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  1. 31 points
    Despite forecasts of bad weather , boulder dash and I squeezed in a hunt last weekend. No ferrite rings, funky harness systems, GPS`s, Spot messenger`s, pin pointer`s, or guns involved. Just a traditional hunt, with interchangeable coils, and light weight old technology. High benches with cemented gravels have gold.....Boulder dash proves that here A nice 2 + grammer shown here stuck in those ancient rocks... It was a chilly weekend with a brief clear nightscape..... The goodies ! Over 22 grams of fine gold nuggets were found .... Enjoy ! Please give a thumbs up , as i`m in much need of some forum recognition
  2. 23 points
    I can't tell you how close I was to writing this target off as another bullet or surface trash. So many times after I get a strong surface signal and the target moves after the first boot swipe I write it off as trash. This is where I have to thank the guys on the forum ( You have to dig every target). I cannot tell you how excited I was when I noticed the glimpse of gold sticking out of the scoop of dirt! 22.6 gram specimen.
  3. 23 points
    Met up with Boulder dash for a 24 hour hunt. We detected at night for about 6 hours, during a very bright, near full moon. A few nuggets were recovered that night and the following day. After what seemed like miles of hiking equipment in, we dry washed a hillside looking for a source, and we are very, very close to locating it. Time ran out and it was time to get back to priorities. Heres the take .....Mine on the left and BD`s on the right. Thats 16 grams on the left and I think BD came out with 10 grams ? Heres a small area of placering that I worked on for a while.
  4. 22 points
    Just a short condensed description on how and where to find gold. I have promoted Jim Straights books for many years, "Follow the Drywashers" and others. because they are well written they are a great inexpensive alternative to not having to know a lot about geology if your new to the game of gold prospecting/detecting and not wanting to hunt everything/everywhere. or not wanting dig up a whole creek bed looking, you have other options you may not be aware of as well. Jim's books primarily focus on and teaches you about drywashing and what to look for as far as indicators of old workings (hand stacked rocks-classified piles etc.)and includes places to start looking for gold left behind by the old timers, his books are an easy way to start finding gold without having to have a masters degree in gold associated geology to understand them. I should say Jim is a personal friend of mine and has been for many years. his books helped me find a lot more gold.There is also a lot of great general prospecting info in them too. well worth the price. and Im not going to get into more details about whats in his books for obvious reasons. But I should also say based on my research and years spent in the gold fields Ive found that many of the old timers knew little about geology and missed many gold deposits. I have proved this by finding other cracks in their prospecting techniques so to speak in recent years that made them leave behind a lot of gold. Generally most of them tested (panned-drywashed) every wash they could find and most used a trial and error method in washes to sort out where to find gold and to work. I don't know about you but I don't have the time or the patience for that method anymore. and that method alone has many other mistakes they made that caused them to miss a lot of gold and I'll get into that later. OK Here are some of them. Many gold deposits in creeks,washes and rivers where ground out by flooding of the creek or river bedrock from gold bearing veins crossing them. but not all of them. much of the gold in them drained into them from many hillside placers and are the result of slower gravity erosion and not influenced by water as much as in the creeks and washes. so the same rules don't always apply to them. and yes there are a lot of rules to gold and my list is still growing but the longer the list gets the more gold I find. Many gold deposit outcrops up on hillsides Ive found haven't made it to the nearest wash,creek or river yet. many are much younger than the gold in many of the creeks and they are still in the process of eroding down a ridge, hillside etc. from quartz veins or with other gold associated geologic deposits. much of the larger gold is still stuck up on these ridges and slopes. sure in some cases the smaller gold from these outcrops may have made to a nearby wash but not enough gold for the old timers to pursue by hand working or their testing methods and were abandoned, in many cases not leaving much if any indicators the old timers even tested them. keep in mind, they didn't have metal detectors. If you using a metal detector you already have a huge edge on the old timers. In some cases the smarter prospectors noticed or they suspected where the gold was coming from because they left small test holes at the upper edge of creeks or even in the hillside nugget patches but the gold was scattered out and with larger slower moving nuggets not confined or concentrated in a wash so they abandoned these too. many patches I've found have had no test digs at all. I found them based on geology and common geologic indicators associated with gold. I have found decent gold "leavins" as I call them (gold the old timers missed)in the old timers drywash workings. "semi-virgin patches",(found and worked by the old timers but never hunted with a metal detector). But I've have to say where