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  1. 3 hours ago, LukeJ said:

    There also comes a point, where there is nothing new to read, no new questions to ask.  All that's left, is getting out there and figuring it out for yourself.  Anyone who's become a successful nugget shooter has been through it too. :)

    One more tip if I may....   When you do get out there.  Bring one coil.  Sure, if your will power is strong, bring a 'back-up' to leave in the truck.  But try to resist the temptation to switch coils when frustration rises and patience declines.  Learn how to use that one coil in the environment you are detecting.  Try different timings, adjust the gain and stabilizer to get a smooth threshold.  There are lots of variables you'll have to learn to control/manage.  Sticking with one coil to start, will be a great help in understanding the other variables more quickly.  

    If you choose a small coil, try to hunt places where a small coil has an advantage.  Places that are brushy and/or rocky are good examples.  Shallow ground with bedrock exposure. 

    Want to use a larger coil?  The more open ground on hillsides might be a good place to start.  Try to tailor your day's hunt to the coil you are using.  Over time, you'll have some spots and you'll know what coil works 'best' there, based on your experiences and the circumstances.


    "Great" advice Luke,.....I might also add that it would be more important to bring an extra (charged) battery along instead of a different size coil.    It has "definitely" been my experience (and regret) in the past that I did not do this.  It has happened to me twice over the years where I no more than get to a possible spot, start swinging and within about an hour (or-so) my detector gives me a loud noise indicating that the battery is too low, and/or is die'ng.  Those batteries weaken over time due to usage, follow-up chagings, and re-usage.  And if you are way out in the bush, there's no point in "waist'n :2mo5pow:a good detecting day because you don't have a back up battery.  Gary  

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  2. 2 hours ago, LukeJ said:

    I posted the picture in an attempt to steer the topic back on course.

    Well Alright Luke,.....I'm with ya,.....Let's steer it back on course;....These are from a season or two back as well........And maybe we can see if we can get together for a few new-patch hunts this season???? :inocent:  I am about to get cabin fever from not getting out due to the heat.  :desertsmile:   I do have a good roll up mattress that will fit in the back of my pickup (for the outing)  as long as I move my spare tire.  :brows: Gary


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  3. 13 minutes ago, Bedrock Bob said:

    Thanks Gary.

    I love dogs. Dogs are some of the best people I know. And people are some of the worst dogs I know. So that about sums it up for me.

    I can't figure why they did not just call Animal Control like I did. The days here have been brutal and the sun is wicked hot. Those dogs were dehydrated and had ticks sucking them dry. Some jackass took them out at night and dropped them off by the road in the bare desert. Then went back to his house to wait for the sun to come up on them. That is way beyond cruel. I hope that schit haunts him bad.

    Anyhoo I am just stoked that It worked out. This has been a tragic weekend around here and taking care of those puppies made it a lot easier on me. I hope they all find good homes and have a good person to look out for them. I bet they will. 


    You have definitely said a mouth-full in that first sentence, as I feel the same.  My wife and I love dogs as well,..we are just a bit partial toward poodles.  But we don't think that 'ANY' dog should be abandoned, nor treated that way.  Those are God's creatures, and there will be a "Reckoning" of 'A'-Holes like that,...........I only wish that I would be the one doing it.  Thanks again for your kindness. 

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  4. 22 hours ago, LukeJ said:

    Hey Gary....   Been busy with the family.  Still getting out there, but not as much as before.  Waiting on cooler weather.

    Are you coming to the outing this fall?  :black_knight_standing:

    Pretty sure I'm going to make it out there.  :head:

    Yea, the last couple of months have been just too hot for me to get out, so I have been spending my time getting things done around my house (painting, repairing, upgrading, etc) so I won't have to stop and do them when the weather cools off (hopefully in a month-or-so).  

    I was sort of thinking of going to the outing this year, as I have not made any of the prior ones in the past.  I just don't have a camper or RV to sleep in, so I may just come for one day.

    That's some pretty nice looking gold in the photo,.....Is that some relatively new-found-gold your'e weighing up there, or some that you have accumulated for a while???  Looks like some of it is flat, smooth, and well traveled.  Gary

  5. 1 hour ago, Bedrock Bob said:

    We were out late last night in the Uvas Mountains. It rained like heck off and on and the snakes and bugs were thick. We counted 8 vinegar bugs, 4 rattlesnakes, 2 bull snakes, 2 foxes, 3 deer and a bobcat. We also found poodles. No kidding.

