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    The rivers would be the easiest route of travel, especially the more pack animals that are taken on a trip. I would put likely routes of travel on any of those rivers listed on the maps and would not be surprised if at some point exploration parties were not sent out along any of those rivers. Some of the Spanish exploration parties were rather big, and I think they would of sent at least scouting parties up some of the tributaries. For the 300 years they were in AZ, the Spanish were in the new world to make money to take back to the old world, so in the amount of time they were here, not sending scouting parties would seem to be negligent. I'm just not convinced all these forays they did across Arizona found a whole lot worth them coming back, so I doubt there's much out there worth finding. I think these forays they did were not much more profitable than all my prospecting trips.
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    There are instances where the BLM retains mining rights on State Trust Land, but for me its way to complicated to research, and there's way to much open BLM land. I asked Clay about some BLM claims filed on State Trust Land on the other side of the Hassunyumpa river South of Castle Hot Springs Road. My less than perfect memory remembers him saying there are certain instances where the BLM gives land to the State, which I think is in Early Statehood or pre-Statehood, but retains the BLM retains the subsurface rights. For me researching this is near impossible because unfortunately you need to go through the plats and each issue of the federal register to see what they did with each township, range, and section. These are digitized, but there's no easy way to search for that info In particular I was upset about a club that maintained a claim in that area on top of state trust land. When I contacted the club, they said the claim was good, but I could not get any details from them. The state trust land in this area retains the subsurface rights. What I did with that club is not go to that claim, and I dropped my yearly membership.
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    Most BLM that changes hands is a result of a land swap. They give up some land in exchange for access somewhere else. At least that is the way it goes in New Mexico. There is a pretty strict set of guidelines about that. You have to be pretty important to game that system. BLM land just does not change hands unless there is justification of some sort and it goes through a swap process. If BLM is turning into State Trust then there are probably some acres of State Trust or private land that is creating access to some BLM or National Forest somewhere. There are public records of that stuff and the local BLM office will be able to tell you all about it. Land changing hands is a fairly big deal and there is always opposition by concerned groups and individuals. So opinions are easy to come by on both sides. Clay is bound to chime in to tell us all exactly how it happened. He is the expert on this kind of thing but is slow to respond until he can correct someone. That is where I come in. I have offered a generalized opinion with only a little experience in the subject. This should put just enough red meat in the water to get Clay to come in and tell us what is happening on the Hassayampa.
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    This is very interesting! My father in law grew up in West Texas near Uvalde...He said that when he was around 11 or 12, he was hiking up a canyon and saw a small cave opening...He was able to squeeze himself partly into the cave to where he could look in with his flashlight ... He said he saw a skeleton with spanish armor and helmet...There was a rotted bag mixed with a pile of gold ... He was afraid to force himself through the tight opening and decided he would wait until he had someone else with him to help him bring out the finds ...When he and some friends went back more than a year later...Typical treasure story: They couldn't find the cave again...He said they went back a few times but never could find it... The maps you've published above show one of the spanish trails going pretty near where he made his find...
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    SPANISH EXPLORERS IN THE BRADSHAWS? (part 3) Points To Consider: Whether or not Spanish missionaries, or Indians directed by the Spanish, engaged in any mining North of the Gila river in Arizona, is to me, totally irrelevant to the topical issue of the possible historical existence and presence of Spanish explorers in the Bradshaws. The point is this: The Spanish were certainly in the general vicinity North of the Bradshaw Mts and were seeking, discovering and mining valuable metal deposits. Whether they passed through the Bradshaws or not, remains an open question, however a logical inference exists that they very well may have, because: The Spanish explorers were known to follow waterways, rivers, stream beds etc during their expeditions. The Verde river is close to the Bradshaw Mts. and runs South, emptying into the Rio Salado (Salt river), near/in Phoenix, (a known egress route and tributary of the Gila river as they returned to New Spain) Note: The Agua Fria River is a 120-mile long intermittent stream which flows South, beginning 20 miles East-Northeast of Prescott.The Agua Fria runs through Black Canyon and empties into Lake Pleasant. That is why I continue to consider it possible or even likely that the so called, Mine Trail Monuments may have been created by the Spanish since they greatly resemble those which are photographically depicted in Kenworthy's works. (What the Santa Rita New Mexico copper deposit has to do with the subject, I have no idea) however, its inclusion as a counter point in the argument appears to show a lack of knowledge of the actual proximity mining which the Spanish were involved in North of the Gila and the geographical presence of Spanish miners and explorers relevant to the issue.