I've found my best "multi-pound" (many ounces) "virgin patches", (never discovered by anyone) in most cases is up out of the drainages using geology alone. just so you understand my terminology I've included some of my common terminologies. i.e. "pounded patches" etc with an explanation/definition of them. "Pounded Patches"(found by the old timers and detected to death or near death with metal detectors determined by depth and the metal detectors that have proceeded you and your detecting skills) Well I'm out of time folks so I'm going to leave you with this. I have been successfully nugget hunting for almost 40 years, and here is a general list of what has worked for me. You can start with #1 and add #2, #3,#4 and #5. #1. Hunt everything and everywhere. #2.Get private help and instruction. #3. Do research to find known gold mining areas, prospecting books included. browse the forum. #4. look for and follow the drywashers. #5. learn about geology. I recommend #2 through #5. More later as time permits. AzNuggetBob
  5. 22 points
    This weekend past, I managed to find some time for a hunt. My initial plan was to traverse the hillsides, hilltops, and slopes for a new patch. Well, I accomplished both. Found a slope with a very reddish decomposing pegmatite , and decided to hunt it. First two swings and I found the little guy in the pic ( .5 Gram) , 15 feet above that one, I get a subtle target, but defined. About 8 inches down, I unearth a black rock that`s screaming. Turns out to be a chunk ( 4 grams ) of what appears to be hematite, with a gold seam running right through it Bailed out of that spot to go hit an area I had found a few before. Wouldn`t you know it, I banged out a nice 3 gram quartz gold specimen, and and a .6 tenth piece. All this gold is about as coarse as it gets . Eluvial nuggets can be very attractive..
  6. 21 points
    Hey everyone, A buddy of mine Leo Aranza called and asked me he has a a 73 year old Japanese friend Mel who has a minelab detector, who just got it from Doc, and wanted to learn it and find some gold. I took him out to Gold Basin, made sure he was all setup and let him loose. I tell you what, when I am 73 , I hope I can climb hills and still detect like him. Leo is a very good coin/ relic hunter, that been detecting 30 years, and is just starting on gold. We all scored something. Leo ended up with over 200 grams of meteorites, Mel the older gentleman ended up getting a nice little meteorite, and a small 2 gram gold nugget. It was great to see someone get a nugget for the first time. I ended up with almost an ounce of nuggets, it was .77 ounces. and as a bonus got a 586 gram meteorite. Until next time, mucho oro for everyone....
  7. 20 points
    Its nice when they don't fit in the bottle ! EVEN when ya use a wide mouth container ! New coil NF 13x17 EVO, GPX4500, detailed "tuning" = Arizona Gold Nice 8.9 grammer rough an knarly that's the way we like em here ! Been awhile since I was out swingin. Happy St. Paddy's Day !
  8. 20 points
    Hey all... So I set out today with the intent of finding some gold with the Equinox 800 I picked up from Bill last month. I went back to the hillside patch known as "My First Dink Patch". Myself and several others have been over this ground a few times and I've really 'hit it hard' with the SDC. I figured it would be a good place to start, and also to see how the 800 handles the ground. Right off, I was finding birdshot that I missed with the SDC. The very smallest ones and they were all very old. After the third piece of lead, I started thinking it was just a matter of time until I turned up a little dink. After about an hour and a half, I got a loud 'mixed' signal right in the open part of the patch. The part that also serves as the path you walk through on the way across the hillside. The numbers were jumping all over and I didn't even have to scrape down to bedrock before the target was in the scoop. Not sure how I missed it before.... The smallest of the two was found later with the SDC, down in the bedrock, on the side of the wash after I decided to pick up an old pull tab. Pretty happy with the first 800 gold. It's a nice wiry piece and definitely one of a kind. Good Luck out there !! Luke
  9. 20 points
    ....well at least for me. I was able to sneak away the other day and I wanted to go back to an area that's been kind to me in the past. My goal was to 'connect the dots' and hopefully find my way into a hillside patch between some gullies that are gold bearing. I brought out the GPX and I put on the 11" commander because I was in prospecting mode and I feel very comfortable with it's capabilities. The ground was going to be wet, and the 11" has the right combination of depth and sensitivity to smaller gold. So after a short hike, I started up the hill. I was finding smallish trashy bits as I went along. Every now and then I got a boomer. The kind of stuff that tells you that if it's been detected, it hadn't been detected very well. Had one nice mellow signal at the base of a rock outcrop. It got exciting for a minute, but it was lead. After a few hours, I was almost at the top of the hill and I turned around and looked back and I could see all the spots I had found little nuggies with the SDC this last year or so. From that perspective, it wasn't difficult to see where I hadn't been either. So back down the hill I went. When I got down there, I was standing on a bench of sorts, and looking across to places I had found gold before. Trying to 'line up' the bedrock so as to be on the 'same ground' even though I was on the opposite side of 