    On the way back we saw five puppies someone dropped off . Full of ticks. Looks like they had been under a trailer house in a nest with mom for three months. Almost lifeless on the side of the trail just outside Hatch. These poodles were probably not Spanish but they seemed to understand the language. When I picked one up he was just rough underneath with ticks. Their ears were completely covered with them.

    I figured they were goners. I couldn't put them out of their misery though and could not leave them there for the sun to come up on. So I took them back and powdered them really good with Sevin and gave them water. They would not even drink and I was afraid they might have Parvo or something. I put them up in the back of the truck to quarantine them. I honestly did not expect them to make it through the night.

    They woke me up yapping about 4 a.m. I went out and saw a million dead ticks all over the bed of the truck. They had finished their water and were all sitting up looking at me. They were wagging and had some spark in their eyes. I gave them more water and they went crazy for it. I put out some dry food and they ate as much as  I thought they could handle. 

    By 8 o'clock they were acting like puppies again. They still had ticks everywhere but they were falling off fast. They were wagging and even playing a little. Animal Control came by and took them. The lady said they would be taken care of and brought back to heath for adoption.

    So we saw poodles. Spanish poodles in the desert. Imagine that. I am a believer now because I have seen them with my own eyes. :)

    Bedrock Bob,...Your'e a GOOD MAN for doing what you did for those pups,... We own three poodles, and just love them to death.  They are just a special breed of dog each having a distinct and different personality of their own.  Gary

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  6. 1 hour ago, LukeJ said:

    Side Note:  Those bad "Arizona Drivers" are from out of town.  Like most Arizona residents.  :4chsmu1:

    Well HELLO LUKE,...........How-in-the-heck-ya-been?????????????    Well your above statement is "Exactly Spot-On" !!!!!!  And I can attest to that statement as well, as I am one of the few who was born and raised not only in Arizona, but, in Prescott.  The vast majority of "so-called"-locals are from SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!   So they bring their bad habits, attitudes, and self-centered ways with them from somewhere else to span-out over here.   And that all started back in the 60's; so small town Prescott and it's surroundings are no longer small town, it's just been tainted by outsiders over the years.   

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  7. I have not been stung by this type of bug, but I believe that they are also called a "whip tail scorpion".  I found one a number of years ago down in Tucson, and at that time wasn't exactly sure what it was so I contacted the Arizona Desert Museum down there about it, and when they heard that I had one they where all excited and wanted to know if I would donate it to them, as they didn't have one, and was having trouble finding one for their live-display.  So I gave it to them.  I know that they prefer dark, damp, cool places to reside, and can be found outside around porch lights while they catch bugs.  Gary 

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  8. "WHAT" ?!?!,...No Scorpions??????????????  I haven't hunted over night, but it is a very rare occasion during my day light hunts that I don't overturn a rock (or cow pie) and find at least one scorpion laying in-wait to poke me if I don't see his movement first.  Ever since I got scorpion-poked when I was about eight (which definitely:confused0089[1]: shook me up) while out arrowhead hunting my minds-eye looks for them, and by now I know their haunts very well.  

    And, if the ground is bustling with bug activity, it stands to reason that there where so many black widows, and various spiders out;..................the moisture brought on the dinner bell for them.  Nice looking picker-nuggets;,....one looks like a bead with a hole in the middle???.  Gary

  9. Of "lead" that is,  :inocent::laught16: and based on the dullness and look, I'd say that these have been hiding out for some time now.  Decided that enough was enough, so I headed out for a couple hours of detecting, after spending the last 2-3 months painting the outside of my house, painting a number of rooms within my house, doing repairs and maintenance here and there, pruning this,..pruning that, planting this, planting that,...Honey-do this, Honey-do that, etc., etc.,etc.:2mo5pow: So darn-the-heat, I heading out.  The two nuggets where a bonus;,...It just felt great :yesss:getting out again.  Gary  


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  10. Dang adam, .....What do you have a secret-"Refrigerated"-suit:confused0089[1]: you wear out there???????????  You must have drank a 5-gallon bucket's worth of water:desertsmile: during the day just to sweat it out whilst you was: "moved rocks, cut down bushes, raked the ground".  I'm not sure about where in the desert you where, but I very much don't think that the temp was anywhere near, nor dropped below 85 degree's:Diggin_a_hole:s at anytime during today,......Kooto's man,,..Kooto's  :yesss::worship:  Invite me along next time and I'll hold your umbrella and be a cabana-boy:laught16:.  Gary

  11. 1 hour ago, Andyy said:

    Yes, there are  a couple schools of thought on the settings.  I have done a lot of testing using the high sensitivity settings, low sensitivity, and varying threshold for hot rocks.  My "belief" is that higher sensitivity works for making small gold pop.  But I have proven time and time again that if you are in really hot ground, high sensitivity will cause the ground noise to cover the the deeper signals (in my areas).  I have also found EMI to have a huge effect.  Coming back on a lower EMI day (or time) and I find more gold.  