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    SPANISH EXPLORERS IN THE BRADSHAWS? (part 2) From the Historical Record: "In 1583, (some records show 1582), a Spanish expedition under Antonio de Espejo departed Zuni, New Mexico, entering Eastern Arizona searching for gold and silver. They continued West/North West, ultimately crossing the little Colorado river and the Verde river. Near present-day Jerome, the Spaniards found "rich silver and copper deposits", where Espejo saw a large mine shaft that had been hacked out of the rocks by the Indians who used the oxidized copper ores for paints and pigment. Nearby, a large canyon that empties into the Verde River called Sycamore Canyon, was discovered by members of the Espejo expedition where prospectors from Espejo's party found gold. The Spaniards recorded the location on a map and eventually returned to Mexico City, loaded down with mineral specimens" "Espejo said of the mines, I found them, and with my own hands I extracted ore from them, said by those who know, to be rich and to contain much silver.The region where these mines are found is for the most part mountainous, as is also the road leading to them . Espejo eventually returned to Zuni and then to New Spain (Mexico), where many were to hear his reports of country through which he had passed and of the rich mines he had found." "The discovery of these mines near Prescott caused new Spanish expeditions to be sent through north eastern Arizona. The next royal contract to operate the mines was won by Don Juan de Onate whose Conquistador father . . . was a wealthy silver mine owner in Mexico." In N o v em b e r 1598, Onate sent Captain Marcos Farfan with eight men in to (Arizona) to find Espejo's mines. Evidence indicates that Farfan crossed the Upper Verde River north of Prescott and reached the general vicinity of Espejo's mines. Farfan and his m e n staked out over sixty claims and returned to San Juan (NM) with rich ore samples containing silver. " Although historical records do not indicate what quantities of ore were produced by Espejo's venture, it is an important occasion, if for no other reason than that it marks the beginning of metal mining in Arizona. Juan de Onate is also reported to have found rich silver ore during an expedition in 1604 along the Santa Maria and Bill Williams rivers." (Same Westward travel route near Prescott and Bradshaw Mts) TO BE CONTINUED:
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    SPANISH EXPLORERS IN THE BRADSHAWS? (part 1) The location of the disputed "Mine Trail Monuments" is in the Black Canyon area of the Bradshaw Mts (N/W of Black Canyon City) The Bradshaw Mts area is/was considered a "world class" gold area, roughly 40 miles long by 25 miles wide (highly mineralized) with numerous mines, prospects, gossan outcrops and placer gold deposits) In many places, it is steep, rough, rugged country. In a previous forum discussion, the following was authoritatively asserted: (supposedly, to show proof that the Spanish never ventured as far as the Bradshaw Mts of Arizona) QUOTE: "The closest the Spanish ever came to the Bradshaws was the area around the upper Agua Fria when they were looking for the route to the Bill Williams and the Colorado River. Mining by missionaries or by Indians directed by Spanish did not occur in Arizona north of the Gila River. The Spanish did mine the copper deposit at Santa Rita. The records of the workings and product of that mine were well recorded but of course Santa Rita is above the Mimbres valley in New Mexico hundreds of miles from the Bradshaws. We are still mining copper at Santa Rita (Chino mine)" END QUOTE. Known Historical Facts: 1) Spanish explorers/prospectors crossed the Verde River, (which is North/East of Prescott), and traveled through the area in the "general vicinity North of Prescott" more than once. (Prescott is considered to be the Northern most edge of the Bradshaw Mts. (see map) 2) A fork of the Verde River N. of the Bradshaws runs into Sycamore creek/canyon where the Spanish discovered gold, and also discovered copper and silver deposits at Jerome (about 34 miles from Prescott) Limited mining resulted and mineral resources were never fully developed by the Spanish, (for various reasons), many due to political and religious infighting, fractional governmental power struggles, personal and prosecutorial enmities, and geographical disadvantages (to mention a few) TO BE CONTINUED:
