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  1. TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT....................................TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! Looks like this could be the end of the "Franconia Iron" train wreck specimen collecting effort... :whoope: ASTROBLEME
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  3. Hi Everyone: I have been working for several years on diamond ore associations with meteorite impacts. While there are examples of micro diamonds found inside of meteorites themselves, commercial ores contain diamonds from sources that were formed deep within the Earth. In some cases, an impact cratering event can bring these deep diamonds to the surface. Basically, the large impacts that create large (10 mile+) diameter craters, cause a brief overpressure on the crust and subsequently opens numerous deep fissures that allow for the pressurized kimberlite or related diamond bearing rocks t
  4. Hello Everyone: Years have gone by and now, after all that time, a location for an ungrouped iron meteorite from the general area has been officially revealed. On May 18 of 2004, Pete Meyers recovered a mass of 8.60 grams. More than a year later, Jim Smaller recovered a 43.7 gram mass. Both specimens were identified as meteorites by Schrader, Lauretta, Domanik and Hill of the University of Arizona. The total known weight of 52.3 grams was given the name Sacramento Wash 005 by the Meteoritical Society as of January 14, 2008. These meteorite fragments were recovered more than 5 miles away
  5. CONGRATULATIONS JIM! I am pleased to see that your effort has paid off. Johnny
  6. CONGRATULATIONS to Pete Meyers and Jim Smaller for properly documenting an ungrouped iron meteorite from the Franconia area. Their find made on May 18th, 2004 was approved on the 14th of January, 2008. It took almost 4 years to classify their discovery and I am glad to finally see their success. While many more specimens are likely to be paired with the Sacramento Wash 005, caution must be used when claiming that classification. I have little doubt that some "FRANCONIA IRON" will be marketed as SaW 005. The total mass of SaW 005 is 52.3 grams from which a total of 11.35 grams of type s
  7. Jason: Excellent photo and it rivals many of those I've seen put up by the "pros" recently. That image is a trophy to be proud of! The particle cloud is still expanding at a rapid rate and now exceeds the size of the sun. The discovery 115 years ago was made after it brightened just 5 months after perihelion. It is interesting to note that it is again 5 months after it passed close to the sun and I am thinking there was a collision that caused the particle discharge. There are a lot of asteroids in the belt that the comet must traverse between Mars and Jupiter and a high speed impact
  8. Dear Jason and others with telescopes: Is it possible to determine, at his early date, if the comet has altered the well established historical orbit? My thinking is that there was a collision with another object that released the material that we are now seeing. Hyper-velocity impact would move the main comet body off course. All of Comet 17P/Holmes historical orbit lies within the Mars and Jupiter orbits with a period of 6.9 years. It is not a "deep space traveler" as many scientists speculate all comets must be. The object was discovered over a century ago when it grew brighter than n
  9. Hi Kel: The photos that show the thinner edges seem to have a gray coloration. There also seems to be quite a bit of inclusions that might be gas bubbles. If the specimen was a true tektite, there shouldn't be any gas bubbles and the thin edges should look brownish rather than gray. Perhaps you might try and break off a very small chip and subject it to a torch flame test. Tektite will glow brightly, even to the point that you cannot look at it without hurting your eyes, all without bubbling, frothing or melting. Volcanic glasses (like obsidian) will quickly melt in the flame of an oxyge
  10. Hi Dave: I'd encourage you to purchase several different types of meteorite specimens and practice "finding them" with your detector. If you are heading to a known strewn field like Gold Basin, put representative samples of the meteorite into plastic bags. Then bury the bagged samples in the soils common to the search area at different depths before you start. You can then fine turn your detector over the buried targets and that will certainly give you an advantage. Best of luck and I hope you enjoy yourself. Johnny
  11. Hi John B: I've been quietly digging 'rites so I haven't had time to post much lately. Meteorite impact craters are the most common geological formation in the universe. You can see them on our Moon, all the other planets and even impact craters on small asteroids and comets. All the minerals found on Earth have accumulated from meteor impacts over the eons. We just don't see many craters on Earth due to erosion and many meteors slow too much through our atmosphere to make an impact. The Old Woman meteorite was lying on top of a bunch of boulders. It did not penetrate into the Earth so
