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  1. All I can say if you want to give up on what the BLM says,and make this way more complex than it need to be, then that is your choice but the well known current law says no one can locate a lode claim under your placer without your permission. Never fear though.... B Hussein Obama will get all that changed in the very near future

  2. Gee.... read what I posted. They must have permission from the placer owner...........I did not make up any of that, it comes direct from the BLM book on locating mineral claims. So a person that stumbled on to a lode under your placer cannot file under you without your SPECIFIC permission! If you hire a Geologits to evaluate your lode, that is not giving that person permission to file under you!

  3. Frank,

    Best of luck on the recovery. It is a long painful road to recovery, but you absolutely must get as much flex back as soon as possible! I have had my left kneee done once and my right knee done twice. Don't be a he man and try to avoid the pain pills, they will be your friend and listen to the DR and therapist to a tee!

    I feel for ya getting both done at the same time. But once healed and strong modern bionic knees are great!

  4. Here is your answer direct from the BLM book.... And yes, you as the placer claim owner can locate a lode claim on your placer claim.... but no one can locate one without your specific permission

    Location of Lode Over Placer Mining Claims and the Reverse:

    Placer mining claims have an equality both in procedure and rights with lode claims, but a

    lode claim provides no rights to placer deposits and a placer claim provides no rights to

    lode deposits (Clipper Mining Company v. Eli Mining and Land Company, 194 US 220


    The above-cited Supreme Court decision discusses the fact that a person has no right to

    enter upon a valid placer mining claim to search for, or locate a lode claim without the

    express permission of the placer mining claim claimant. Overly aggressive lode

    prospectors may not interfere with the mining operation of the placer mining claimant. The

    BLM strongly recommends that, if a lode prospector wishes to search for minerals on a

    valid placer claim, written permission be obtained from the placer claimant.

    If a claimant of a valid placer mining claim wishes to search for lodes on their claim, they

    may do so; but, they will have no title to lode minerals without filing a lode mining claim

    (Campbell v. Mclntyre, 295 F.Cas. 45 (9th Cir., 1924)).

  5. I could easily etch some more... nitric will do nothing to the gold............. I am not a meteor guy and was being on the very cautious side when I introduced this wayfarer to nitric........ I will also say this was one of the messiest rocks I have ever put to my cabbing machine!

    Frank, thanks a bunch!

    If anyone thinks it is worth a hundred bucks, they can have it!

  6. Yes BOB we do have much different views on issues. But I take pause on one(actually many) statement you made When you figure this into the equation the Mining Act is hardly about gold prospecting at all. This is about huge business that has already taken a big toll on the land

    If it were not for mining, you would not have the rifle to shoot those elk, the computer to post your side of the story, etc. If it were not for oil leases, you would not have the rubbers on your slingshot to harrass bears, if it were....etc. Wanton ruination of land is a thing of the past with current mining regulations. If you feel these kind of things are taking a big toll on the land and do not like it you must also give up on using those items that were possible only for mining! This is called hypocracy when you cannot see the whole picture. Just like the PETA jerks who say using animal skins is a crime of nature and they wear leather shoes an wear leather belts... Hypocracy to the max!

    Yes, I am a small scale miner vs a recreational miner, I have sold much gold in my life and some of it may very well be in your cell phone right now! I also depend on my mining to supply gold for my jewelry creations. It is important for me to be able to continue operation under the 1872 mining act. Mining for gold at least here in California is a heritage I want to pass on to other generations and I do not want all the work I have put into keeping small scale mining a viable option to go to waste because some will just say it is inevitable that the law must and will change.

    One of the claims I owned for a very long time, goes right back to the original gold rush here in California. I can trace its use back to 1850. Miners have continuosly used this area for 158 years and I must tell you it is one of the most serene, beautiful, wildlife filled area I know of! Miners have had the responsibility of caretaking this land for a very long time and I respect all the people before me that have kept is so nice. I look at my self as the current caretaker and a part of the history of the land, as I am the only one that picks up trash from fishermen, hunters, wood gatherers and people that are looking to connect with nature on my claims........... I do not want to see the twig cops be able to close my access to these kind of places because people like yourself are not willing to fight for it. I am 62 years old, yes I can still travle many mile on foot, but why? I have chosen my current mining locations with the though I will no longer have to pack a dredge 70- 80 lbs at a time down 1200' of a canyon wall. Been there and done that way to many times and is probably one of the reasons I no longer have my original knees. Keeping roads open that have been open for 100 years is important. I do not want anybody to tkae this away from me and future small scale miners.

