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  1. clay

    Bucket Dredge Pics - 1940's to 1960's

    That's the Fairplay dredge delivered by Yuba Industries to the South Park Dredging Company just southeast of Fairplay Colorado in 1941. If you have ever been there you know how large that lower dredge field became. There were several smaller dredges running upstream of Fairplay, the best known being the much smaller Snowstorm dredge which is still mostly intact and in place except for it's long missing 12 yard walking dragline.
  2. Very nicely stated Jim and very much on point. Often these public comment periods are used to vent or state a point of view. Sadly, although all comments are collated, only comments that rely on a point of law, right or administrative requirement will have the power to realign the agencies plans. Lucky for us we have perceptive and eloquent people like Jim to submit comments that hit on all three of the valid objections. I think Jim may have sent this one back to their drawing board. The same tactic shut down a similar TMP by the Forest Service in southern Arizona a few years back. Luckily the unmentioned option is always the fallback to the base option which amounts to "no change". I can go with that. Thanks again Jim, I wish there were more of you out there.
  3. clay

    Bucket Dredge Pics - 1940's to 1960's

    The dredge used in San Domingo was the Geraldine dryland dredge manufactured by Yuba Industries and delivered in 1961. She was named after the owner of United Placers Industries, the company who ordered the dredge from Yuba Industries. The Geraldine was also used on the lower LSD west of the highway after mining on the upper LSD. There is some evidence she might have been used on the Hanson placer (still being mined) and Malibu placer both just east of Hwy 60. The Geraldine was much bigger than the processing equipment shown in that picture. The picture doesn't show the actual dredge. If you have ever been on the lower LSD those 40 foot cliffs along the wash were a result of the Geraldine dredging. Obviously not something the pictured machine could have mined or processed. The Geraldine was BIG. Yuba industries is still manufacturing and rebuilding dredges when needed. Dredge 21 out of Marysville is retired now but Yuba Industries rebuilt Dredge 17 and is still actively dredging in California. About 7000 yards a day. They use it to test new mining equipment designs. I don't think there has been any point in California mining history when a dredge hasn't been operating on the major rivers since they were invented. Yuba Industries was the world leader in large dredge design and construction for nearly 100 years. The older dryland dragline dredges were moved either by powered or passive tracks. Newer dryland dredges are the "walking" design and and the "feet" are retracted while the dredge is mining. I've been trying to track down the Geraldine for years. Equipment of her size and quality doesn't just go away. I suspect a modified version of the original Geraldine is now working in White Oaks, New Mexico. The dragline/trommel they are using there looks big enough to be the Geraldine. It's hard to get a confirmation on that because private gold mining operations permitted as "sand and gravel" construction material mines aren't inclined to share their operating details with outsiders. If you have any doubt about that just try to get a statement from the Hanson "sand and gravel" operation at the mouth of San Domingo wash on Hwy 60. 😉
  4. Angel Poop Adam? Nice collection! 🔜 ↩ī¸ 🛃 What the eLL is an Emoji?? đŸ’¯ ✏ī¸ 💲 🐜 😩 đŸ‘Ŋ I had a friend who served in the pacific in WWII. He called the Japanese "those slanty eyed former enemies of mine". He had problems letting things go. đŸ‘ĩ So is this Emoji thing... 👀 ...Is this more Japanese retribution? 👞 The guy with the personal problem with Japanese is dead now but he used to be a big shot in the Scottsdale school system. 🐂 🐖 đŸŗ I think Adam might have gotten his Angel poop from my backyard stash. Is that the right Emoji? Nice! 💘
  5. clay

    Mineral Tresspass

    Thanks for the first hand info. I'm curious, what federal law was broken?
  6. clay