'normal'. Probably not even ten minutes later, I got a broken signal. Some might dismiss it as noise even. I kicked a baseball sized rock out of the way and flattened out a tuft of grass. Now it was a repeatable mellow signal. Roughly five inches down, I'm into the decaying bedrock. The dark red clay is like playdoh. After pinpointing where the target was located I used my screwdriver to carefully pry up the soft bedrock. Once it was moved, the signal sharpened up and the first nugget of the day was found. So now, I'm looking around and I start kicking things aside and making sure I can get the coil flat on the ground. I worked my way up and around a cacti-grassy-cat claw zone and when I got down the other side, about five feet away from where I found the first one, there was a large basketball sized rock sitting right on the surface. I was able to roll the rock into the gully with my foot and sure enough, there was a nice mellow repeatable signal underneath. This is the point where I wish I could go back and play with some settings, maybe try to prop my phone up somewhere for a video, call out to a friend that was nearby..... Nope. So I made a nice couple scrapes with my burro pick and cleared a flat landing pad of sorts. The signal was still there and sounded very nice. So I start to dig. Fist sized rocks are coming out of the hole and I keep checking and the target is getting louder. Eventually about ten inches down (measured by turning the coil on it's side), I'm on bedrock. The target is giving the overload sound and I'm having trouble pinpointing exactly where it is. I tried the 'cancel' trick, but not a peep. So I widened out the hole and got a better idea where it was. I was almost certain it was gold, and it was going to be 'big' so I didn't want to take the chance and damage the nugget. After another few minutes or so, I finally managed to move the nugget out of the hole. Based on it's size, I guessed at least 2 grams. It did feel a little light for it's size, but it was clearly my second largest gold find. After I got it home and cleaned up, 1.75g was the weight. It's a specimen or something like that. The minerals that are trapped in the gold look like sand particles to me. I don't know if the gold somehow wrapped around the sand, or if the sand was in a crevice and the gold filled in around it. Either way, I'll take it. Luke
  10. 18 points
    Hello All. I haven't posted in a while, but I like to wait and talk about the ones I find that have a story. This one is such a case. (If you don't like stories, just skip to the end) I was out with a friend looking for some new ground. After a little exploring, we stopped the truck and decided to do a walk-about. The objective was to explore the area for only an hour and meet back up at the truck to decide to keep exploring or move on. Basically, to see if we could find enough indicators worth our time. That was the plan anyways. So 35 minutes or so later, I am not seeing signs that other people found this area interesting (I subscribe strongly to Jim Straights Follow the Dry Washers), but there was nothing in this area. Very strange and discouraging. So now the devil is sitting on my shoulder's putting doubt in my head. There was also the fact that the washes were small but still had 3' minimum of overburden. No matter that the geology looked good. There was bloody red quartz with vuggs, iron stone, hot rocks. But for some reason I could not get motivated in an area when I didn't have proof others were interested. Alright, so on with the tale. Another 10 minutes later I'm on top of a ridge looking at the truck which is a dot in the distance. I yell out to my buddy because I wanted to leave, but he is in the zone a few hills over. In the meantime I am dreaming about a cold gatorade sitting in my truck and a box of cheap dollar store crackers that will drown out my cravings. The devil says Andyy, just walk the ridge, you'll be back in no time. (he did say Andyy by the way). But I had a plan and darn if I was going to stick to it. I had to test these washes and gullies. Down the side of the hill towards wash I go. I didn't get 15 feet down that hill when I got a screaming signal. Oh No ... it's got to be another hot rock. kick..kick..kick... still there and louder. Well shoot, I don't want waste my time digging another 22 shell! I've dug too darn many of those today. You're going to yell at me but I seriously turned away to leave it. And then I reminded myself of an earlier large find that I almost passed up and then didn't. Nope.. I am not going to leave until I know. So I knelt down and unearthed about a 1/4 oz slug of dirty hillside gold (as shown in the scoop) Well my mood changed, now. Me and my buddy scoured the area. I filled the gps grid on my GPZ and found nothing. So now I looked to the wash. Yes, it is deep but now I know there is larger gold here. That just changed the game. Down that wash I went maneuvering and kicking rocks. Sure as heck I eventually get a signal that trails off like a hot rock. I kick and it still sounds like a hot rock. I dig another 6 inches before I find that hot rock and there is another beautiful signal underneath it. A clearer sound. At about 16" I get nugget #2. Another roughly 1/4 oz. Stunned I just sat back and took a break to think about what might not have been. I came back again to this area with my other 2 friends I met on this trip. And not another piece of gold was found in these washes or the neighboring washes (not by GPZ or GPX5000). Only in the place I was at where only 15' away from that first nugget, I almost ditched my plan.
