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  1. 7 points
    These forums are a type of social media (like YouTube, FaceBook, etc.) where reality is often distorted in the viewers perception. You see a few people posting gold photos consistently and suddenly it seems very easy to accomplish. Same with reality shows. There are far more lurkers than posters and some of the most successful prospectors - detectorists never join a forum or participate in social media. It’s just not their thing. What you don’t know is as meaningful as what you do know, and as Clay noted - aside from gold, there are many other opportunities with natural resources. Knowledge is a big key. Finding gold consistently is fairly easy to do with experience. Finding enough to exist is one thing, finding enough to thrive is another. It all circles back to what you want and need, especially with living standards. Many people don’t know what they want other than the fact that they want change and more control over their lives. Deciding to be an independent miner is fundamentally a form of risk assessment. Like a few others here, I’ve done small scale and agree that it’s hard work and risk. You have to treat it like a business, because it is. It can be romantic/legendary in thought and it can make for good memories, especially if you can laugh at hard times. There are plenty of places where good gold still exists, and the bottom line is no one gets it all. Everyone leaves gold. It can be fun to chase crumbs, try to find what others may have overlooked or left behind because of something far better in their sights, or be the first in an area to find the big gold trophy nuggets. My daughter recently graduated with her first college degree and is pursuing her second. Before she started college my wife and I asked her to think about what she wanted her days to look like 5, 10, 15, 20, and 30 years from that point in time. It took awhile but she came up with an answer. From there we just needed to apply some ideas about how she could accomplish those states. We knew the end goal, so we began journey planning with that in mind. People change, and their dreams and goals change. Life is short so again, there is nothing wrong with taking a chance if you want to. You can always change course. My point is this, what do you want your working days and your future to look like - construction sites or the gold fields? Are you willing to accept the risks that come with striking out on your own? I have a friend who was in the construction business for himself here in the lower 48. He really wanted to go to Alaska and try his hand at independent mining, so he pulled up stakes here and went north. A lot of research went into the decision and he ended up being a handyman for a few years, but eventually acquired a few claims. Having prospected Alaska myself, I agree Alaska is vast with huge potential. But it’s not a cakewalk. He still has yet to make a profit and maybe when this season is done he will, I sure hope so. Just because you’re passionate about something does not mean that you won’t suck at it. Avocation vs vocation. Other friends of ours wanted to live the “van life”. He and his wife sold their house, 95% of everything they owned, paid off all debt, and hit the road after completing a van build. They kept some cash, made some investments, and now work part time/seasonal jobs to keep their savings as intact as possible. They absolutely love it and never plan on looking back. Now with prospecting you could do the same and give yourself a safety net of sorts. Success, satisfaction, and happiness have different definitions for us all.
  2. 6 points
    Orthoconic ammonite piece, probably Orthoceras. Its an internal mold, “stienkern”, of part of it chambers. We have these all over the black shales in SD. Cool piece!
  3. 5 points
    Wife and I took the Saturday morning tour at the 16 to 1 mine again. This tour included the famous "Ball Room". 2 miles round trip and it was stunning. Loading video to Youtube today.
  4. 5 points
    Hello all. My name is Spencer. I'm AllenJ's son. We've been prospecting for about 1.5 years now in the Butte County, CA area. It started with me purchasing a Gold Bug 2. My father and I went up to the French Creek area to test the detector out and after finding a bunch of shot, we were infected with the sickness and have dedicated most of our free time to prospecting since. I'm not able to get out as much as last year due to being in school again for the first time in 10 years, but since I'm only taking one summer course, we are able to get out about once a week. The attached picture is from one of our best trips out, if not the best trip, last summer. It was one heckuva day.
