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  1. 2 points
    Interesting that you would quote me but not give credit. I will stand by what I wrote and grant you an education opportunity as a reply. These are not "Known Historical Facts". If you had actually continued your research you would know that Onate (the last conquistador) was prosecuted and convicted of lying in these records and for personally lying to the King about these discoveries. It is a famous and very well documented trial. He was convicted of 13 charges including murdering his second in command and two of his officers along with a few hundred Acoma natives. He was a very stabby guy and couldn't stand even a little criticism even when it came from his best friend and confidant - who he stabbed to death publicly. It was shown that Espejo had concocted his story also but his legacy was mostly excused because Onate based his defense on Espejo having lied. That really didn't matter to the court because Espejo didn't lie to the KING as Onate had and that was the worst crime under Spanish law - a much worse crime than getting all murder stab stab with his officers and friends. Onate was so disliked and distrusted by his expedition colonists that on one of the few occasions he left Santa Fe when he came back after two weeks 3/4 of his colonists and employees had grabbed their stuff and headed back home to northern Mexico. His expedition and his fortunes collapsed shortly thereafter at which point the KING signed a warrant for his arrest and trial. Onate lied to the KING about having a producing silver mine on the Hopi Mesas (there is NO mineralization in that formation). Onate lied to the KING about personally traveling west to reach the Southern Sea where he found pearls heaped upon the shore. Onate lied to the KING about the extent of the Kansas expeditions - leading to him ordering the murder of one of his officers who objected. As far as gold in the Sycamore? Never happened. I owned the gold tooth mine patent at the confluence of the Verde River and Sycamore Creek and lived there for more than a year in the '80s. I know Sycamore Canyon and all it's side canyons intimately from years of exploration. There are NO mineral deposits of any significance. Certainly no gold whatsoever. The flagstone quarry in Sycamore pass between Casner and Black mountain is the only mining that occurred in that area other than at the gold tooth. The gold tooth was not a gold mine. It was named for the little yellow/brown chert inclusions found in the fluorite deposit that was being mined to supply the smelter at Jerome - they resemble yellowed teeth if you use your imagination. The deposit at Jerome is a deeply folded volcanogenic massive sulfide deposit. The Spanish are very familiar with those deposits as they mine several world class deposits of that type in Spain. The central ore body at Jerome begins at the 1,600 foot level. There was a lot of gold found at and below that level. There is no free milling gold or silver near the surface. Some very oxidized copper minerals were exposed in a small patch above the many Jerome mines - you can still see that patch today if you can get permission to climb above the pit. That was the only surface exposure. "Ore"? Well sure if you are just dying to find something to report back so you can get more men and supplies. I've read Espejo's reports from this period and knowing the area well I can only conclude his reports were fantasy based on stories gleaned from natives he questioned in his travels. The simple fact he never provided any samples of his "rich ore" is more than suspicious in my mind particularly when combined with the fact that the deposits he "discovered" that Onate claimed to have mined never existed.
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    Just read this. Hope someone finds it soon. http://amp.timeinc.net/time/money/longform/theres-a-treasure-chest-worth-millions-hidden-somewhere-in-the-rocky-mountains-these-searchers-are-dedicating-their-lives-and-savings-to-finding-it
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    Why would a person want to live so long unable to eat MEAT ? My eyes or on the front of my head. Not the Sides like a Sheep. Just asking .
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    I don't know that they would have known him, fred..... My grandparents owned a ranch down there when my dad was very young. They then moved to Skull Valley, and then to Prescott. My dad passed away in 1989 ( at age 62,..way to young), and the only info that I have about them in Walnut Grove is an old faded picture of their place down there, and a brief history of my dad's upbringing down there. Gary
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    Lanny, I see you haven't heard how the accident happened, and it may be that the people that know the story are a little reluctant to mention the details. I thought about it long and hard myself, and decided to go ahead and tell it since I believe we can still show respect and honor his memory while doing so. I didn't know George but I heard how he had been killed in a tragic accident somewhere in the mountains, while chaining down a Cat to haul it out on a flat bed trailer. A chain broke and it fell on him, pinned him, and cut him in two. His son was with him when it happened, and went for help, brought back George's wife, Deputy Sheriff, EMT's etc. There was nothing that could be done to save his life but he was able to say goodby to his wife and son. It's a gruesome story and to make it worse, I heard about it in the context of 2 other tragic accidents involving prospector's who died sudden violent deaths. The story was being told and linked as a possible curse on 5 guys who were gold hunting buddies. They had found a large multi-pound nugget patch in an area where a Native prospector was also detecting. Supposedly, the Native guy was run off of the patch and as he left he said "all of you will regret this" Shortly thereafter, the accidents began to happen. George was the first one killed. The second death was a guy killed in an auto accident (I believe it was somewhere in Texas), the third death was Terry Bone who was hit by a train at Pronto crossing, West of Winnemucca, Nev. on June 23, 1996. (see newspaper story) I hunted gold with Prospector No. 4, who showed me a quart jar, over half full of nuggets that he said was his share of gold remaining after he had sold the rest and paid cash for a new white Dodge Ram 4x4 pick up he was driving, and a new green Yamaha Grizzly he carried in the bed of the truck. When we went out, it was the first time he had been nugget hunting in over 2 years because of his apparent belief in, (or concern about) the curse. I visited #5 at his ranch near Wagoner around the same time, and he didn't seem to be bothered about anything, but he wasn't quite ready to venture out yet either. R.I.P George M. and T-Bone. Gone but not forgotten. Mac
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    Hey fred,... my dad was born on a ranch in, or around Walnut Grove (Yavapai County, AZ). You can pull it up on Google maps. But, it isn't anywhere near Rich Hill. The turn off to Walnut Grove, Az. is off-of Hwy 89 South, just past Kirkland Junction (Kirkland valley Rd). There are some fairly good gold placers over there, and a number of claims ( a few being the Roadrunners); and as I understand a company has plans of re-opening a fairly large gold mining operation over there that has been there for many years, but shut down. I'm familiar with the back road out of Yarnell, Az. that snakes down into the East side of Rich Hill, but I've never heard of a Walnut Grove over that way. Gary
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    George lived near Walnut Grove...I think that was the name...it was at the top of the hill on the back way to the Rich Hill area...he was a cowboy/cattle rancher and gold hunter. As I recall he found about a dozen gold coins in old mining camps. He got his thumb caught in a lasso once...said it hurt worse than getting stabbed or shot... Maybe Morlock can add to this... fred
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    The book mentioned by Ron could be - Arizona’s Worst Disaster- The Hassayampa Story 1886–2009 by Jim Liggett https://books.google.com/books/about/Arizona_s_Worst_Disaster.html?id=s15mQgAACAAJ&source=kp_book_description
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