    I have run under some power lines in your general area with a threshold =1 and adjusting sensitivity and volume to suit.  The GPZ is far better than the GPX in this regard.

    Getting back to the 10" coil, it is important that I established a baseline with the 14" coil and used the same settings on the 10" coil.  A good 10" coil should not need much of a settings adjustment.  And it didn't need adjustment in the first area.  But the other area was bad and would not run properly.  There is a trick I mentioned, but nobody wants to carry 2 coils with them to do this.  So I have some further experimentation to do in order to get this coil to work in areas you and I find more common.  I would love to be able to use this 10: coil in more places.  I forgot how nice it was to have a small coil for those tight or really rocky washes.

    I don't usually carry more than one coil with me when I am out, but my coils are all equipped on their own shafts, so it would be easy to change them out if I wanted to go that route.  I have been detecting for so many years with a GP-3000 and a Coiltek Joey coil that it has been, and still remains to be my coil-of-choice for a lite-weight coil to swing in tight spots, rocky washes, exposed bedrock, and has a great sensitivity to small gold.  I do realize that this coil has it's depth-limitations, so I usually use it first to establish where the "sitting-duck-nuggets" (the Indicators) are, and then follow up later with either my 14" Nugget Finder (EVO) coil on the same detector, or come back with my Z-7000 for the deeper ones.    I have even gotten used to swinging the 14" on the 7000 to where I don't even use a bungee cord;...it just gets in my way, and don't like wearing the vest (harness) setup.    


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  12. I was looking at your settings that you used, and kind of compared them to what I have gotten used to using on my 7000.  I run my sensitivity and volume a lot higher with a lower Threshold level and put the Ground Balance Mode on Auto.  I have found that with these settings (only-on-occasion) does a very-mineralized hot rock disrupt the Threshold.   Using my settings, I have never had any issues with hot ground in any of my spots (and many of my spots have hot rocks and/or hot ground that would, and I am sure still-do drive a VLF'R crazy  :poostorm:)...One spot where I have issues is:  an area that has huge (semi-submerged) boulders apparently containing very heavy concentrations of iron (almost solid) (very rust-looking brown rock).   I can't even get "any" coil from either of my detectors within about a foot of it,... and trying to reset settings to null it is out of the question.  The other area has some overhead power lines (EMI) that I have not (as yet) been able to null-out using any setting.  I think these power lines must be carrying the max amount of electricity that they can carry without burning the wiring up :2mo5pow:.  No setting seems to even quiet the wavery-noise picked up by the coil.  It's hard to hear faint signals with that type of racket :head:.  By the way, these two "Issue" areas are within the Prescott Valley area.  Gary    

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  13. Nice looking gold Andyy,.....you must have done this night hunting thing a time or two before???  I have not (as yet) tried it, but it sounds interesting (if not challenging), as long as you have a proven spot or two to go to to begin with.  I think that I would be more concerned about getting "tagged" by a rattlesnake in the dim light than anything else.  I have come very close-to more-than-one while detecting even in the daylight.  

    Well I would imagine that the 10" coil is lighter in weight, and probably easier to swing than the stock 14" coil, but now after finding these nuggets would you say that the 14" coil would "not" have found them just as easily????  I have a 7000 myself, and I have found nuggets the size of a safety pin-head (or about the same size as the two smallest that you are holding).  Gary  

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  14. Hey nugget 108,...  In your 4th photo there is a round object with a stallion's head on it;........can you tell if that is a lid off-of a round container of about the same size???  If so, it may have been a woman's small mascara case (lid) that was carried within a purse.  I found one years ago while detecting on a grass-covered football field.  I think mine may be from the early 50's to 60's??????  Here's a few photo's of it.  Gary




  15. 6 hours ago, fuss said:

    My intent was not to ruffle any feathers with my post, so I apologize if seemed rude or dismissive, far from it . I just simply  assumed the OP may want to have an idea of what his specimen is possibly made of in addition to the origins and potential uses of it had.