  5. 4 points
    "Cool piece, / Artifact"....I also see that it is a fossil, as Tom indicated as well, but I, being familiar with Indian artifacts can also see that it had been used as a tool by an early-native Indian tribe that existed in the area where you found it. I have found many of these stones (although not made from a fossil, as this one is) that had been hand-crafted and utilized as a tool for their daily needs. This tool is an "arrow-shaft straightener", as can be seen by the straight grove / slot worn in it's one side (picture # 3). You might also note (picture # 4) that the opposite side of the grooved side of this fossil has been worn smooth,.......maybe because it had been fitted into the palm of a human's hand and griped tightly while the arrow shaft was being forced thru the groove on the other side,..like holding a wet stone in one hand and sharpening a knife, forcing it against that stone. I have found these arrow-shaft straighteners made of various stones down here in Arizona. Sometimes I would find one that had been started out to be one type of object, but got broken in the process, so who ever was hand-crafting at the time (instead of just throwing it away) would reshape (Re-purposing) the stone for a different purpose. Plus, considering that your stone has such interesting and geometric surface features, it may have been considered as a ceremonial piece as well, thus giving the arrow-shafts straightened-by- it a spiritual, or special significance for the hunter using those arrow-shafts; which, if "conceived and believed" by that hunter this would bring about a more successful hunt. ...........Sort of like conceiving, believing and picturing a gold nugget in your mind before you actually start detecting a particular likely spot,...Aye???????? Gary
  6. 4 points
    Bob, I found this carved stone poodle statue here where I live, it's right on the beach, so I know the Spanish landed here 500 years ago and searched all the area's beaches for gold deposits, I also know they found all of the gold deposits and mined them because they didn't leave a single gold deposit on any of the beaches, I have looked very hard and they are all gone!!
  7. 4 points
    Also meteorites cause fires, a heavy wool coat will keep you cool in the desert heat, laws don't apply to natives on native soil and the postmaster has the key to Kim Kardashian's chastity belt. Wisdom for the ages man. Pure wisdom.
  8. 4 points
    Interesting that you would quote me but not give credit. I will stand by what I wrote and grant you an education opportunity as a reply. These are not "Known Historical Facts". If you had actually continued your research you would know that Onate (the last conquistador) was prosecuted and convicted of lying in these records and for personally lying to the King about these discoveries. It is a famous and very well documented trial. He was convicted of 13 charges including murdering his second in command and two of his officers along with a few hundred Acoma natives. He was a very stabby guy and couldn't stand even a little criticism even when it came from his best friend and confidant - who he stabbed to death publicly. It was shown that Espejo had concocted his story also but his legacy was mostly excused because Onate based his defense on Espejo having lied. That really didn't matter to the court because Espejo didn't lie to the KING as Onate had and that was the worst crime under Spanish law - a much worse crime than getting all murder stab stab with his officers and friends. Onate was so disliked and distrusted by his expedition colonists that on one of the few occasions he left Santa Fe when he came back after two weeks 3/4 of his colonists and employees had grabbed their stuff and headed back home to northern Mexico. His expedition and his fortunes collapsed shortly thereafter at which point the KING signed a warrant for his arrest and trial. Onate lied to the KING about having a producing silver mine on the Hopi Mesas (there is NO mineralization in that formation). Onate lied to the KING about personally traveling west to reach the Southern Sea where he found pearls heaped upon the shore. Onate lied to the KING about the extent of the Kansas expeditions - leading to him ordering the murder of one of his officers who objected. As far as gold in the Sycamore? Never happened. I owned the gold tooth mine patent at the confluence of the Verde River and Sycamore Creek and lived there for more than a year in the '80s. I know Sycamore Canyon and all it's side canyons intimately from years of exploration. There are NO mineral deposits of any significance. Certainly no gold whatsoever. The flagstone quarry in Sycamore pass between Casner and Black mountain is the only mining that occurred in that area other than at the gold tooth. The gold tooth was not a gold mine. It was named for the little yellow/brown chert inclusions found in the fluorite deposit that was being mined to supply the smelter at Jerome - they resemble yellowed teeth if you use your imagination. The deposit at Jerome is a deeply folded volcanogenic massive sulfide deposit. The Spanish are very familiar with those deposits as they mine several world class deposits of that type in Spain. The central ore body at Jerome begins at the 1,600 foot level. There was a lot of gold found at and below that level. There is no free milling gold or silver near the surface. Some very oxidized copper minerals were exposed in a small patch above the many Jerome mines - you can still see that patch today if you can get permission to climb above the pit. That was the only surface exposure. "Ore"? Well sure if you are just dying to find something to report back so you can get more men and supplies. I've read Espejo's reports from this period and knowing the area well I can only conclude his reports were fantasy based on stories gleaned from natives he questioned in his travels. The simple fact he never provided any samples of his "rich ore" is more than suspicious in my mind particularly when combined with the fact that the deposits he "discovered" that Onate claimed to have mined never existed.
