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  1. 5 points
    Hello all. My name is Spencer. I'm AllenJ's son. We've been prospecting for about 1.5 years now in the Butte County, CA area. It started with me purchasing a Gold Bug 2. My father and I went up to the French Creek area to test the detector out and after finding a bunch of shot, we were infected with the sickness and have dedicated most of our free time to prospecting since. I'm not able to get out as much as last year due to being in school again for the first time in 10 years, but since I'm only taking one summer course, we are able to get out about once a week. The attached picture is from one of our best trips out, if not the best trip, last summer. It was one heckuva day.
  2. 3 points
    So im not sure about the mines there Bob, but here 99% of the shift's are a 5-4 schedule. Meaning you rotate between working 5 days on then 4 days off. Then 4 days on and 5 days off. I work Tuesday through Friday and am hourly. The salary folks work Monday through Thursday. The work is as steady as you would ever want and you can do all the OT you want or just work your schedule. The only people around here that work crazy days in a row are exploration companies. Even then the mines are starting to limit their exposure hours "time worked" for safety reasons. There are regular hourly employees that clear 6 digits a year and have 5 days off at a time to play and spend time with the family. Thats only working half a month. Heck even the lower end employees clear $80,000 a year. It is the best industry i have ever been in and I've been at it for almost 13 years now. I have friends that have 4 to 6 years of college and they get what the mining industry pays its entry level folks. It is hard to beat. I wish i could work the hills with my boys and bring in what i make now. Talk about a dream job.
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  4. 2 points
    Does it matter that the indigenous people of the Americas were not vegetarians, had a much shorter lifespan and died by the millions when the Spanish made contact? You should spend some time actually learning facts and history rather than fantasizing about it. The truth about what happened is much more fascinating conversation than the fairy tales you present as facts. What actually happened when Europeans came to this continent is very important history and our lives are so much richer knowing it. Yours would be much richer too if you learned some actual history. You would be wiser and not so easily led into believing preposterous things.
  5. 2 points
    George lived near Walnut Grove...I think that was the name...it was at the top of the hill on the back way to the Rich Hill area...he was a cowboy/cattle rancher and gold hunter. As I recall he found about a dozen gold coins in old mining camps. He got his thumb caught in a lasso once...said it hurt worse than getting stabbed or shot... Maybe Morlock can add to this... fred
  6. 2 points
    Thank you. The only reason I found this was because AllenJ had an idea. His idea paid out. Yeah, I was tired of lurking. I also plan to live vicariously through others once the fall semester starts.
  7. 2 points
    Welcome Spencer! I guess me talking about this forum finally got to you lol. As I'm sure I've said to you already these folks know their stuff and are very helpful. This forum is a great resource.
  8. 2 points
    You live in Wickenburg and you need pointers? How about one that spins around in all directions? Just kidding man! Welcome! You are in the perfect place to figure this stuff out quick. Pester some of the grumpy old mossbacks on this forum about it. Half of them have been swapping spit around Wickenburg for decades. Offer to bring lunch and beer. Wear something sexy if you have to. You are bound to be on gold in no time! One pointer. You need a cool prospector name that projects a bit more confidence than your current handle. Sluicebox Sam, Muckin' Mike or some such clobber. You are going to have to change it as soon as you find gold anyway so get ahead of the curve and getcherself a suitable handle to soak a shirt in. Honestly. See ya round cheekako. Good luck and don't eat the snow worm.
