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If I find a mason jar full of gold coins on federal land, do I have to leave it where I found it? How old does it have to be, to be an antique? 60 years? 100 years?

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If I found a jar of gold coins, you can bet your last dollar... I would walk away with a jar of gold coins. :inocent:

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Really? You wouldn't leave it for others to enjoy?

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9 minutes ago, ArcticDave said:

If I found a jar of gold coins, you can bet your last dollar... I would walk away with a jar of gold coins. :inocent:

No, from memory, precious metals, coins not protected

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9 minutes ago, Geo Joe said:

Really? You wouldn't leave it for others to enjoy?

I can live with that pain...:evil1:

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Well, no body goes where i go so i dont have to worry about leaving them for someone else to see. 

Just kidding. When I find stuff, I take a photo with it then I rebury it for the next person to take.

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I got to find something worth while first , then I can decide......:idunno:

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get the law and read it...something most 'crats have not done.

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Yes I searched the law but could not find anything about coins. One place says 60 years another place says 100. There was a lot of old ore milling equipment in the way on a claim in Montana, but we were not allowed to move or disturb it,  according to the ranger.

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470 kk(b) refers to coins

 

 

470bb. Definitions As used in this chapter— (1) The term "archaeological resource" means any material remains of past human life or activities which are of archaeological interest, as determined under uniform regulations promulgated pursuant to this chapter. Such regulations containing such determination shall include, but not be limited to: pottery, basketry, bottles, weapons, weapon projectiles, tools, structures or portions of structures, pit houses, rock paintings, rock carvings, intaglios, graves, human skeletal materials, or any portion or piece of any of the foregoing items. Nonfossilized and fossilized paleontological specimens, or any portion or piece thereof, shall not be considered archaeological resources, under the regulations under this paragraph, unless found in archaeological context. No item shall be treated as an archaeological resource under regulations under this paragraph unless such item is at least 100 years of age 470kk. Savings provisions (a) Mining, mineral leasing, reclamation, and other multiple uses Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to repeal, modify, or impose additional restrictions on the activities permitted under existing laws and authorities relating to mining, mineral leasing, reclamation, and other multiple uses of the public lands. (b) Private collections Nothing in this chapter applies to, or requires a permit for, the collection for private purposes of any rock, coin, bullet, or mineral which is not an archaeological resource, as determined under uniform regulations promulgated under section 470bb(1) of this title

 

470kk. Savings provisions

(a) Mining, mineral leasing, reclamation, and other multiple uses

Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to repeal, modify, or impose additional restrictions on the activities permitted under existing laws and authorities relating to mining, mineral leasing, reclamation, and other multiple uses of the public lands.

(b) Private collections

Nothing in this chapter applies to, or requires a permit for, the collection for private purposes of any rock, coin, bullet, or mineral which is not an archaeological resource, as determined under uniform regulations promulgated under section 470bb(1) of this title

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What Coins ?

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Read the first post.......

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So the way i read it, coins dont fall under the act?

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unless they are 100 years old....

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on birth/death certificate person is decedent, deceased, not from mother earth but in the artificial, fictitious corporate world. they have no authority nor jurisdiction over natives on native soil. simple

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I only keep relics when hunting private property... simple as that.

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I am not an authority on law, but I have a firm grasp on much or it.

And there is no real way to answer the Question. The Laws are National,  Federal, State, and Local.

It depends first on What country you are when you detect or make a discovery.

For example arrive in Rome with a metal detector in your baggage , And you just donated your Metal Detector! Not kidding - toughest antiquity laws in the world other than maybe Egypt.

The USSR did not like them either, Former Provence ( Kiev) had no issues with detectors and it is a fairly common hobby over there. I highly recommend it (Lots of History)

State Side, every state has their own laws, as do some Counties and Cities, For instance most of us use a knife to cut out a plug in grass so we can backfill the hole. it is polite and an environment sound  practice while in parks or yards. I know a guy arrested for having the knife on his person while detecting. Why he had it did not matter at all!

S.C, in my opinion has the clearest regulations,  purchase a yearly Hobby or Commercial  Permit and What you find is Yours as long as you fill out a simple discovery report. (at least when I lived there in the 80's}

In California it gets very confusing you are ok on private land with permission, State Game Lands Are OK but I learned not above 2000 foot elevation because game lands above 2000 feet are under (state contract) patrolled by Forest Service Police (that appears to be the only reason as we could find not a single written law legally forbidding  it. 

In CA State Parks (unless it is actually  posted Illegal or An Archaeological site) you can detect but not take artifacts (How they define artifacts depends on whom you are talking with.) how old is an artifact? The definition of that is as confusing as the root of the word Anatomy, it in Greek simply means To Cut. So how deep would one have to cut before the cut becomes an autopsy? every object that may have ever been picked up touched , used,  or made by a human may be archaeological. so we can all assume the Petroglyph is Archaeological but what about the one that says, Jim loves Marcy or T.J. 1999?

The National Seashore in California like Big Sur You can Detect but not take Gold, Rocks, Shell or minerals. So everyone Hunts For " Fishing Tackle". Jade is the exception and only at Jade Cove Though there you can not dig above the high tide mark and the use of Scuba is allowed  but can not be Used for collecting Jade ! 

Do not even get me Started on Texas and or Florida, Without a Harvard law degree you are on difficult to understand territory. 

I have detected in other states but never really spent the time to legally check the laws  ( I just smiled and rolled the Dice!) 

I  donate my good finds anyway and all ways have and that is why now I just detect on archaeological searches with permit in hand! I am in it for the hunt and the joy of it, I no longer worry about who gets what if I find it the public owns it! Gold on my Feather River claim is another story though. It cost money to maintain a claim and one is lucky enough to break even.  On the claim it is finders keepers even with guest. You find it you Keep It!

That said I am an open minded person and I both understand and support private searches, and even for profit treasure hunting - Too each is Own!

Mel Fisher was not only a friend he is one of my heroes - not because he found the Treasure but because he never gave up despite overwhelming and heart wrenching    sacrifices ! So despite the views of many whom I work with I cheered for Mel with each verdict. 

Ronald Reagan tried to simplify the laws when it comes to detecting and or surface collecting because he was an avid fan of both and Said it is as American as Apple Pie!

 

 

 

 

 

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