    Hello fuss,...  I too would like to apologize to "you" for coming down on you as hard as I did.  It was brought to my attention by the administrator (Au Seeker) that you where referring to another member's comment who's forum name is: afreakofnature.  I completely missed the part where a forum member could /would have a name such as afreakofnature.    When I was reading down thru the comments initially, and then added my own, I never noticed, nor payed attention-to who was commenting, nor what their forum name was; I was just reading the comments as they came in.  So when I read your comment:   "I think afreakofnature is likely correct on where it was formed and LowPoint  as well on what it may have been used for." I mistook your statement to imply that my comment as well as I was a freak of nature.   I can now see that you where actually agreeing with both afreakofnature (a forum member) and my comments and not calling me a name.  So again, I would like to apologize for missing that important part, and misunderstanding your comment.  Gary  

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  16. "Cool piece, / Artifact"....I also see that it is a fossil, as Tom indicated as well,  but I, being familiar with Indian artifacts can also see that it had been used as a tool by an early-native Indian tribe that existed in the area where you found it.  I have found many of these stones (although not made from a fossil, as this one is) that had been hand-crafted and utilized as a tool for their daily needs.  This tool is an "arrow-shaft straightener", as can be seen by the straight grove / slot worn in it's one side (picture # 3).  You might also note (picture # 4) that the opposite side of the grooved side of this fossil has been worn smooth,.......maybe because it had been fitted into the palm of a human's hand and griped tightly while the arrow shaft was being forced thru the groove on the other side,..like holding a wet stone in one hand and sharpening a knife, forcing it against that stone.  

    I have found these arrow-shaft straighteners made of various stones down here in Arizona.  Sometimes I would find one that had been started out to be one type of object, but got broken in the process, so who ever was hand-crafting at the time (instead of just throwing it away) would reshape (Re-purposing) the stone for a different purpose.  Plus, considering that your stone has such interesting and geometric surface features, it may have been considered as a ceremonial piece as well, thus giving the arrow-shafts straightened-by- it a spiritual, or special significance for the hunter using those arrow-shafts; which, if "conceived and believed" by that hunter this would bring about a more successful hunt. ...........Sort of like conceiving, believing and picturing a gold nugget in your mind before you actually start detecting a particular likely spot,...Aye????????  Gary

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  17. 45 minutes ago, fredmason said:

    Gary, Thanks for the correction-it has been many, many years since I was out that way! Perhaps your family knew Sonny Owens? His children were named Wolf and maybe Bug and someone else...you had to cross his property to get to the Hassayampa river .

    Thanks, BMC...so sad.


    I don't know that they would have known him, fred..... My grandparents owned a ranch down there when my dad was very young.  They then moved to Skull Valley, and then to Prescott.  My dad passed away in 1989 ( at age 62,..way to young), and the only info that I have about them in Walnut Grove is an old faded picture of their place down there, and a brief history of my dad's upbringing down there.  Gary

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  18. 3 hours ago, fredmason said:

    George lived near Walnut Grove...I think that was the name...it was at the top of the hill on the back way to the Rich Hill area...he was a cowboy/cattle rancher and gold hunter. As I recall he found about a dozen gold coins in old mining camps.  He got his thumb caught in a lasso once...said it hurt worse than getting stabbed or shot...

    Maybe Morlock can add to this...


    Hey fred,...  my dad was born on a ranch in, or around Walnut Grove (Yavapai County, AZ).  You can pull it up on Google maps.  But, it isn't anywhere near Rich Hill.  The turn off to Walnut Grove, Az. is off-of Hwy 89 South, just past Kirkland Junction (Kirkland valley Rd).  There are some fairly good gold placers over there, and a number of claims ( a few being the Roadrunners); and as I understand a company has plans of re-opening a fairly large gold mining operation over there that has been there for many years, but shut down.    I'm familiar with the back road out of Yarnell,  Az. that snakes down into the East side of Rich Hill, but I've never heard of a Walnut Grove over that way.  Gary  

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  19. 3 hours ago, chrisski said:

    Just to show you what bedrock looks like in the google images in my area of central AZ.

    This is a picture of a wash that has a  but of exposed bedrock.  Not really apparent on the picture where the bedrock is, but the sand isn't white it's pretty gray.  This is with a few hundred yards of the source of the feeder wash, so basically by the top of the local hill group. I think the white sands in your other pictures above are because so much water runs through those washed, the good stuff gets buried underneath, and the less valuable, lighter sands gather up top and get bleached by the sun over the eons as it heads down to the river.