    Mineral Tresspass

    I think you misunderstood what you read GeoJack. There is no such crime as "Grand Larceny" in California. If a larceny (property theft) exceeds $950 in value it is the crime of Grand Theft. There are exceptions to the $950 rule but those involve fruit, vegetables, livestock, fish product, guns, autos and robbery of a person etc. Here's the California criminal laws governing theft of minerals I have found: Section 487(d) appears to be distinct from the exceptions to the $950 threshold in 487(b). From that I get that mineral grand theft is a crime punishable by imprisonment. I'm not seeing grand larceny or the concept that thefts of minerals worth less than $950 are Grand Theft. Thefts of less than $950 are a petty crime - still a crime but not big jail or fines. If you have other sources or input on California mineral law I'm eager to be educated. The California laws are complex and sometimes obscure but I've learned that if you see the law as a totality and not little snippets the meaning can be very different from what those snippets seem to imply. I may be wrong but I'd hate to see claim owners thinking that any minerals take from their claims amount to Grand Larceny. Thinking that way could lead to even more Sheriffs shaking their heads and wondering where miners get these ideas. The Sheriff should be the miners best friend but when they get called out for campers taking a few pretty rocks they tend to become inclined to treat mining claim problems as a nuisance rather than a matter of serious concern. That's just human nature. If you can prove a particular person or persons have taken valuable minerals from your claim by all means pursue a complaint and help the authorities to prosecute the thieves. Better yet is to summon the Sheriff when the thieves are still in the act. Anything less than that is really just a civil matter. A simple report of suspected criminal activity to the Sheriff at their office is enough to get a record started for your civil case and inform the Sheriff there is a problem they should be aware of. Calling the Sheriff to visit you at the site without a thief and proof in hand will just PO the Sheriff and waste their time. That could very well negatively influence the Sheriff's response the next time they get a call from a mining claim owner.
  7. clay

    Mineral Tresspass

    You need to catch them in the act with proof they possess gold from your claim and then you have to be willing to press charges. If you have less than positive identification and proof or you are unwilling to pursue charges you are just wasting the Sheriff's time. Theft is theft. Mineral trespass is indeed a civil matter. Sheriffs have a positive duty to the public to pursue known thieves. They have no duty to enforce your mineral claim rights. I'll just leave this here for the doubters. Two charged with grand theft at Foresthill site after vial of gold discovered
  8. clay

    King Tuts Knife

    I've held both daggers. The meteorite one has a quartz crystal pommel with two opposing through pins. The other dagger is all gold with some cloisonne on the handle. The blade is a peculiar gold alloy formulated to hold an edge. Better picture of the all gold dagger with it's gold sheath: The obverse of the sheath on the gold one is decorated with various animals attacking other animals. Nice stuff.
  9. clay

    14.9 Grams of Ugly

    Bill your Green Magic Cleaner has a pH between 11 - 14. Your HCl has a pH of about 3. Add them together and you neutralize both. You might as well just soak them in water. Try soaking in the Green Magic for a day or two and then throw it straight into the HCl. It probably won't remove the iron stain (I wouldn't think either one would) but it will produce some interesting smells and the thermal shock should beak some little stuff loose. If you are lucky you will get some pretty colored smoke momentarily. I'm sure the Hydroflouric will do the trick. It's really effective at breaking down the iron. Or you could use Potassium Ferrocyanide and Hydrogen Peroxide (both cheap) and turn that iron stain to Prussian Blue. More attractive and very confusing to gold buyers. Isn't chemistry fun?
  10. Tulips are the coming thing. We are gonna be rich rich rich! I'm gonna grow mine in the South Seas and double down. Wanna trade some meteorites for a beautiful acre of irrigated land in Florida?
  11. 72 pounds from the Barringer patented mining claims.
  12. It's not a Travel Management Plan it's an interagency Programmatic Agreement to help provide access to historic sites. The agreement is part of a Grant from Arizona State Parks. There are specific limitations to the agreement, probably the most important of which follows: It's confusing because it's government speak for "we ain't gonna do nuthin but soak up some of this free Grant money from the State of Arizona". In the military this would be known as a Cluster F***. Most certainly mind numbing but it is not a Travel Management Plan.
  13. clay

    Mineral id?

    Yeah it could be Hemimorphite on limonite. Are you thinking the yellow crystals on top are Wulfenite Adam? I figured the yellow could be Laumonite as it's pretty common with zeolites. It also has a crystal habit that resembles the yellow streaks in the picture. Truth be told no matter how big the picture is displayed it's not detailed enough to see crystal structure. Adam could be right I could be right. All the minerals being discussed have a white streak. I'm old school mineral guy in that I like to see crystal habitat and angles to help determine type. With phones becoming everybody's camera I can rarely see enough detail to use crystal habit and structure. Just a hint to phone and digital camera users - never use digital zoom, it makes the picture size a lot bigger but it destroys details and you gain nothing in quality.
  14. clay

    Mineral id?

    It looks like the zeolite minerals Chabazite, Analcime and possibly Mesolite. Usually found in low temperature basalts and flows. Those are all soft minerals and they look fairly weather worn but it's hard to tell exactly what's going on because of the quality of the photos.
  15. clay

    Rolling the dice!!

    She Who Must Be Obeyed No COA just a pencil signature - Not Canyon Diablo - Bermuda meteorites from eBay. You can get anything on eBay. I have meteorites signed by Thomas Jefferson too but those are signed with sharpie - very rare. All my Canyon Diablo I collected myself.