  11. 18 points
    Hey all.... So I was able to sneak out and give my 'new souped up SDC' a run today. It's hard for me to imagine that changing the batteries could make the detector work better, but it seemed to be the case. I went to two separate spots that I've been skunked the last few times. I guess there was still a few left.... Luke
  12. 18 points
    I got the specie all cleaned up and took some macro shots of it. Just experimenting with different lighting/light box and such. If anyone has tips for taking close up pics of gold, please let me know. Im using a Sony NEX3 manual F stop at 22. Just would like the close ups clearer. Or, my camera just might not be able to do it. Open them all the way up to see the detail. Im surprised how much fine gold is in this piece and its intricate patterns. It also "ohms" out all the way around, so its all through the nugget. Definitely want to get back up to this spot and do some slower hill side hunting Tks Tom 3 Hours of Christmas Music _ Traditional Instrumental Christmas Songs Playlist _ Piano & Orchestra - YouTube.htm
  13. 18 points
    Was out yesterday to a spot I found some various gold bits and decided to pull back some overburden to get down to some fresh bedrock (thanks for the inspiration Adam) and found a couple of dinks to start the day with. I got tired of all the hard work and decided to head upstream to seek out some exposed bedrock. I walked past a few spots Id detected last year (found nothing before) and spent the next couple hrs being impatient and of course not finding anything but rusty bits. I was getting tired and decided to head back to the truck and maybe go check out another local. Well, on my way back I walked over a small patch of bedrock that id detected before with no luck and just stopped. I looked at a small crack and for some reason (intuition??) said what the heck and and decided to go over it again. Instantly I got a super loud couple of targets in one coil pass. I figured id just go ahead and get that pesky junk out of the way and keep going. Probably three targets there, all inverted signals. Junk for sure....... yeah well I was shocked when under and inch of sand stuck in the crack, out pops this beauty! about 10" away was the 2x2" chunk of rusty iron that was the source of the big trashy signal. Yep, I think that kept me and whoever else went over that same bedrock from digging the signals next to it! lesson learned.... dig it all!
  14. 17 points
    Here are 17.38g of SoCal high desert natural gold nuggets I recovered recently. Many folks say that happiness is having what you want. But to me true happiness is wanting what you have...and sharing it.
  15. 17 points
    A good friend of mine John Morley Sr of Joshua Tree Ca picked up this nice specimen today in Ca. I asked his permission to share and he ok’d it. He was swinging a GPX 4800. We’ve prospected together for quite a few years now and have been up and down the wash he was in. This is such an impressive find considering the location is a club claim and has been SCOURED. I’m super happy for him and his hard work and luck. 20+ grams as it sits.
