have to take initiative on that one. There are lots of good guides out there and the process is not difficult to understand. The photos and info you post do not help to ID the rocks. You need to learn what differentiates one rock from the other and post info that we can use to help you. Rather than trying to identify rocks you have found, identify their mineral constituents. Once you can identify basic minerals then identifying rocks is a lot easier. Show us a few minerals and we can identify the rocks.
  11. Without a streak, density and a close look at the material it is made of there is no telling what it is. It is not a meteorite. And if it is not slag then the overwhelming odds are it is volcanic.
  12. The answer to your question is yes there is a market for silver in "nugget form". Meaning a lump of native silver and not necessarily a natural piece of free metallic silver. Native silver nuggets are generally black as coal. White chloride are common on the surface of finished silver shot. If your specimen is indeed silver it is not a natural nugget. But man made lumps of silver in odd forms are very common too. Probably much more common than native silver nuggets. My advice is an xrf test. That is the quickest way to find out just exactly what you have. If it is silver it is an alloy.
  13. In order to identify any mineral we need to have a bit more info. Is it magnetic? Hardness and streak? It looks a lot more like slag or a volcanic than a meteorite to me. There is lots of slag in the Chesapeke bay. With nothing but a photo to go from I would say it is foundry slag from a maritime casting operation.
  14. Six senses and no sense in all six. I think the indigenous folks and ancient cultures knew a heck of a lot more about "that side" of things than we ever will. They accepted the impossible as something "not of this world" meaning outside of the physical plane. Not from "outer space". I think that is a righteous conclusion. We seem to have a tough time with that in our culture. Western man clings to this physical plane with tales of extraterrestrial origin. I honestly think this conclusion is much more far fetched and coming from a much more biased point of view. Still, the lights over Phoenix were probably flares. Most likely a UFO wrong IMHO. As are most "lights in the sky" experiences.
  15. I think that is an astute observation. Wavelengths and vibration seems to be key to perception. Or at least defining the boundaries of it. I think there are natural forces that change vibration as well as ways to alter it. And possibly pause or flatline the vibration for an instant. Like a pause in music. We can't hear chirping birds over background noise, but when the noise stops they sound clear and loud. It may not be a matter of changing a particular vibration rather than pausing others so one can be perceived. The only thing that I am certain of is that what we witness is always subject to the filters of our mind. And our perception and even more importantly our recollection is dramatically affected by this. Especily when confronted with the "impossible" and unfamiliar. We grasp and struggle to coil our minds around it using the only tools we have. In cases like these we simply cannot come to any conclusions about what is happening. The very best we can do is realize that we are simply an highly biased observer peering through an warped and cloudy lens at something we simply don't understand.
  16. Sometimes when i tumble rocks like that most of the color goes away. But it leaves some sweet looking veins and patterns. My computer is getting serviced and I can't figure this phone out or I would show you some. They are some of my favorite rocks. I have a bunch of lithic flakes from the natives making arrowheads from that stuff. They really polish up nice. Sometimes there will be a core in the nodules like an egg yolk that is rich brown swirls. I started breaking them with a copper billet and tumbling the flakes. They always take a nice polish and make great looking stones. Really easy stuff to shine up too. That little flower is wild. I have no freaking idea at all. You really can't see the rock in the photo. Is it limestone or something that would be fossilized?
  17. Thanks Odin. I know guys have to fight like he'll to get an obvious meteorite classified if they don't have an inside track. So you are in for a lot of frustration. I am cynical about it all because of my experiences. I found a great big pallasite worth many thousands and let it slip through my fingers like a chump. Believe me it is worse to have doubts sometimes than too much faith. I knew nothing about meteorites and wound up stubbing my toe on the find of a lifetime. Like a fool I did not believe I had what I had. Now someone else has it. I guess the moral of the story is that this gig gets weird. And bolide fever is a serious disease. So pace yourself. It may take a while. Go work on a big azz iron over in Saskatchetoba somewhere. Then hit those diamond fields over in Albertapeg. You will have a bunch of good finds under your belt and they will figure out that sandstone sooner or later. Good luck Odin!
  18. I think the spiritual explanation for the phenomenon is closer to reality than the alien explanation. The things we see defy physics. So we are left trying to apply logic to something that defies physics. That just isn't going to work. If we can accept the fact that our perception is even more limited than our knowledge we are half way there. As sure as there is life on other planets there is reality that we do not perceive. Sounds that we cannot hear. Colors we don't see. Entire worlds that are just beyond our perception. If it defies the laws of physics it is not "real". But reality is not about physics. It is about perception. So we have a conundrum. If you are looking for answers to a perception that defies physics it did not come from a different planet. It came from a different set of rules. These are not visitors. They are rule breakers from a different mathematic. Indigenous to the other side of a mirror. Or maybe a disco ball. They are exploring "space" just like we do. But the "space" they are exploring is shared with us. Not separated by distance but by perception and some queer math we just don't understand. They are probably as scared shitless when they see us as when we see them. And travelling math is no picnic either. It is a dangerous business for them. They are not suited for it and some never make it back. You can prove this is true. Not with physics but with perception. That is our inter-mathematics vehicle. Our big fat brains. All you gotta do is feed it the right numbers. Don't think extra terrestrial. The visitors are super-terrestrial. Instead of waiting for them to come and visit make the trip yourself. We have much better vehicles than they do. We just have never learned to drive them.