  9. 1 point
    Hi there, Just a quick little story from this summer's prospecting adventures. Two semi-cheechako's (semi-greenhorns/semi-pro rookies) were visiting the claim this summer. They are both nice, budding prospectors with a knack for finding the noble metal. They were working a patch of fractured bedrock that had produced consistent flake-gold and pickers the previous summer. Both of them had spent time with me on previous trips at this spot, and they'd learned a few tricks about how to find the gold. Well, semi-cheechako one really went to town cleaning off the overburden on that bedrock--the cobbles, the clay, the boulders, the gravel--he went hard at it, working a couple of feet right down to the bedrock. It was a lot of sweaty work. Let me tell you, there were some big old boulders jammed into that bedrock. After he'd removed all the bigger stuff, and when he got done scraping everything off, he ran his takin's through a little sluice, and he had a respectable catch of some nice bright-yellow flake gold, all riding company with a few chunky pickers. Not long after that, semi-cheechako two came along with his detector, and he asked number one if he could detect the bedrock he'd just cleaned off. Number one said he had no problem with that, as he'd carefully cleared the cracks and crevices already. He told number two to have at 'er. So, number two ran his detector along the bedrock and got a nice signal that really screamed! You see, it was a sassy little nugget right along the surface, just hiding in plain sight, cleverly disguised in some muddy clay! Well, number one really went all Trojan after that--he cleared off another four feet of bedrock, man did the dirt and rock fly! It took him a long time, and he really made sure each and every crevice was scraped extra clean--including any clay stuck on the bedrock (he's a quick study). As before, he had a nice take of gold in his sluice-box. Number two came along one more time and asked if he could detect the bedrock again. Number one, being very confident he'd gotten all of the gold this time, graciously gave his consent. Budding prospector number two ran his detector over the bedrock and got a nice soft signal out of a crevice. Number one was getting nervous. Number two got out his pick and broke off some perpendicular sheets of bedrock and scanned again--the signal was much louder now. He cleaned the crevice out, portioned the dirt until only the signal remained--dropped it on the coil, splashed a little water on it to remove the clay, and there with all the attitude of the unbridled wilderness-world sat a nice, sassy, butter-yellow pumpkin-seed-sized nugget! To say that number one was not a happy camper is to use understatement on steroids (strangely enough, things went flying-- dark words were given vibrant colors--nature's gentler creatures headed for higher ground--you get the picture); but, eventually number one was a good sport about it--he had given his permission after all--so, as you can imagine, they both had some great stories to tell back in camp that night--painful though it was for number one to do so. And now--only a scant five months later--they both have a good laugh when they tell the story. I'm thinking number one may be investing in a metal detector soon, and scanning his own bedrock! All the best, Lanny
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    Just read this. Hope someone finds it soon. http://amp.timeinc.net/time/money/longform/theres-a-treasure-chest-worth-millions-hidden-somewhere-in-the-rocky-mountains-these-searchers-are-dedicating-their-lives-and-savings-to-finding-it
  11. 1 point
    Gary, Thanks for the correction-it has been many, many years since I was out that way! Perhaps your family knew Sonny Owens? His children were named Wolf and maybe Bug and someone else...you had to cross his property to get to the Hassayampa river . Thanks, BMC...so sad. fred
  12. 1 point
    Interesting that you would quote me but not give credit. I will stand by what I wrote and grant you an education opportunity as a reply. These are not "Known Historical Facts". If you had actually continued your research you would know that Onate (the last conquistador) was prosecuted and convicted of lying in these records and for personally lying to the King about these discoveries. It is a famous and very well documented trial. He was convicted of 13 charges including murdering his second in command and two of his officers along with a few hundred Acoma natives. He was a very stabby guy and couldn't stand even a little criticism even when it came from his best friend and confidant - who he stabbed to death publicly. It was shown that Espejo had concocted his story also but his legacy was mostly excused because Onate based his defense on Espejo having lied. That really didn't matter to the court because Espejo didn't lie to the KING as Onate had and that was the worst crime under Spanish law - a much worse crime than getting all murder stab stab with his officers and friends. Onate was so disliked and distrusted by his expedition colonists that on one of the few occasions he left Santa Fe when he came back after two weeks 3/4 of his colonists and employees had grabbed their stuff and headed back home to northern Mexico. His