  9. 4 points
    I got the point. My intent was to illustrate one path to the objective - not the only one. Just prospecting as a single man is not a paying profession. Prospectors seek and miners remove what prospectors find. Prospecting without the skills involved in mining means you will have to sell your discoveries. To sell those discoveries you need a knowledge of, and credibility, in the industry of mining - my point. There are at least two prospectors on this forum who make a decent paycheck from the recurring payments received from the mining leases on their prospecting discoveries. Both of those individuals are trained professionals with degrees and practical experience in the industry. Both these individuals also nugget hunt. I doubt either one of them could even pay the grocery bill much less their mortgage, utilities, medical and transportation costs from the gold in hand they get by nugget hunting despite their education and years of experience. That doesn't mean it's impossible to do but if successful pros haven't been able to pull it off ... There are thousands of professional prospectors working all over the mining states in an industry that generates more than a billion dollars a year. They would be really puzzled by any implication they aren't prospectors or that they work for the big mining companies. These guys and gals actually hike into rugged areas to work long hours in the desert and snow. When not researching potential prospects their working days are spent in the field. They, virtually to the person, love that aspect of their profession. Their job involves real boots on the ground prospecting and not a one of them would consider wearing cowboy boots or Italian shoes while they do their work. Very few of them are dickheads but feel free to call them out on that and see just how tough real professional full time prospectors are. In my profession we deal with a lot of these 2-8 man companies. I think every one of them would tell you that without a real working knowledge of the industry and some intense education and research you can't survive as a prospector in today's world. Sniffing around for nuggets is a great pastime but it doesn't consistently pay the bills. If you are only prospecting for gold you will walk right over valuable prospects for other metals and minerals that could pay your bills while you look for the next nugget. Don't worry though, while you may miss the easy payoff there will be a professional right behind you to prospect, claim, explore and lease those minerals so they can continue paying their bills while prospecting for their next payout. Prospecting is just one of the skilled jobs in the mining industry. Mining (including prospecting) has been an industry for all of recorded history. Little has changed over that history because like most real professions what actually works doesn't change much over time. Trying to go against the flow of what actually works in mining would be akin to deciding, as an electrician, that the 50 amp leg you are putting in will be fine supported by a 16 gauge solid aluminum wire. You just can't fool mother nature - the real world will always come back to smack you into sense if you survive your hubris. Mining is a well developed group of professional jobs that work together to bring metals and minerals to market at a profit. Even the smallest prospector will eventually have to engage other members of the mining profession if only to take advantage of the existing market structure and quality assurance (assays). A real paying gold strike of any size is going to require either employees or partners to get the gold out and turn it into money. Just wandering between nugget patches hoping the next patch will feed you long enough is a tough row to hoe. I already wrote that didn't I? Seems to be a recurring theme over the last few thousand years. A prospector who doesn't think they belong in the mining industry will have to find another profession. Prospecting has been an integral and essential part of the mining business since day one. Pretending you can work outside the industry while hoping to make a living without the education and knowledge to be gained from thousands of years is a formula for failure. I tried to suggest one way to gain the knowledge and experience you will need while transitioning from electrician to full time prospector. I'm sure other professionals can add some real working knowledge of how that might be successfully accomplished. All personal opinions and sartorial suggestions are also welcome.
  10. 4 points
    We all understand your past…that's a huge reason why we are all here - to evade dickheads in cowboy boots and Italian shoes.
  11. 3 points
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  12. 3 points
    We went out to one of my new favorite spots today looking for rhodonite ,and Arizona Jade and yes we found plenty, a whole mountain of rhodonite but no jade. This is a lost area of Arizona, only listed in a few prospecting books, and usually only has 1 line of details. but what you find here is Amazing. I will put a few picture on so you can get an idea of what I am saying, but what I want to know is what king of material, dirt or rock this drift mine is composed of. It is at eyeball level to a wash and if we had not been looking for more hand stacked rocks today we never would have found it. The material is very soft, you can dig it out with a twig. The drift goes back a good 50 - 60 feet, you have to crawl through it. It is layered in a grayish-white with brown layers and purple layers . Photos of the area:
  13. 3 points
    Yep, dove and quail and people going out shooting clay pigeons. Common shot for those are 7,1/2's and 8's so thats a lot of shot per shell left out there for us to dig.
  14. 3 points
    Without a doubt, something every gold pickin dude and gal would want to take. 83,000 oz pockets of gold.
  15. 3 points
    Hey Gary...I'm still in Facebook jail but I wanted to tell you and your better half how happy I am that she's back home with you and having her situations treated well ... Cheers, Unc
  16. 3 points
    It is sad in a way. Remember the old adage ."even a blind squirrel can find a nut"? My guess is someone that wasn't even looking for the treasure will stumble onto it.
