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    • There is not enough twist to stabilize a bullet at 1:48. A barrel like that is probably more accurate with a ball. I have seen guys shoot minnie and buffalo bullets with good accuracy though. But not what you can expect from a ball. So in your barrel I would say that a ball will probably be more accurate. With a tighter twist the sabot is probably potentially more accurate. But that depends on a lot of factors. I would guess that a saboted rifle bullet in the proper barrel would have more accuracy potential than a ball in the proper barrel.  Bullets are definitely more lethal. But.... A bullet tumbles and goes wild when it slows, drops subsonic or hits something downrange. A ball is pretty stable at any speed. And even if it is deflected it won't tumble off the center of gravity. So a ball might have some accuracy advantage at long ranges or in brush. Maybe. I know a fellow who shoots saboted bullets in a TC Hawken rifle. I think it has the original 1:48 twist. He can hit beer cans at 100 yards all day. So it is accurate enough.  If I were using a slow twist barrel I think I would try the lightest bullet available. That would probably be a 180 grain 10mm bullet. You will have to order sabots online but they are available from a couple outfits. I like Harvester. But there are others. You could really send it screaming down range and a high quality pistol bullet will generally fly straight for 100 yards or so. So I would do a little comparing and see.  You can blow a lot of money downrange experimenting with different bullets and sabots trying to find the perfect combination. The slow twist is not going to work with longer projectiles. So the shortest, lightest bullet you can find is probably the best place to start. That is just an educated guess though.  It takes a few dozen rounds loaded at various charges to know what a rifle can really do with a particular bullet/sabot combo. And there are a wide range of bullets and as many sabots. So it can be a laborious and time consuming task punching paper and comparing groups. With a little patience you will get it down to a point you can say what is best for you. That is just about the only way to tell if one is more accurate than the other. If I was shooting a primitive weapon I would stick with balls for practice. I don't think I would hunt with balls though. I would use buffalo bullets or Minnie balls and try to wring the best accuracy out of it by testing powder charges and cleaning/lubing techniques. Then hunt the critter to within my gun's limitations or pass on the shot.    
    • Just to get ya straight, Bob, you're thinking sabots best way to go accuracy wise? All my muskets have the 1:48 twist. Any experience with those? I know when T C was marketing these rifles they were selling their own version of the Minnie Ball too.
    • Hi Dave, I have been up in that area before. I recognized one of the mountains in the video. Have not found any placer gold up there yet. Lots of silver mines.  We have a friend that has a ranch there that we visit sometimes my wife goes horseback riding with them. You did well Congratulations.
    • Terry rightly questioned whether the Gold SPOT™ was really any better than a regular treasure scoop.  Well I already knew the answer to that question.  You see for a year I have been working on the Gold SPOT™ design.  I played with it I re-designed it, I proto-typed it 5 times.  I wanted a design that would speed up nugget recovery and make it easier to keep the nugget in the scoop and not lose it. Remember, I'm the guy who had a catastrophic failure with the SAGA swing arm, and within days of release I recalled them all from the field.   They just did not perform as they were supposed to.  I went back to the drawing board and sunk thousands more dollars into re-designing and perfecting the SAGA™.  I won't sell something unless I know it is a significant improvement over anything on the market. But just to show you what I already know, I decided to do a little impromptu video, an experiment.  The video is unedited, except for the very end where I panned across an invoice with a customer's address on it that was sitting on the shipping table, I clipped that out.  Watch the Gold SPOT™ in action and see what you think. Not to over-hype the Gold SPOT™ but one of the unique features of this scoop is that you can "HEAR" the gold.  I know that sounds like an outrageous claim, but let me explain.  When you get down to a small amount of dirt in a regular scoop along with a nugget and you agitate the scoop back and forth, the nugget does nothing but slide back and forth on the smooth bottom of the scoop.  When you get down to a small amount of dirt in the Gold SPOT™ along with the nugget and you agitate the scoop the nugget rattles back and forth in the trough or channel clicking against the sides of the channel.  Cool, right?  I know we are getting quite a few Gold SPOTs™ out in the field and I would like to hear some feedback.  Although if you are like me you are probably staying in out of the heat.  -Doc  
    • Hi Dakota,   Thank you... No I didnt feel any. I did not get as far up near tonopah where some of the damage occured. The roads were good as of last weekend, at least to almost goldfield. They must have repaired the roads, as there were a lot of cars, trucks, rv's ect going north. Dave.
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