expedition and his fortunes collapsed shortly thereafter at which point the KING signed a warrant for his arrest and trial. Onate lied to the KING about having a producing silver mine on the Hopi Mesas (there is NO mineralization in that formation). Onate lied to the KING about personally traveling west to reach the Southern Sea where he found pearls heaped upon the shore. Onate lied to the KING about the extent of the Kansas expeditions - leading to him ordering the murder of one of his officers who objected. As far as gold in the Sycamore? Never happened. I owned the gold tooth mine patent at the confluence of the Verde River and Sycamore Creek and lived there for more than a year in the '80s. I know Sycamore Canyon and all it's side canyons intimately from years of exploration. There are NO mineral deposits of any significance. Certainly no gold whatsoever. The flagstone quarry in Sycamore pass between Casner and Black mountain is the only mining that occurred in that area other than at the gold tooth. The gold tooth was not a gold mine. It was named for the little yellow/brown chert inclusions found in the fluorite deposit that was being mined to supply the smelter at Jerome - they resemble yellowed teeth if you use your imagination. The deposit at Jerome is a deeply folded volcanogenic massive sulfide deposit. The Spanish are very familiar with those deposits as they mine several world class deposits of that type in Spain. The central ore body at Jerome begins at the 1,600 foot level. There was a lot of gold found at and below that level. There is no free milling gold or silver near the surface. Some very oxidized copper minerals were exposed in a small patch above the many Jerome mines - you can still see that patch today if you can get permission to climb above the pit. That was the only surface exposure. "Ore"? Well sure if you are just dying to find something to report back so you can get more men and supplies. I've read Espejo's reports from this period and knowing the area well I can only conclude his reports were fantasy based on stories gleaned from natives he questioned in his travels. The simple fact he never provided any samples of his "rich ore" is more than suspicious in my mind particularly when combined with the fact that the deposits he "discovered" that Onate claimed to have mined never existed.
  13. 1 point
    Nice gold and welcome to the forum.
  14. 1 point
    I like your attitude and approach: just one step closer . . . All the best, and thanks for your kind words, Lanny
  15. 1 point
    The last job I had was a salaried position that was supposed to be a 5 day a week job. Managing Haz Mat and asbestos abatement projects for New Mexico State University. I worked 10-12 hours a day and most of the actual work I supervised was on the weekend. So I wound up working about 60 hours a week and was on site each and every day for weeks on end. It was salaried so I made the same pay no matter how many hours I worked. Once in a while I would have a lull in jobs and have some free time on a weekday afternoon. I had to take sick leave to get off early no matter how many hours I had worked that pay period. If I rolled in 15 minutes late for lunch I had to take it off my sick leave. If I needed time to get a haircut or go to the bank during business hours I had to get approval to leave the site and take it off my sick leave. I don't know how many times I had 60 hours on my time card and an hour or so sick leave off my balance because I had to run an errand or do some personal business. Employees got lots of holidays and a nice 11 day winter holiday. But since my gig was asbestos and Haz Mat cleanup my jobs were scheduled over the holidays and long weekends. So while everyone else got those days off I was expected to work. For free. And have that asbestos outta there when they came back from vacation. And if I needed some time off I could take sick leave. I worked two Christmases in a row. I was scheduled to work Christmas number three but didn't quite make it that far. My boss showed up about three days a week and generally lasted until about lunch unless they were handing out awards in the afternoon. She made a $125K a year and had a car, a big office, a phone and all her internet and computer hardware was paid for by the college. Travel budget, company card and the works. She was a purple blur of silicone, mascara, pills and alcohol. She was a student at the college whose father made a million dollar endowment fund so she could get accepted into a PhD program. She got her PhD and then got a job managing a department. She had been going to that campus every day for 40 years and had never worked anywhere else in her life. She has a young hotshot managing her projects now. I'm making a hundred bucks a day in the desert and things are just peachy.
  16. 1 point
    ahhh, no more politics…my dream.
  17. 1 point
    My current schedule is 5 on 2 off, NO chance for overtime unless there was a PAID holiday prior, then the company still only pays straight time for "actual" work hours on site. The next gig, runs til March 2020, is 4 10s and 2 8s MANDATORY. If I could pull 2-3 GRAMS a day outta the ground, I'd be happy. No bull riding my @$$ to work faster. No more company BS. No more politics.