  17. 3 points
    You don't get invited to many parties do you Clay?
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  19. 3 points
    George lived near Walnut Grove...I think that was the name...it was at the top of the hill on the back way to the Rich Hill area...he was a cowboy/cattle rancher and gold hunter. As I recall he found about a dozen gold coins in old mining camps. He got his thumb caught in a lasso once...said it hurt worse than getting stabbed or shot... Maybe Morlock can add to this... fred
  20. 3 points
    So im not sure about the mines there Bob, but here 99% of the shift's are a 5-4 schedule. Meaning you rotate between working 5 days on then 4 days off. Then 4 days on and 5 days off. I work Tuesday through Friday and am hourly. The salary folks work Monday through Thursday. The work is as steady as you would ever want and you can do all the OT you want or just work your schedule. The only people around here that work crazy days in a row are exploration companies. Even then the mines are starting to limit their exposure hours "time worked" for safety reasons. There are regular hourly employees that clear 6 digits a year and have 5 days off at a time to play and spend time with the family. Thats only working half a month. Heck even the lower end employees clear $80,000 a year. It is the best industry i have ever been in and I've been at it for almost 13 years now. I have friends that have 4 to 6 years of college and they get what the mining industry pays its entry level folks. It is hard to beat. I wish i could work the hills with my boys and bring in what i make now. Talk about a dream job.
  21. 3 points
    These are not miners these are tradesmen. These are wage earners working at a corporate mining operation. Only a tiny handful are independent miners and the vast majority of them fail for the reasons outlined above. The discussion was about an individual getting out of that rat race and fossicking a hundred bucks a day as an independent. Not getting a corporate job as an electrician in the mining industry. For all practical purposes mining = construction when you are talking about wages, skilled crafts involved, actual work processes performed, etc. etc. A skilled craftsman can work for peanuts making a contractor wealthy or he can play the corporate game on bigger jobs (or mines) and make Davis Bacon wages or better. Or he can get disgusted with the whole soul sucking scene and strike out on his own. In other words I don't see the discussion as being about getting a job in the mining industry. Nor "prospecting" as it relates to the mining industry. I don't see the discussion being about the mining industry at all. I see it as a discussion about freedom and doing something more meaningful before you get old. An independent prospector is to the mining industry what a deer hunter is to the meat processing business. No one smells the crisp fall air and yearns to get a job pulling the hides off cattle. Likewise an electrician unfulfilled with years of pulling wire for a dickhead in cowboy boots on a construction job does not dream of pulling wire for a dickhead in Italian shoes on a copper mine. He wants to go out and find some placer gold and be free of all the BS. At least that is how I see it.
  22. 3 points
    Dude that is rough, especially for a skilled trade like that. I work for the mining industry in northern Nevada and the electricians are the highest paid on the mine sites. Im talking 38 to 45 bucks an hour for a 12.5 hr day. Thats some good pay! Might be worth looking into for ya.
  23. 3 points
    Very good point Ron. The majority of paying placer operations that fail do so because of the sticky finger problem. If the placer deposit is big enough to pay out for a reasonable time you will need to work with employees or working partners. Both are notorious for taking their pay out of the box and "forgetting" about their five finger bonuses when payday comes around. Security takes on a whole new meaning when you are working with friends and partners. Gold often causes reasonable people do some very unreasonable things.