  16. 17 points
    Hey everyone... I was able to get out this morning for a great day in the desert to enjoy some good company and some awesome weather. Tom did the driving and I didn't pay much attention to where we ended up, but he seemed to know where we were and I got the feeling he'd been there a few times. We hiked like a thousand miles, and after 20 minutes or so, we were able to fire up the detectors and see who could beat the skunk first. Well I'd love to say it was me, but 10 minutes later, Tom was hollering, and he found a nice one in a shallow resting place. Now it was on... We had the whole day and I had to find at least one piece before we went home. I went up one gully and down another. Before I knew it, two hours had passed and I had circled around and was right upstream from where Tom found the first one. I knew he had gone downstream so I started heading up, back towards my backpack. Then I heard what I was looking for, the sweet mellow sound of gold. I found my nugget, 10 feet from where I put my backpack down when we first got there.... We detected for about 6 hours total and Tom scored a few more little guys like the one he found first. Maybe he'll post them up if he's not too embarrassed. Good times... Thanks to Tom for offering to drive today. Luke
  17. 17 points
    I was able to get away from the regular household duties and get some swing time for three days this weekend. I started out on Friday and headed out to a location in the central Arizona desert. It was new to me, but there were placer claims all around, so I went to check out some open land near by. About 45 minutes in, I heard the first 'good sounding' target and after removing two full "Bunk's pick magnets' worth of black sand, a nice little .12 grammer appeared. I didn't even have to dig it. Later I switched over to the SDC since I was seeing so much good looking bedrock, but that was a bad move. I should have stuck with the GPX and the 11" commander. Too much black sands. I will go back for a more thorough investigation at another time. On the way back out, I stopped by a spot I hadn't been in almost a year. I was new to the SDC then, so I wanted to give it another go. I went straight back to this little gully where I had found a couple last year and about 20 feet upstream, I got a signal. It was the 'birdshot sound'. I dig em all, since I've been fooled before. After a boot scrape and a scoop scrape, the target sound changed to the more favorable mellow tone I was hoping for. After some prying with the screwdriver, out popped a nice little specimen. I always check the hole and the pile, especially when gold has been found. Sure enough, the birdshot was in the dirt pile. Two nuggets in two different locations for .57g, the gold tour was off to a good start. Day two, I drove into another central Az location to view some of the devastation that happened earlier this summer. I spent the better part of the day with the 15x12 commander and the GPX. Found a lot of the regular trash. Had a couple rather exciting deep targets that ended up being .22 bullets. No gold for the GPX. Not to be skunked, I stopped by one of those club claims and managed 8 bits in the last two hours before I had to get going. I was in a hurry so I didn't get a pic with my 'famous dime'. So here's a picture of them on my palm. Day two tally: .62g Day three, today, I met up with a friend I hadn't seen in awhile. It was good to do some catching up and discuss what we'd learned since. Our plan was to go and check out some areas that neither of us had seen and maybe do some detecting. We ended up driving into some really beautiful forested areas, but the locations didn't seem to lend themselves to detecting for various reasons. We opted for 'plan B' and drove over to an area we are both familiar with. Long story short, I got a little one first, and then later lucked out on a hole that ended up giving 5 more. I ended the day with 7, but unfortunately, I was the only one who found gold today. No worries though, my friend has made some really nice finds in the past and everyone gets skunked from time to time. It's always better when everyone in the party gets some gold, but today for whatever reason, it wasn't meant to be. I had a great day overall with the seven weighing in at 2.15g. I ended the Arizona Gold Tour with a total of 17 detected nuggets for 3.34g. Luke
  18. 17 points
    We'll i finally got to join the 1oz+ club!! My buddy Dave and i headed to Gold Basin for a half day trip. We hit our usualy spot and split up. I headed to a wash that i found a 5.4 gram piece a couple of weeks ago. I didnt hit the whole wash, so i figured id start where i left off. A bit later, i get a nice signal by a bush in the middle of the wash. It turned out to an 8 gram specie with some dark host rock mixed in. 10 feet away in the bank of the wash i get another screeming signal. This was the flat nugget, also about 8 g. I radioed Dave to tell him the good news. The next couple of hours there was nothing except a couple of meteors. I decided to hit the bottom end of that same wash on my way back to the truck. After a bit i get a nice signal in the wash, it was the .8g flat piece. The wash had widened out, and the bedrock was deeper, so i wasnt detecting to slow wgen i got a slight sound. I thought it was just ground noise because i was running the GPZ hot at 18 sensitivity and high yield and normal ground. I did a scrape and the sound was still there. I took about 6 inches off with the pick and the sound seemed more distinct. I fugured it wasnt mineralization but rather trash because the dirt was silt, not hard pack. I kep widening and deepening the hole and when i got to over a foot it was screeming. I was figuring tin can ir something. After about 6 more digs and around 2ft deep. I get it out of the hold. I did reach bedrock so i was feeling hopeful. It turned out to be a 1.41 (OZ) nugget and a pretty one at that, with a bit of quartz. I finally joined the club. I feel like i deserve a patch or something lol. I radioed Dave to tell him the good news, and he was eccited for me. (He was already a member pf the club) a bit under 2 oz for the day. Great trip, thanks Dave! Now i can say the GPZ officially paid for itself. Chris
  19. 16 points
    The skunk is finally dead and my Gold Monster has finally proven itself! What's weird is that I had 7 pieces last night when I put them on the scale. I gently swished them around and let them soak for a bit in soapy water, and now there are 8 of them! .85g total weight, all found yesterday within a foot or so from each other (except two that were maybe 6" apart), on bedrock, within about 50' from the truck. The largest nug (top, left) has a little bit of quartz still attached to one side. Sorry about the crappy smart phone photo... I just had to share the good news. While I'm waiting for the Nikon macro lens I ordered to arrive I'll clean these nuggets up a little bit. I will try to get some decent images uploaded later this week.