  18. 1 point
    Sounds like you are living the reality too my friend. I slept in motels, chased jobs all over the southwest and burned a million gallons of gasoline trying to make a career out of it. Oilfield, mining, and construction is all the same. Only the chosen few can make good permanent careers out of it. The rest do the lions share of the work and have to duct tape their boots together to feed the kids. They live in apartments and trailer parks in towns that most Americans would not live in. They get stuck in the tradesman role due to their financial situation and never make it to supervisory or management positions. As the larger companies cannibalize the smaller ones opportunity shrinks, things get more vertical and situations become even more impossible for the working man. And the work is always boom and bust. As you pointed out the only sure way to make a good living for your family is to work all the time. Many construction and extraction jobs are super long shifts and strange hours that demand a guy have a whole support crew to handle it. A single man just cant work 30 days straight for 12 hour shifts and still feed and clothe himself. He can't have a life at all. He can only offer a life for someone at home who can back him up. The same living in a motel somewhere on a project that demands your full attention. Or even a local residential contractor. Most have unrealistic expectations of what a man can handle for the compensation he is getting. Often it is not about the money it is about a schedule that balances home life with work and allows at least a day or two per month to relax. This is almost unheard of in positions that pay a living wage now days. Most trades jobs these days are balls to the wall until it is done. Then you draw unemployment until something else comes along. Either that or you move to Clovis and work on that new pipeline project. Maybe you can get a job for the government contractor but the contract is up for bid next year and they might not get it again. Maybe go off to Kuwait for a 2 year contract and hope your wife and kids still call you daddy when you get back. These are the realities in the industrial trades gigs. And it is only getting meaner and more demanding as time goes by.
  19. 1 point
    If you've never worked in the construction trades, it's difficult to wrap your head around how it all works.
  20. 1 point
    If only it were that simple!!! But their are guys that cannot get work anywhere but the low-ballers. Usually due to bad personal decisions or are in-between major projects. "MY" area goes something like this- All the major players that pay great money, the requirements are that you are a member of the good ol boys club. These companies are extremely incestuous. Family and friends. The outsiders do ALL the work under the "management" of the club. Pay is great, decent benefits, little to no profit sharing. They do mass layoffs after major projects (1+ year projects) and use temp manpower to do a lot of the manual labor portion for the skilled tradesman. The next group of good payers, $#!t you out as soon as the project is over. They go after the low hanging fruit, leaving us to hunt work after a few months or more of good pay but NO benefits. Their projects are spaced sporadically, could be a 6 month wait. Can't feed a family like this, maybe good for the young folks that do not have financial skills. Low ballers, usually have steady work, but pay crap and little to no benefits. The "skilled" tradesman does ALL the work, usually solo or if your lucky you'll get an apprentice for certain projects. These companies dangle the carrot of "steady" work. Finding a permanent home as a "commercial/industrial" electrician is difficult. If you're on the residential side, you really should work the service end. It pays well here, in the right company. Commissions on service tickets run 35-65% plus your hourly rate, company truck, gas card, etc. The hours for service folks are HORRID. You're on call 24/7/365. Friends of mine work this side and they take home $95-120K a year. But they're never home, that money just sits in the bank. No vacations, no outings, picnics, get togethers, nada.
  21. 1 point
    I do not agree with the title , I always have a hard time finding gold Nice pieces !
  22. 1 point
    From a living legend, to a legend. We can only hope to end that way. Never met the man, but sure wish I had. RIP Kyle
  23. 1 point
    Panning for Gold on Butte Creek Rain can't keep Me and Gary ( Two toes ) from heading out to Butte Creek to look for Gold. Umbrella Weather for sure !!!!! Ladybugs, deer and Gold !!!!!! a group of Ladybugs is called a Loveliness Thanks for watching !!!! Jeff
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    article written by a female native thirty some years ago. spanish were amazed to discover that the natives had twice the life span as they did. natives then were vegetarians and considered animals as their brothers and sisters. seventy year old half-breed in smoke tree area California me met in 1974 had a mate fifty years younger and six kids. he out lived her returned to mother earth at the age of 106. me still seeking a twenty some year old mate. fun making kids.
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