  24. 3 points
    Nearly 1/4 million people mine full time for a living in the United States. Mining can be a very profitable profession. Trained journeyman and master electricians (IBEW?) are an employable group in mining. The wages and benefits are better than most other skilled professions. Prospecting on the other hand is a highly technical and speculative profession that can pay off very well occasionally. If you are prepared for long periods between paychecks in an interesting job with a significant risk profile prospecting might work for you. The problem with a lone individual making a living prospecting is that you will be in competition with some seriously smart, educated, motivated and experienced professionals with financing. Mostly exploration geologists working in groups of three to eight or so. That business is highly competitive right now due to the squeeze the big mining companies are experiencing and the lack of available financing from skittish stock markets. Prospectors by the very nature of their profession do not mine - they sell, partner or lease the mineral deposits they have discovered and defined. It really helps to understand the current market and company needs as well as having some inside contacts if you want to go that route. A degree from a good mining school is also a good idea. Untrained and unknown prospectors with even a fantastic discovery are going to have a very difficult time getting in the door of a potential mining partner these days. If you are thinking of prospecting/mining as a single person job you've got a tough row to hoe. The knowledge base, skill set and physical requirements are much greater than mining for a living or prospecting. In Arizona, on BLM managed lands, there are currently about 25 permitted placer gold mining operations. How many of these are profitable is anyone's guess as that information is kept private but in my experience I would be surprised if more than two or three of those are active, profitable operations at any given time. I guarantee you the profitable ones have paid their dues many times over to get where they are. I know of a few metal detectorists in Arizona, California, Nevada that could potentially make a reasonable living by full timing but they all keep their day job. Swinging a detector full time to feed your family is a risky proposition. I do know a few placer and lode miners who manage to feed their families with shovels, breaker bars, sledges, drills, dredges and backbreaking work but I'm sure they would tell you it's not a job that you could ride into retirement age or one that you could continue profitably if you were injured or you had unexpected expenses arise. Maybe consider keeping your current profession but get a job at a mine as an electrician. Keep your ears and eyes open, learn the business side of mining and make some contacts. Perhaps after a few years working at different mines and you might then know if it's even a profession you would enjoy. If you decide it's the thing for you try to sell your skills to an exploration group or even a junior mining company so you can see how professional prospectors work. The whole time work to make those ever valuable contacts within the industry. That's just one possible path to work your way into full time prospecting for profit. Hopefully others in the industry can chime in with their point of view.
  25. 3 points
    I mined full time for a living for about 7 years and did pretty well financially...But what whooped me and my partners was the crew (37 of them) shutting down the pumps whenever we partners left the mine, and jumping into the sluice...They stole some major big nuggets and the local store owner had a deal to guarantee he'd buy any gold from our operation...We finally went broke after an especially hard wet and snowy winter up in the Klamath Mountains on a North Fork, Salmon River trib... But during my years dredging with a 4" Keene I did average about 1 ozt per week... But when gold prices skyrocketed every swingin' richard in the country started making finding ground quite difficult...Fortunately, as an experienced local, I knew some of the best hidden and productive places ... Mining was challenging to be consistent but back in the day you could do it...Now, I don't think one out of every thousand folks who try to make it is successful....But you've got to take into consideration that prospecting and mining is the most fun you can have with your knickers pulled up.....Cheers, Unc
  26. 2 points
    Happy Birthday Skip. Have a nice one. For all you do, this one's for you.🍻
  27. 2 points
    Welcome to the forum! From my research I would have to agree that most likely what you're finding is pyrite, but if you could verify that it is indeed gold you will have discovered for the most part the first known gold deposits in shale in Illinois, there are a couple of reports but not verifiable that very minor and not commercial viable gold deposits have been found quartz, limestone and chert formations. That being said there is fine gold in some of the streams and rivers in Illinois but it all was brought down from Canada during the ice age by glaciers, here's a bit of info on the fine glacial gold in Illinois, which indeed shows that you might find a little bit of fine gold in the Spoon River. "Gold in Illinois Gold has not been found in sizable quantities in Illinois. Even as a byproduct of other types of mining there are limited reports of any significant amounts of gold being recovered. Nonetheless, Illinois is like many of its neighboring states that have been blessed with at least limited amounts of placer gold deposits in the form of past glacial drifts. Thousands of years ago, glaciers that moved southward from Canada carried richer gravels that contained gold. As these glaciers slowly receded, they dropped these gravels into many of the eastern states in the US, including Illinois. These deposits are generally scattered throughout large areas, and do not accumulate in quantities that are economically feasible for mining, but do provide recreational prospecting opportunities for gold seekers. A few areas with reported gold occurrences are listed below. In Macon County, the Sangamon River and its tributaries have some gold. Fulton County produces fine gold in the Illinois and Spoon Rivers. The Vermillion River in Ford County has produced small amounts of gold in the past. The Embarrass River in Jasper County has also produced some placer gold. In Wabash County, the Wabash River and tributaries have fine gold." A bit more info on gold in Illinois. https://www.isgs.illinois.edu/outreach/geology-resources/gold-its-occurrence-illinois
  28. 2 points
    FB jail. LOL, I'm a Repeated Repeated Repeat OFFENDER. One of my ultra evil accounts ( The Other Me ) just got out from a 30 day stent.