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    Newsboy etc. are my backyard. There has been no transfer of land to the State in that area since 1971. Chris is right. It is possible to make a federal mining claim on some State Trust lands. It's not as straightforward as a regular mining claim but it is possible. A little less than a million acres of State Trust lands have the minerals reserved to the United States. That's a big chunk of woohoo! but don't expect the State or the BLM to make it easy. There is a lot more to know before you claim State lands, the first and most important being that you can't prospect for a claim normally. Forget about detecting or drywashing State lands without giving notice, at least a 30 day waiting period and posting a money bond with the BLM. Even then you can only prospect for 90 days per round. No mining, no surface disturbance. If you do discover valuable minerals the process behind mining these areas is complex but it is doable. I'm not sure which "old" claims you are looking at. John Salzman (sp?) had a bunch of claims in that area but I think they have all been closed now. Closed claims don't mean anything. Once a claim is closed the land reverts to the previous status, no one has "control" of a closed claim. That area has a bunch of patented private land (including the newsboy group) as well as a FERC withdrawal so claiming is a little different even on the BLM managed lands. The area is heavily claimed due to the rich hardrock Lithium pods found there gaining a lot of market value lately. I haven't looked close lately but I'm guessing if any ground is still open it's going to be hard to find. If you are looking for gold there are better areas nearby.
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    @Andyy, ALL meteorites have Iron (Except Carbonaceous Chrondrites, Lunar, Martian, Howardites, and a FEW VERY RARE TYPES) - NOT DETECTABLE - NO IRON . You can grind down a small section and you will always see iron "Flakes" unless it is a Pallasite (IE Stoney / Iron in which you will have olivine, the extraterrestrial version of peridot), and complete Iron Meteorites which literally feels like pure iron which is a Nickle/Iron Matrix. The stone that "Brownnugget" Was showing would've fallen under the "Common Chrondrite" - H5 or L4 more than likely type meteorite which is still rare, but its the common version of meteorites. It had me fooled, and I would've had to look at it in person to make a call. If you ground off a small section and saw no flakes, it was more than likely hematite / magnetite. Thanks for your help in the past with your knowledge.
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    They react in exactly the same way when they encounter someone sniffing drainpipes and mumbling incoherently.
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    The Roadrunner Prospector's club had several good claims years ago. I would imagine that they still do. https://www.roadrunnergold.com/ https://www.roadrunnergold.com/membership-information/
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    This is one of the weirdest and most fun reads I've had in a long time. The thousands of pages on Spanish signs and symbols is always good fun to see a discussion on - we've had quite a few of them over the years but few as far out as this one. There have been some signs and symbols found, well-known and true, but building rock outcrops with mortar was not among them no matter how long you stare at them - I sure wish, since it seems BMc you had a camera with you, that you'd taken a moment to snap one of some of these clues. and Bob your Feb. 28th post had me literally crying with laughter. You have always had a brilliant take on humor even though it stings on occasion. That post had my wife, who could care less about anything to do with southwest spanish treasure lore, hysterically laughing as well. I always wonder where you find the time to set out your premises but some legends are better off not knowing the answers to. Thanks everyone for another off-the-wall forum thread.
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    Looks like an old meteorite, like Gold Basin, Arizona...
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    NICE GOLD! I suggest you grind a window and take a look...it could be a low iron/nickel chrondrite. fred
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    Btw no junk. Minelab Pro-find 35’s and an equinox 800 just to start off. There will be more
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    First off let me start by saying I am not sponsored, back, or paid by any company or dealer. I purchase this equipment out right. I’ve been a member here for sometime and those that know me no this is real
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