  20. 16 points
    And it says "what time will you be home? I want to go nugget hunting." I think that now that she has found her 3rd nugget I have a new hunting pard Went out and cleaned some #10 and #12 shot up, but had a blast.
  21. 16 points
    I met a real nice couple out to LSD today for a lesson on a GPZ7000 and a SDC2300. Turns out they were 'students' of mine a couple years ago when I was teaching for another company. Well after a little small talk we got down to business. The SDC was simple enough as both of these folks have been detecting for awhile now ... just needed a few adjustments to technique and then on to the big gun. Biggest complaint from my 'student' was that he could hear a lot of static and not much else. Long and short about 10 minutes or so later he was easily hearing my 0.49 gram test nugget at about 12-14" in an air test. OK ... now go try the new settings an see what you can do. Checked on his wife with the SDC and helped her with a little hot rock target she was playing with. And yes the SDC does hear some hot rocks despite what some have said. Then off to check on the husband with the GPZ ... as I was walking over to him he had just completed unearthing a shiny yellow very flat nugget. He said he thought the new settings made a big difference and was pretty happy to have uncovered the nugget. And to make a long story short, low and behold, about 15 minutes later LSD coughed up another nice little chunk. Here's the picture of the two LSD nuggets. Oh ... and BTW ... these are the very last LSD nuggets ... They have all been found now!
  22. 16 points
    Reading Luke’s story yesterday about his mods to the SDC batteries and seeing the gold he found after really brought back some great SDC memories for me. I’ve read quite a few positive posts about the SDC and also an equal number of critical posts about it, both here on Bill's forum and on other forums/sites. IMHO it's an outstanding detector and I often miss having an SDC in the detector arsenal. So, I’m sharing a couple of pics of some of the dinks, ouncers, and other sizes of nuggets that I found with my SDC. I was very fortunate to be able to travel with it across the USA. Enjoy Top pic. Two nice specimens, 1.89 ounces (left) and 2.75 ounces (right). Two sub 1/10th of a gram pieces below. An assortment of nuggets that the SDC talked out of the ground from various places.
  23. 16 points
    Well it was another spectacular outing! LOTS of great food, nice days for detecting, cloudy and clear days. Gold was found I personally found some every day. Met new people and had fun catching up with old friends. There was more gold found but I was not able to get pics of everyones. Special thanks to Bill for putting these on and Kevin and another guy for dishing out the meat so everyone got plenty of the awesome brisket and pork. Thanks to Minelab Debbie for coming out and addressing the coil issue and doing a demo with the Equnox. I saw some cool wildlife and a spike or two point buck. Enjoy! Tom H.
  24. 16 points
    Hi all, took the boys out deer hunting this morning. My son chased this one during archery season in August but could only get about 80 yards from him. Then during muzzleloader season we couldn't find him. So went out this morning and found him again. Layed an awesome shot on him and he only went about 15 yards and dropped. Not huge but he's happy. Dan
  25. 16 points
    Great day out. Dad and I went back to a old area and I was able to score this little guy. Found a lot of whole bullet drop ins and when I heard this I kind of knew it wasnt a lead fragment. Gave me the sweet soft high/low. Dug it out of the bedrock and YEEEEEHAAH!!!! Yellow stuff Good Lord blessed us with some gold. It was down about 5 inches. Was using the 9x14 coiltek as I knew I was going to be doing some walking today. Really great day out today. Kind of cool, with some cloud cover. Tom H.