  29. 2 points
    Wow!!! A jewish mountain troll. I've never seen one like that before.
  30. 2 points
    The outfit doing the drilling was Bullfrog Mining...
  31. 2 points
    That "hand carved" camel monument is still being used to lure unsuspecting travelers…to the casino near-by. This thread is breaking new ground on speculation and misinformation, but it's kinda fun.
  32. 2 points
    I have a close family member who is totally into researching Spanish s/s ... He goes into the central AZ mountains and tells me what he and his crew are looking for Be damned, if he doesn't eventually bring back believable evidence, pix, etc... He's got the fever and is willing to put in far more effort than I would looking for my nuggets... I used to chuckle at him, but after near 20 years, I'm a believer too! He's found some remarkable stuff! ... Cheers, Unc
  33. 2 points
    If you listen very carefully you can actually hear the egos rubbing together...
  34. 2 points
    The Newsboy claims were leased by an outfit from Colorado that appears notorious for running financial scams ... They did a bunch of drill holes ... They did hit a drilled pocket that showed 13 ozt per yard but it was at the old Queen of Sheba Mine which is about 4 miles NW from the Newsboy...They have a great geologist on staff, but management doesn't seem to follow his recommendations much, if at all ...Cheers, Unc
  35. 2 points
    Just read this. Hope someone finds it soon. http://amp.timeinc.net/time/money/longform/theres-a-treasure-chest-worth-millions-hidden-somewhere-in-the-rocky-mountains-these-searchers-are-dedicating-their-lives-and-savings-to-finding-it
  36. 2 points
  37. 2 points
    Why would a person want to live so long unable to eat MEAT ? My eyes or on the front of my head. Not the Sides like a Sheep. Just asking .
  38. 2 points
    I don't know that they would have known him, fred..... My grandparents owned a ranch down there when my dad was very young. They then moved to Skull Valley, and then to Prescott. My dad passed away in 1989 ( at age 62,..way to young), and the only info that I have about them in Walnut Grove is an old faded picture of their place down there, and a brief history of my dad's upbringing down there. Gary
  39. 2 points
    Does it matter that the indigenous people of the Americas were not vegetarians, had a much shorter lifespan and died by the millions when the Spanish made contact? You should spend some time actually learning facts and history rather than fantasizing about it. The truth about what happened is much more fascinating conversation than the fairy tales you present as facts. What actually happened when Europeans came to this continent is very important history and our lives are so much richer knowing it. Yours would be much richer too if you learned some actual history. You would be wiser and not so easily led into believing preposterous things.
  40. 2 points
    Thank you. The only reason I found this was because AllenJ had an idea. His idea paid out. Yeah, I was tired of lurking. I also plan to live vicariously through others once the fall semester starts.
  41. 2 points
    Welcome Spencer! I guess me talking about this forum finally got to you lol. As I'm sure I've said to you already these folks know their stuff and are very helpful. This forum is a great resource.
  42. 2 points
    If only it were that simple!!! But their are guys that cannot get work anywhere but the low-ballers. Usually due to bad personal decisions or are in-between major projects. "MY" area goes something like this- All the major players that pay great money, the requirements are that you are a member of the good ol boys club. These companies are extremely incestuous. Family and friends. The outsiders do ALL the work under the "management" of the club. Pay is great, decent benefits, little to no profit sharing. They do mass layoffs after major projects (1+ year projects) and use temp manpower to do a lot of the manual labor portion for the skilled tradesman. The next group of good payers, $#!t you out as soon as the project is over. They go after the low hanging fruit, leaving us to hunt work after a few months or more of good pay but NO benefits. Their projects are spaced sporadically, could be a 6 month wait. Can't feed a family like this, maybe good for the young folks that do not have financial skills. Low ballers, usually have steady work, but pay crap and little to no benefits. The "skilled" tradesman does ALL the work, usually solo or if your lucky you'll get an apprentice for certain projects. These companies dangle the carrot of "steady" work. Finding a permanent home as a "commercial/industrial" electrician is difficult. If you're on the residential side, you really should work the service end. It pays well here, in the right company. Commissions on service tickets run 35-65% plus your hourly rate, company truck, gas card, etc. The hours for service folks are HORRID. You're on call 24/7/365. Friends of mine work this side and they take home $95-120K a year. But they're never home, that money just sits in the bank. No vacations, no outings, picnics, get togethers, nada.