  19. That is spot on. There is no denying the phenomena. There is also no explaining it. Different cultures explain the phenomena based on beliefs because facts and data are lacking. There is no more evidence that the phenomena is the result of aliens as God's or giant crickets. All that we really know is what we see and we can only rely on about 50% of that. I have no doubt that UFO's exist. But I have serious doubts about any explanation that involves God's, crickets or little green men. Life on other planets? Sure. The odds are overwhelming that it is out there. Intelligence? Why not? Again the odds are overwhelming. Visitors? Sure. I know they exist. I don't think they are from space. But I don't think the light in the sky phenomenon is evidence of aliens. Nor do I see any evidence of aliens connected to the light phenomenon. I just see no correlation at all. I think that is the way western man rationalizes something they simply don't (possibly can't) understand.
  20. I have no idea about the mini lilly in the magnifier. Is it mineral? I would think it would be plant material in there. The agate is cool. We have the same looking stuff here. Most of the time it is bubbly and wrinkled and has ugly cortex on it. Some are cool tumbling stones. I call them root beer agates because the swirls and "smoke" is often a beautiful cinnamon root beer color. That one has a super shape and looks like it would make an awesome polished stone. The colors are minerals in the silica. Probably iron or a like mineral like manganese.
  21. Bless your heart Mr. Voice of reason! A better indication of hardness would be to rub that "diamond" against a piece of Silicon carbide abrasive paper. Observe the streak color but also observe the small facet it cuts in the "diamond". I bet my nuggets a piece of wet rub paper about 220 grit will cut a flat spot on the "diamond" and leave a white streak. Just like it did on the corundum. WillM used a pointed corner of the specimen to streak. A lot better indicator of hardness would be to rub a broader face against the test material. The bearing surfaces are wider and will abrade rather than crush. And the scratches on the "diamond" will be easy to see. Not so when you use a sharp corner for your streak test. All you see is a fine line and it is difficult to tell if it is a scratch or a streak.
  22. Hey Odin, I want to tell you your apology is accepted. And I want to apologise for giving you a hard time about your rock. I sure did not mean for anything I posted to cause you distress. I hope it is an exploding Martian sandstone and experts all over the world are amazed.
  23. Maybe the aliens just like to see the looks on our faces when they shine their big light on us. I like to go out at night with a spotlight and shoot frogs with a bow. Lots of critters are out and they behave much differently under the big light after dark. If'n I was an alien I would probably enjoy swooping down and shining a big light in a humans face. I would probably like to do that if I were a god too. Just to freak them out a bit. I heard a Navajo story about a big cricket in the sky with a glowing abdomen like a giant firefly. He chirped so loud it hurt the ears of everyone on the mesa. No doubt another "lights in the sky" story. Choosing between the aliens, the God's, and the giant glowing crickets is much too difficult for me. I think these lights are giant bowhunters and we are the frogs. Since it is all a game of imagination it may as well be something that I can relate to.
  24. Whenever someone sees "lights in the sky" it is never aliens or spacecraft. Never. There has never been any credible evidence of that. Some people believe it. But there is no logic that connects anything that we witness in the sky being connected to aliens in any way. The only way we can come to that conclusion is by using our imagination. It can be assumed with certainty that any lights that you see in the sky are not space ships from another planet. When ancient man saw lights in the sky he assumed it was God's or spirits. When modern men in western culture see lights in the sky they conclude it is bug eyed visitors from another galaxy. In most eastern cultures it is still regarded as a spiritual encounter. Many psychologists say that unexplained light in the sky are often temporal and not external at all. Perception is a funny thing. So is the need for explaining the things you have no idea about. I personally do not need to explain the lights in the sky. I am happy to assume that what I am seeing is something I just don't understand. They don't have to be gods or little green men. If I honestly have no idea what I am witnessing I try not to fill in the blanks with what I don't know. It can just be a mystery and that is fine with me. It is kinda like the meteorite forum. Some guys can't identify what they see and think it is a meteorite. Some guys think every rock they don't recognize is a meteorite. They get there via a process of faith and not facts and subsequently must defend their faith. Simple rock ID turns into a battle over beliefs. The "light in the sky" discussion is exactly the same only with lights instead of rocks. The human animal is some strange sh!t. The only thing that is 100% certain is that gods nor aliens are responsible for lights we can't explian.
  25. You did not scratch the corundum. The silica left a streak. You really need to learn the basics bro. Honestly.
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