    Just remember... there are countless people before you that fought for your right to do many things in this life.... please respect those that have and continue the fight to keep our rights!

  7. As far as roads go, I believe that SOME should be closed. We currently have unregulated use of 4WD and ATV’s in the entire Santa Fe National Forest, exclusive of the Wilderness area. In the last ten years there are vast areas that look like a motorcycle track. Plenty of people have been hurt, and people sometimes have no care as to what they do. Poaching from the back of these machines is very common, and the whole deal is chaos. Tracks, trash, and deep eroded cuts everywhere. I don’t see anything wrong with responsible riding on established trails, but unmitigated driving up every hill and cutting over 100 miles per year of new trails in this area is just crazy. There must be some middle ground. When anyone says anything about closing ANY road there is a chorus of pissed off voices that are demanding “no quarter”. There are only three choices, win loose or compromise. Since we can’t win, and wont compromise, we often loose. The tide is turning and we will now loose more often.

    In the case of road closures I believe that it is often a good thing. I like to stalk elk and turkey with a bow. I hunt bear with a slingshot in barefeet and a breechcloth. This is tough to do when the entire forest sounds like the Baja 5000, and flabby wannabees take advantage of the internal combustion engine to get where their lifestyles make it impossible for them to get to on their own. I have never had the need to drive anywhere that my boots or a good mule could not take me. I have a whole fleet of the finest 4WD machines ever made and I have never taken one off the established trail once, except maybe to park or turn around. I realize that it is tough to haul a 4” dredge on your back through the mountains. An older fellow can’t pack a backpack ten miles in the high country. It is not these fellows that are the issue. There are others that desperately need to be hung by the neck. I see some very logical compromises but since neither side is willing to compromise, and the enviros have the definite inside track, why fight it? Soon, I and a very few others will be the only ones with access. Nothing like horseflesh and shoe leather. It is not that I “don’t give a rats ass” because I do. I hate to see it all slipping away too. I am just making my plans for survival in the future and it does not include roads. It never has. The tougher it is to get to the fewer yahoos are prospecting (and drinking, and throwing garbage, and poaching) and the more gold I get. The more elk I get. The more turkey on the table. The more bears are shot in the ass with an acorn. The fewer Forest Service people and Game Wardens too, because they have less motivation than anyone to be out there.

    Bedrock Bob

    It sounds like New Mexico is not a very nice place to be in the woods or help fight for the right of small scale miners.......... Here in California, well at least Northern CA Sierras, I do not see such rampant disregard of the forest as you see. I am also not able nor willing to move my equpment via back or mule for 10 miles plus! I also feel the majority of small scale miners feel the same way, plus you just could not in a normal life pack in a commercial 6" with your methods...... When we do go to court here in CA, I will make sure to comment that they can close all the roads in New Mexico National Forests if they just leave all the rest alone. That way we can have agreat compimise.... you can selfishly have your forest all to yourself and I can keep mining the way I have for the last 30 years.

    GotGold... this is for you, my one man protest, he vetoes it the next day!:


  8. I cut a cabochon form a piece Garimpo gave to me while in Brazil. I just made a pendant out of it and was looking for opinions from real space rock people. Pictures could certainly be better. Please let me know what you think, positive or negative is certainly OK... Total weight is about 12 1/2 grams, 2 grams in gold........




  9. If they eliminate the roads to your claim, they do not have to even messs with the mining law!

    Just to let Bob know that many of us do have what it takes to stand up to them and in a big way. Recently the FS has undertaken a plan to close and destroy many roads within their jurisdiction. Where I have one of my claims in El Dorado National Forest they have done it, via closure of about 30% of all roads within their forest. Turns out this Forest is the test ground and the first to implement this plan. I and two other claim holders in this forest have given notice to sue and will be filing that suit very soon. All this has been done with the help of the PLP. Anybody wanna guess how hard and complex it is to sue the Twig Cops.

    If this suit fails to set a precedent, you can expect drastic road closures in just about every other National Forest weather that road leads to your claim or not!