    If you look in the center of the wash, you see a white zig-zag, which is actually a 5' granite waterfall.  The other picture with the black circle is the same waterfall.  I swear the hills are steeper in real life than they look in the google pic.  The gold didn't settle in the pool there, but got flushed down the stream a few dozen feet and settled in where the larger rocks gathered, which is right where the stream narrowed again; again not apparent from the pic.  This was dry washable gold.  Worked that area many a weekend, finding enough to keep us coming back, letting us think we're on the verge of the paystreak, but never enough to make it worth the trip.  Also not apparent in the flat pic is at the top where the stream curves to the left, the main part of that wash is littered with boulders and continues straight up and has plenty of exposed bedrock.  I have never seen water flow in this area, but have in the main wash.  Because this area is within a few hundred yards of the source, it never flows a lot, but after a night of monsoon rains, I've come back and seen the sand move an inch deeper.  I think the stream may have only flowed for a few minutes, but flowed a lot and then quickly dried up. 

    The old timers worked this area good.  There's the triangular rock stacks, probably from depression area miners.  There's also an old map I found that had prospects marked along the stream.  A couple of times, we found some decent old time maps of the local area just by looking in the claim paperwork that was left by the claim owner.  Nothing wrong about looking at the claim paperwork, especially if you put it back.


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    Hey Chrisski,... If  there are signs that the old timers really worked this wash and area good, why haven't you found any nuggets left by them ?,...or did you???  Back then they never really got it all.  Looks like it still has very good potential to me,...if you know where to look and / or dig.

  20. 9 hours ago, BMc said:

    Hey LowPoint,

    Nice gold, nice snake photos and good looking ground that the snake was coiled up on. I really think you need to go back and detect that spot to see if he was holding out on you . . . 


    Funny that you should mention that, as that is exactly what I did today.  I worked my way up a small wash where that rattler had slithered out of, and then had crossed the road where I got the photos of it.  I got about 4 to 5 chunks of lead targets first out of this hammered wash, and then got this nice signal up on the side bank about 18" above the actual low point of the wash.  The nugget ( just .03 shy of 1-gram) was down about 5" and covered up with rocks that had been slammed up against the bank from a time when the wash had been really running and moving a lot of overburden ( I call it a "push",..or rock-pile-up:89:).  Also got a couple of photo's of a very sleepy Horned lizard,.that did not want to move, and completely ignored me as I detected over it's body;...check out it's coloration (camo).   Gary    








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  21. 10 hours ago, adam said:

    The most dangerous thing in those photo`s is the foxtail grasses. Those darn things get in my boots, then into my socks, poke my feet etc.  :D They can ruin a whole day of detecting! :grr01:

    Nice nugget though ! :brows:

    Thanks for the comments "ALL"'....

    Well adam I don't know that I would consider the foxtail grasses to be the "most dangerous" in my photo's, but I do agree that they not only hide a rattler "all-to-"Well"" when ya walk thru them; but I also do hate it when they hitch a ride in my socks, boots, and,... the cursed things really stick to my shoe laces :2mo5pow: .....And you sure don't want to just pluck them off when you get home and just let them fly in the wind outside your door step, as they will start growing on your property :ROFL:

    As for ruining my detecting day,....that "I" did myself by not taking a backup battery for my detector that day. UGH :grr01: I usually keep my batteries well charged after each days usage, but it is hard to tell when they start "not holding" that charge, or when they start loosing their charge too fast during detector usage.  So, thinking that I had a fully charged battery, I was working my way slowly up the wash, and had only use the battery about 2-hours when I began hearing that dreaded warning sound that the battery makes when it is almost dead, on it's last leg, and/or is dying, ...or about to die.  So, if I hear that sound (which I have heard once or twice in the past), the next sound that I hear would be from me saying:..."Oh Crap!!!"   I was glad though that the very first spot that morning that gave me the very first signal was the one nugget that I found (the 15-20 other signals where all lead slugs).  It was kind of cool (and not-usually-of-the-norm) to just turn the detector on, ground balance it and then the first spot I put the coil over gave me the signal of that nugget!!!,.........What a way to start a day.  :4chsmu1:  So, Yes, I will be packing an extra (newer and charged) battery with me as backup from now on.  Gary

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