  12. Jason: I'm thrilled to see you enjoying yourself now that you are back home. Please accept my gratitude for all that you've done for our country. I hope someday that we will cross paths. I promise not to be a jackass! Sincerely, Johnny
  13. In general; A meteorite that is "on the ground" isn't part of the mineral estate and it would belong to the surface land owner. In the case of Federal lands, a meteorite located on top of the ground belongs to the Federal Government and the American Antiquities Act of 1906 (16USC431-433) Preservation Laws would apply. When a meterotite or fragment of a meteorite is located "in the ground", for instance buried due to an impact cratering event, then it is considered part of the mineral estate. The mineral rights holder is the rightful owner of the buried meteorite specimens. Of course this
  14. Thanks sawmill!!!!: Your research into the wreck revealed some excellent facts. One thing that was mentioned in the documentation you provided might help folks understand the matter more fully. The newspaper quote referencing the 5:12 AM wreck on Wednesday was this; "The mass of iron was still too hot Thursday" to make a thorough examination of it..." A FULL DAY HAD PASSED AND STILL, AFTER ALL THAT TIME, NOBODY COULD GET INTO THE HOT IRON TO SEARCH FOR REMAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Melted train wreck metal at Franconia? Most certainly there was plenty to be spread around over the passing dec
  15. John B: I'll have to defer to your expertise on the outliers as I'm not aware of the 4 to 5 mile distance from the train wreck site. Much of the collection I'm aware of comes from much closer to the tracks. I still assume that those are train wreck relics. For those outliers, you’ll know best. Paleface's earlier posting on the Franconia Irons’ composition didn't seem plausible to me for iron meteorites. I'm hoping that someone somewhere can get a classification on this material. That would help sort meteorites from TOOT TOOT scrap. Sincerely, ASTROBLEME
  16. Hi Denny: I pulled all of the scientific documentation off of this forum due to copyright violations and concerns for theft/trespassing from illegal collectors. Sorry that you didn't see it but I must protect my interests. ASTROBLEME
  17. Dear JamesR: I would have thought, from your previous attacks against me, in a personal nature, that you'd have been following my material rather closely and therefore know what I'm referring to. Stirring your emotions does not constitute an accomplishment? ASTROBLEME
  18. Dear John B: Please accept my sincere gratitude for explaining this matter on the forum. You have credibility here and it would be wise for those that know you to take advantage of your knowledge. I've tried to help people working in the field understand why their specimens don't resemble meteorites but most folks are jealous of my accomplishments or in denial for their failures. You, however, are a very kind and well thought man whom has earned my respect. I wouldn't be surprised that this reply gets me banned from the forum seeing as how some have reacted to my informational postings!
  19. Good Morning joe26or: Sworn testimony from the U. S. Supreme Court covering the Franconia wreck can be found here... http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getc...us/202/438.html ASTROBLEME
  20. Hello Bill: The law has been around now for a century and can be viewed here... http://www.cr.nps.gov/local-law/anti1906.htm ASTROBLEME
  21. All you folks that have taken shots at me and still are upset with me for revealing the train wreck issue at Franconia can now turn your attention elsewhere. The Smithsonian Institute owns all meteorite finds on Department of Interior Lands. If you are picking up authentic meteorites from the public lands at Franconia, they do not belong to you. See the topic "Old Woman Meteorite" or ask a BLM law enforcement officer. Meteorites on Federal lands are objects of antiquity and are protected under Federal Laws Pick up all the TOOT TOOT scrap you want but if you've picked up an actual meteorit
  22. Dear Fred: What other logic is there that explains the efforts to encourage people to come and collect out there on the public lands. Meteorites found on Federal Lands are deemed property of the Smithsonian Institute under the Antiquities Act. Picking up scrap iron isn't breaking any law so what a great diversion. If I was removing antiquities found on Department of Interior Lands, I'd be paranoid. If I were selling scrap iron at $20 per gram and calling it a meteorite, I'd be paranoid. Posting an opinion here and getting personally attacked for it...well I guess maybe it could make me
  23. Dear JamesR: One little icon is the response from you? I expected more than that. Why not rip into my posting with well supported facts? I love to discuss these matters in an intelligent manner. Give it some thought... ASTROBLEME
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