    In California, Oregon and Washington small scale miners are constantly being attacked, especially dredgers. So far we have prevailed, Washington is on pretty weak ground, but you can still legally dredge there. In all the official meetings I have been to, I have never seen actions like you describe from New Mexico. The small scale miners have been courtious and professional without giving an inch and we have prevailed 99% of the time. Everyone need to do their part and not let the other guy take care of it for you.

  10. This is from the NRA:

    From: Wayne LaPierre

    **** Alert *** Alert *** Alert ****

    Dear Fellow NRA Member,

    Because Barack Obama's campaign promise

    not to take away our guns is a lie.

    He's not even in office, yet he's fired the opening salvos in a war against the future of the Second Amendment, our hunting and shooting traditions, and YOU.

    Obama's FIRST attack on YOU: Appointing Illinois Congressman Rahm Emanuel to be White House Chief of Staff. In Congress, Emanuel earned an "F" rating from NRA, and while working in the Clinton Administration, he was known as the "point man on gun control." He is an avowed enemy of the Second Amendment and will wield enormous power in the battle for the future of our firearm freedoms.

    Obama's SECOND attack on YOU: If Hillary Clinton is confirmed as Secretary of State, she'll rip the Second Amendment right out of the Bill of Rights. She'll be our nation's top diplomat with the power to determine whether the United Nations will pass, and Obama will sign, a global gun ban treaty that will surrender our Second Amendment rights and our national sovereignty.

    Obama's THIRD attack on YOU: Nominating ex-Senator and former Majority Leader Tom Daschle-an avowed enemy of NRA-to be Secretary of Health and Human Services. NRA was responsible for defeating Daschle when he ran in South Dakota for re-election to the Senate. If Daschle is confirmed, he could hold the ultimate power to declare guns a "public health menace" and regulate away our essential liberties.

    Obama's FOURTH attack on YOU: Nominating Eric Holder to be Attorney General. As former Assistant Attorney General, Holder was a key architect and vocal advocate for the Clinton era's sweeping gun ban agenda. He supported national handgun licensing, mandatory trigger locks, and ending gun shows as we know them.

    Just recently, Holder opposed the District of Columbia's Heller decision that declared the Second Amendment an individual right. Holder also called for reviving the Clinton gun bans and, as Attorney General, would fight in court to prevent the landmark Heller decision from being made applicable to state and local governments. Worst of all, if Holder is confirmed as the nation's top law-enforcement officer, he would control BATFE and wield enormous power to harass gun owners and sue America's arms makers out of existence.

    Obama's FIFTH attack on YOU: In the job application for the Obama Administration, he made it clear that gun owners are second-class citizens and told 80 million gun owners not to even bother applying for a job.

    In the "White House Personnel Data Questionnaire" he asked:

    "Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed?

    Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage."

    This chilling notice to gun owners-that they are not welcome to serve in his Administration-shows the deep hostility for Americans' Second Amendment Freedoms that Obama and his Administration have in their hearts. On its face, that question endorses gun registration-a mandate in only five states in our nation-and buys into the anti-gun premise that firearms are inherently dangerous and gun owners are prone to misusing them.

    That's an outrageous mindset, especially for the President-elect whose sworn duty will be to uphold the U.S. Constitution, including our right to keep and bear arms.

    Obama CLEARLY wants to make gun registration the law of the land.

    First for employees under his control...AND THEN FOR YOU.

    Working with a Congress dominated by gun haters like Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, John Conyers, Henry Waxman, and Charles Schumer!!!

    Rubbing salt in gun owner wounds is the Brady Campaign, which just issued a completely bogus poll claiming that two-thirds of the Americans-including 60% of all gun owners-favor gun registration, licensing of firearm owners, and other sweeping restrictions on our firearm freedoms!

    Add it all up and you have the potential for a Second Amendment disaster that's unlike any other NRA members have ever battled.

    That's why we need the strongest possible commitment from EVERY NRA member, starting today. That's why I'm hoping you'll validate your new NRA membership card the moment you receive it.

    Because our greatest strength is you.

    Only by working with you can NRA hold the line against these threats from every quarter. We are the one force that has the strength to keep Americans free and our rights intact for future generations. With you at our side, we will fight and we will prevail against all odds.

    Thank you for your loyalty to NRA and the cause of Freedom.

  11. The answere is easy...be a criminal.............. KEEP YOUR GUNS. If they ever make laws that require you to turn them in just don't! The legal system can in no way deal with 80,000,000 cases! There is strength in numbers.

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