  43. 2 points
    You live in Wickenburg and you need pointers? How about one that spins around in all directions? Just kidding man! Welcome! You are in the perfect place to figure this stuff out quick. Pester some of the grumpy old mossbacks on this forum about it. Half of them have been swapping spit around Wickenburg for decades. Offer to bring lunch and beer. Wear something sexy if you have to. You are bound to be on gold in no time! One pointer. You need a cool prospector name that projects a bit more confidence than your current handle. Sluicebox Sam, Muckin' Mike or some such clobber. You are going to have to change it as soon as you find gold anyway so get ahead of the curve and getcherself a suitable handle to soak a shirt in. Honestly. See ya round cheekako. Good luck and don't eat the snow worm.
  44. 2 points
    Welcome to the forum! I will give you your first pointer...research...it all starts with research, you can start with researching these forums because they have many, many, pointers all typed out for many years now and more are posted most every day, I would suggest you read as many topics as you can that seems to gain your interest in the knowledge you seek for a start
  45. 2 points
    I fully understand the question he was asking. I was just shocked by how much he made being in a skilled profession like that. I would love to live in the mountains full time chasing nuggets and gold but unfortunately i still have many bills like a mortgage and a vehicle payment. Now IF a person was retired and had a set monthly income, then yeah you could probably do it if you didn't burn through your income doing it. Just because you make 400 dollars a week doesn't mean that was enough to pay the bills and be comfortable. Thats the other thing to look at. Now if that was enough to live off of comfortably, then by all means 100 bucks in gold per day should be enough. Good luck!
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    I got that. And no doubt most tradesmen are undervalued in the private sector and sometimes grossly overvalued in certain other situations. I have been a tradesman most of my life and supervised skilled trades for the rest of it. I started out in residential construction and had a residential building company for 15 years. Then I went to heavy construction and construction management. I worked for Bechtel, Phelps Dodge, NASA, Ch2M Hill, Freeport McMoRan and also the State of New Mexico. So I know how the construction/mining industry works and the wage disparity. Everyone needs to get paid what they are worth. In my town an electrician in the private sector hires on for $12 an hour with no vacation or benefits. Ten miles to the east on a Government job they make $35 per hour with great bennies. Thirty miles to the south they can make $45 per hour. All of them live in the same community and do the same work. Ten percent of them can provide for their families and the rest live in mobile homes and rely on public assistance to take up the slack. All of them wish they were out in the desert walking around with no responsibilities no matter how much they make. I was just pointing out to Clay that his definition of "mining" and "prospecting" was completely different from what the OP as well as most of us here define it. Even if the definition is technically accurate. And that my interpretation of the post was not about the need for getting a job in the mining industry but rather experiencing life before it slips away.
  48. 2 points
    I think that is called a cliff...
  49. 2 points
    Good question, and smart to ask before you leap. Prospecting full time is not quitting your job, it's trading your current job for another one. The dirt business is hard work. I’ve met more than one millionaire who were told they would never succeed, and many times that number of people who gave up on their dreams when the road got rocky. There are wealthy people who are miserable, and people who barely eek out a living who are truly happy. Trade your expectations for appreciation and the world will change for you. We all walk our own path. Live fully, experience the things you want. Have fun, be different. Everyone screws up so sometime, friends, lovers, partners, just be ready to enjoy the process and allow the lessons to make you better. Good luck!
  50. 2 points
    If you're looking for the safe, you'll find it in the basement of the Desert Caballeros Western Museum in dowtown Wickenburg. I researched this story in the Phoenix Library a couple of years ago. The first report to the media was by "Buckey" ONeill who was then serving as the sheriff of Yavapai county. During the interview, he mentioned that the safe had been washed away and had not been found. That really excited me as it verified all of the stories I had read and heard over the years. I almost left then and there to go search for the safe since it would have been within 50 - 60 miles of where I lived---But I kept reading looking for more clues. As I scrolled through the microfilm of the 1890 Phoenix and Prescott newspapers, I found an issue dated approximately 2 weeks after the initial report where "Sheriff ONeill has arrived with the latest updates on events in Wickenburg". Included in the updates was the news that the safe had been found and recovered with the contents intact. A couple of months later, I visited Wickenburg and happened to go into the museum. While I was there, I noticed a large, ornate safe in the basement. The descriptive card with the safe indicate that it had been washed away during the flood of 1890 and later recovered. So no safe to be found, but the area of the flood is still worth searching for all the smaller items that were washed away and have yet to be recovered.
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